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pixelbaron
Mar 18, 2009



Yeah, you'll want to download that before you patch up to 4.11

Here is a working link

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VanOwen
Oct 8, 2011

Any group that controls this many fonts and is bold enough to use all these exclamation marks must be incredibly powerful! And soon, in fact this Thursday in the cafetorium, I shall become their leader!

WTF. No goons flying tonight on the appointed neck-beard flying night?

40 OZ
May 16, 2003


I've only played ww2ol, and I use aerilon trim (is this a mistake?) and have never used rudder trim. Should I be using rudder trim or aerilon trim at all, as a new player?

edit- Assuming I'm flying a 109E

40 OZ fucked around with this message at Feb 14, 2012 around 05:19

Bondematt
Jan 26, 2007



40 OZ posted:

I've only played ww2ol, and I use aerilon trim (is this a mistake?) and have never used rudder trim. Should I be using rudder trim or aerilon trim at all, as a new player?

edit- Assuming I'm flying a 109E

Rudder trim, but the 109 shouldn't have it, or aileron trim for that matter. It was trimmed on the ground for cruise.

VanOwen
Oct 8, 2011

Any group that controls this many fonts and is bold enough to use all these exclamation marks must be incredibly powerful! And soon, in fact this Thursday in the cafetorium, I shall become their leader!

40 OZ posted:

I've only played ww2ol, and I use aerilon trim (is this a mistake?) and have never used rudder trim. Should I be using rudder trim or aerilon trim at all, as a new player?

edit- Assuming I'm flying a 109E
I am mostly in the same boat. The ME109 and a lot of planes simply don't have all the nice features that you might be used to in WW2OL.

I.E. Fly some of the US planes and marvel at their trim settings for all sorts of things (rudder, aileron, tray table, etc..). Laugh at the manual landing gear that you need to crank up.

Seriously, nearly every plane really is different. You will just need to fly each plan to see what they have and what they can do...or google that poo poo. Personally, I hate the lack of trim options in the 109 but I love how she handles and the cannons. The US planes (the little I have seen) are much easier to 'manage' and fly but their MG armament is lack-luster compared to what I am used to.

Blistex
Oct 30, 2003

"When I see someone tilting my tables, I shoot the Bastard. That's my policy!"


The 109 was pretty brilliant in that is was designed from the ground up to be a rapid production aircraft. The engine mount/gear/wing spar all used a common support, the engine could be replaced in 15 minutes by an experienced ground crew, and the "fine" controlled surfaces were ground adjusted (trim tabs) Even wings could be quickly swapped if they were available. This served them very well in the factories and on the front lines.

It's sort of similar to comparing a Corvette and a Volkswagen Phaeton. They both have similar top speeds, but one (the Vette) is made to be mass produced and pretty bare bones, and the other (Phaeton) is essentially hand/custom made and has a lot more refinement, bells and whistles, and requires many more man-hours. Another thing is that Willy Messerschmitt designed and started building the 109 when his company was still pretty small, so corners had to be cut and production simplified and streamlined to make production dates and quotas, while the US fighters were designed, and built by some of the the largest companies on earth with the most advanced and spacious facilities of the day, so they could make more complex (construction wise) aircraft at a much faster rate. Hell they probable could have included heated seats, cigarette lighters, and the ability to have your navigational lights send messages in Morse code, and it wouldn't have slowed down the rate they were sending aircraft to the front at all.

40 OZ
May 16, 2003


Well, I don't really know how to word this question, but:

Given an undamaged ww2 fighter plane, that is not in combat, what is generally used more: Rudder or Aileron trim?

Pharnakes
Aug 14, 2009


Personaly I would say rudder trim becasue unless you have pedals it's a pain to be constantly applying rudder and if you don't you will sideslip and loose speed/energy.

KcDohl
Jun 18, 2004
LORK ON TEH CLORF

Ailerons and rudders are different control surfaces that accomplish different things. If your plane is yawing and you don't want it to, use rudder trim. If your plane is rolling and you don't want it to, use aileron trim. It's not a matter of what "should" be used more, you just use what you need to use.

Pharnakes
Aug 14, 2009


Well for me I find manualy "triming" aileron by holding the stick slightly to one side is whole lot easier and less tiring than trying to hold the stick slightly twisted.

Blistex
Oct 30, 2003

"When I see someone tilting my tables, I shoot the Bastard. That's my policy!"


Pharnakes posted:

Personaly I would say rudder trim becasue unless you have pedals it's a pain to be constantly applying rudder and if you don't you will sideslip and loose speed/energy.

Definitely this, and I'm sure most prop-pilots would agree. The torque that a propeller exerts is a real pain in the rear end to always be fighting, while holding a stick slightly +/- elevator control is much easier. A lot of 109 pilots used to get tired legs on longer trips because they constantly had to exert rudder pressure to counteract that torque effect.

On the other hand the average US fighter had so many adjustable trim tabs that Pappy Boyington used to perfectly trim his Corsair for level flight, loop a few strings around the stick so he could make small adjustments by "plucking it" and catch some Z's while cruising to a destination over the vast expanses of the Pacific. His wingmen used to cough or click their radios to get his attention if he started veering off course.

