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Yeah, you'll want to download that before you patch up to 4.11 Here is a working link
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# ? Mar 28, 2024 19:30 |
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WTF. No goons flying tonight on the appointed neck-beard flying night?
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# ? Feb 14, 2012 01:04 |
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I've only played ww2ol, and I use aerilon trim (is this a mistake?) and have never used rudder trim. Should I be using rudder trim or aerilon trim at all, as a new player? edit- Assuming I'm flying a 109E 40 OZ fucked around with this message at 06:19 on Feb 14, 2012 |
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40 OZ posted:I've only played ww2ol, and I use aerilon trim (is this a mistake?) and have never used rudder trim. Should I be using rudder trim or aerilon trim at all, as a new player? Rudder trim, but the 109 shouldn't have it, or aileron trim for that matter. It was trimmed on the ground for cruise.
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# ? Feb 14, 2012 08:27 |
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40 OZ posted:I've only played ww2ol, and I use aerilon trim (is this a mistake?) and have never used rudder trim. Should I be using rudder trim or aerilon trim at all, as a new player? I.E. Fly some of the US planes and marvel at their trim settings for all sorts of things (rudder, aileron, tray table, etc..). Laugh at the manual landing gear that you need to crank up. Seriously, nearly every plane really is different. You will just need to fly each plan to see what they have and what they can do...or google that poo poo. Personally, I hate the lack of trim options in the 109 but I love how she handles and the cannons. The US planes (the little I have seen) are much easier to 'manage' and fly but their MG armament is lack-luster compared to what I am used to.
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# ? Feb 14, 2012 15:46 |
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The 109 was pretty brilliant in that is was designed from the ground up to be a rapid production aircraft. The engine mount/gear/wing spar all used a common support, the engine could be replaced in 15 minutes by an experienced ground crew, and the "fine" controlled surfaces were ground adjusted (trim tabs) Even wings could be quickly swapped if they were available. This served them very well in the factories and on the front lines. It's sort of similar to comparing a Corvette and a Volkswagen Phaeton. They both have similar top speeds, but one (the Vette) is made to be mass produced and pretty bare bones, and the other (Phaeton) is essentially hand/custom made and has a lot more refinement, bells and whistles, and requires many more man-hours. Another thing is that Willy Messerschmitt designed and started building the 109 when his company was still pretty small, so corners had to be cut and production simplified and streamlined to make production dates and quotas, while the US fighters were designed, and built by some of the the largest companies on earth with the most advanced and spacious facilities of the day, so they could make more complex (construction wise) aircraft at a much faster rate. Hell they probable could have included heated seats, cigarette lighters, and the ability to have your navigational lights send messages in Morse code, and it wouldn't have slowed down the rate they were sending aircraft to the front at all.
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# ? Feb 15, 2012 00:23 |
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Well, I don't really know how to word this question, but: Given an undamaged ww2 fighter plane, that is not in combat, what is generally used more: Rudder or Aileron trim?
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# ? Feb 15, 2012 00:34 |
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Personaly I would say rudder trim becasue unless you have pedals it's a pain to be constantly applying rudder and if you don't you will sideslip and loose speed/energy.
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# ? Feb 15, 2012 00:51 |
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Ailerons and rudders are different control surfaces that accomplish different things. If your plane is yawing and you don't want it to, use rudder trim. If your plane is rolling and you don't want it to, use aileron trim. It's not a matter of what "should" be used more, you just use what you need to use.
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# ? Feb 15, 2012 00:54 |
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Well for me I find manualy "triming" aileron by holding the stick slightly to one side is whole lot easier and less tiring than trying to hold the stick slightly twisted.
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# ? Feb 15, 2012 01:21 |
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Pharnakes posted:Personaly I would say rudder trim becasue unless you have pedals it's a pain to be constantly applying rudder and if you don't you will sideslip and loose speed/energy. Definitely this, and I'm sure most prop-pilots would agree. The torque that a propeller exerts is a real pain in the rear end to always be fighting, while holding a stick slightly +/- elevator control is much easier. A lot of 109 pilots used to get tired legs on longer trips because they constantly had to exert rudder pressure to counteract that torque effect. On the other hand the average US fighter had so many adjustable trim tabs that Pappy Boyington used to perfectly trim his Corsair for level flight, loop a few strings around the stick so he could make small adjustments by "plucking it" and catch some Z's while cruising to a destination over the vast expanses of the Pacific. His wingmen used to cough or click their radios to get his attention if he started veering off course.
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# ? Feb 15, 2012 02:07 |
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If you have both use both, but rudder is the main focus. Trim the rudder so the ball is in the center of the slip gauge. Use aileron trim to relieve pressure on the stick once the ball is centered. Most of the time you will only have rudder trim, so I'm just used to holding the stick to counter the roll movement when at anything other than cruise. If the ball is not centered you are losing energy for no gain. British planes have a tilting indicator for the slip gauge, works the same way.
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# ? Feb 15, 2012 07:30 |
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KcDohl posted:Ailerons and rudders are different control surfaces that accomplish different things. If your plane is yawing and you don't want it to, use rudder trim. If your plane is rolling and you don't want it to, use aileron trim. It's not a matter of what "should" be used more, you just use what you need to use. The problem with phrasing it like this is that your plane never just rolls or yaws. If your rudder is not properly trimmed you will get sideslip, yes, but that in turn will cause you to roll. Very very few planes will still tend to roll with the slip gauge centred, so rudder trim is what you should focus on. Basically, only resort to aileron trim if your slip gauge is already centred but your plane is still rolling.
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# ? Feb 15, 2012 10:40 |
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I am having a hard time tracking down a source of decent missions for this. Does anyone have a location where they tend to find good missions?
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# ? Feb 15, 2012 17:27 |
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Renaissance Robot posted:Basically, only resort to aileron trim if your slip gauge is already centred but your plane is still rolling. This is the correct answer, both in IL-2 and in real planes.
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# ? Feb 16, 2012 00:04 |
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Bondematt posted:If you have both use both, but rudder is the main focus. Trim the rudder so the ball is in the center of the slip gauge. Use aileron trim to relieve pressure on the stick once the ball is centered. GOD BLESS YOU SIR THANK YOU As I stated, I had a really hard