Bondematt
Jan 26, 2007



If you have both use both, but rudder is the main focus. Trim the rudder so the ball is in the center of the slip gauge. Use aileron trim to relieve pressure on the stick once the ball is centered.

Most of the time you will only have rudder trim, so I'm just used to holding the stick to counter the roll movement when at anything other than cruise.

If the ball is not centered you are losing energy for no gain. British planes have a tilting indicator for the slip gauge, works the same way.

Renaissance Robot
Oct 10, 2010

Everything is bad.
Nothing is good.
I never work out


KcDohl posted:

Ailerons and rudders are different control surfaces that accomplish different things. If your plane is yawing and you don't want it to, use rudder trim. If your plane is rolling and you don't want it to, use aileron trim. It's not a matter of what "should" be used more, you just use what you need to use.

The problem with phrasing it like this is that your plane never just rolls or yaws. If your rudder is not properly trimmed you will get sideslip, yes, but that in turn will cause you to roll. Very very few planes will still tend to roll with the slip gauge centred, so rudder trim is what you should focus on.

Basically, only resort to aileron trim if your slip gauge is already centred but your plane is still rolling.

VanOwen
Oct 8, 2011

Any group that controls this many fonts and is bold enough to use all these exclamation marks must be incredibly powerful! And soon, in fact this Thursday in the cafetorium, I shall become their leader!

I am having a hard time tracking down a source of decent missions for this. Does anyone have a location where they tend to find good missions?

EvilJoven
Mar 18, 2005
Welcome to Canada. Yes it smells funny, you'll get used to it.

Renaissance Robot posted:

Basically, only resort to aileron trim if your slip gauge is already centred but your plane is still rolling.

This is the correct answer, both in IL-2 and in real planes.

40 OZ
May 16, 2003


Bondematt posted:

If you have both use both, but rudder is the main focus. Trim the rudder so the ball is in the center of the slip gauge. Use aileron trim to relieve pressure on the stick once the ball is centered.

Most of the time you will only have rudder trim, so I'm just used to holding the stick to counter the roll movement when at anything other than cruise.

If the ball is not centered you are losing energy for no gain. British planes have a tilting indicator for the slip gauge, works the same way.

GOD BLESS YOU SIR THANK YOU

As I stated, I had a really hard time phrasing my question because of how little I know, but you've answered everything.

I had always wondered what the hell that little ball was;

AND how the hell do I tell visually in a game that my plane is slightly sideslipping.

Breakfast Machine
Aug 13, 2003

I certainly hope you don't hook up with Henry Moore. He's actually too big for some women to handle, though most are incredibly satisfied.

Nice thread! So shiny and new! Just a couple more months and my crazy life should slow down enough for me to get back into gaming. I miss your nerdy voices.

EvilJoven
Mar 18, 2005
Welcome to Canada. Yes it smells funny, you'll get used to it.

I'm starting to get sick of Fallout and want to get back in to planes. Look for goon poo poo going on starting mid next week.

mllaneza
Apr 28, 2007

Veteran, Bermuda Triangle Expeditionary Force, 1993-1952

40 OZ posted:

GOD BLESS YOU SIR THANK YOU

As I stated, I had a really hard time phrasing my question because of how little I know, but you've answered everything.

I had always wondered what the hell that little ball was;

AND how the hell do I tell visually in a game that my plane is slightly sideslipping.

First published in 1944, Stick and Rudder is still used to teach student pilots the art of flying.

If nothing else, the book will teach you why pulling the nose up makes the plane drop faster. This will do wonders for your landings.

EvilJoven
Mar 18, 2005
Welcome to Canada. Yes it smells funny, you'll get used to it.

IL-2 Night back on tonight at 6 PM EST until whenever I decide to stop (unless someone else takes over hosting). I'm thinking Dogfights and then I'm going to try running MDS Campaigns (this means objectives AND respawning people, it's like Christmas came early, if this works).

A Proper Uppercut
Sep 30, 2008



I was playing the poo poo out of this with you guys probably a year ago, then my computer crapped out and whatnot and I never got back in. I had gotten pretty good at hosting some cool rear end co op missions too. Though I'm drat terrible at this game. What kind of turnout are we getting, generally?

Edit: Also can I get an invite to the Steam group?

http://steamcommunity.com/id/xscumgrief

Also, when I registered on Mumble it asks for a password. What is it?

A Proper Uppercut fucked around with this message at Feb 20, 2012 around 17:29

Jazzahn
Jul 3, 2007

Did you just say awesome?

I sure do love a relaxing day of shooting down AI planes:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fFqtjaubZuI

LP97S
Apr 25, 2008


EvilJoven posted:

IL-2 Night back on tonight at 6 PM EST until whenever I decide to stop (unless someone else takes over hosting). I'm thinking Dogfights and then I'm going to try running MDS Campaigns (this means objectives AND respawning people, it's like Christmas came early, if this works).

Sorry, but a lot of us have been playing Wargames: European Escalation. Once that gets out of beta and the whirlwind of it dies down I'm sure everyone will be back in IL-2.

JerikTelorian
Jan 18, 2007

That's right. I'm DOCTOR Light. P-H-D


This may interest some of you gents; World of Warplanes Alpha applications are not going up:

http://www.rockpapershotgun.com/201...d-of-warplanes/

EvilJoven
Mar 18, 2005
Welcome to Canada. Yes it smells funny, you'll get used to it.

I applied but like hell I'm wasting my time with it until others confirm that it's at least simmy enough that you're not impeded by wanting to use a joystick over a mouse.

Gewehr 43
Aug 25, 2003

by Y Kant Ozma Post


Sturmovik!


Early Bf109


DB3? I forget this model:


And a Bf110 that's seen better days:

Enigma89
Jan 2, 2007

Ich bin ein Berliner


Bf-110 is the most underrated plane ever, that thing will gently caress up some bomber formations with light escorts.

dayman
Mar 12, 2009

Is it a yes, or...


Figured maybe you folks would get a kick out of this.

http://youtu.be/cIi9PVsTOrw

This was my first attempt at skip bombing. External view (didn't have HSFX at the time), B-24 loaded with 500lb bombs.

The bombs never impacted the surface of the water. What I did do was somehow perfectly time my drops so that each drop was right on target. One-in-a-million shot.

pixelbaron
Mar 18, 2009



I saw 'skip bombing' and was like "Where are the little ripples of the bombs skipping?!" then I read the rest of your post. Holy poo poo. Haha.

dayman
Mar 12, 2009

Is it a yes, or...


pixelbaron posted:

I saw 'skip bombing' and was like "Where are the little ripples of the bombs skipping?!" then I read the rest of your post. Holy poo poo. Haha.

I call it the PETA method, because perish the thought of a bomb bouncing off a poor defenseless dolphin/seal/whale/minnow. Just send the suckers straight in.

pixelbaron
Mar 18, 2009



Carried to their target by angels

MagnumHB
Jan 19, 2003


dayman posted:

One-in-a-million shot.
In my experience, it's actually not all that rare. At least, not from lower drop altitudes like right down on the deck.

dayman
Mar 12, 2009

Is it a yes, or...


MagnumHB posted:

In my experience, it's actually not all that rare. At least, not from lower drop altitudes like right down on the deck.

Did you happen to notice two ships going up at once? I was only aiming for the first. Sure one-in-a-million is an exaggeration and if it was just hitting the first ship I'm sure I could duplicate it without much difficulty. Two ships complicates it a good bit more.

MagnumHB
Jan 19, 2003


I suppose I didn't see that, or at least mentally process it for what it was. I thought you were just talking about hitting without skipping. I believe I once got a 2-for-1 skip bombing pass like that in a Mosquito though.

Yeoman
Nov 7, 2004


I manage to take off and occasionally land without dying. Can i get a steam invite http://steamcommunity.com/id/weave

Snapshot
Oct 21, 2004

damnit Matt get in the boat

Yeoman posted:

I manage to take off and occasionally land without dying. Can i get a steam invite http://steamcommunity.com/id/weave
I killed my pc the other week, do one of the other admins will have to add you. Look for them on irc in #il2gs

concise
Aug 31, 2004

Ain't much to do
'round here.

Snapshot posted:

I killed my pc the other week, do one of the other admins will have to add you. Look for them on irc in #il2gs

Oh no what happened dude?

EvilJoven
Mar 18, 2005
Welcome to Canada. Yes it smells funny, you'll get used to it.

Yeoman posted:

I manage to take off and occasionally land without dying. Can i get a steam invite http://steamcommunity.com/id/weave

Invite sent.

Snapshot posted:

I killed my pc the other week, do one of the other admins will have to add you. Look for them on irc in #il2gs

poo poo man, that sucks.

In other news, Lowengrin's DCG generates OK MDS missions. This means most of the content of of co-op but we get to respawn. Despite the lack of waypoints on the map if you read the briefing it'll tell you generally where you need to go and what you need to do.

LP, Ralith, mobius and I played a few missions and it was pretty cool. We ended up with some really terrible weather to fly in but now that AI can't see through clouds it's actually kinda neat.

At least when I'm playing with the guys I'll make Steam events but the best way to see what's going on is to get in IRC and/or Mumble.

Snapshot
Oct 21, 2004

damnit Matt get in the boat

concise posted:

Oh no what happened dude?
dropped in a bluray drive to burn a disc for a friend, rebooted, post hung. Removed drive, cleared CMOS, checked ram, still catatonic. Black screen, no post.

All that it means is that I'll upgrade to an i5 rig in the next few weeks.

EvilJoven: that sounds sweet. Hopefully after I get through all this bs, I'll be able to join you with working head tracking.

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concise
Aug 31, 2004

Ain't much to do
'round here.

Snapshot posted:

dropped in a bluray drive to burn a disc for a friend, rebooted, post hung. Removed drive, cleared CMOS, checked ram, still catatonic. Black screen, no post.

All that it means is that I'll upgrade to an i5 rig in the next few weeks.

EvilJoven: that sounds sweet. Hopefully after I get through all this bs, I'll be able to join you with working head tracking.

That seems really weird... Oh well, computer upgrades are fun.

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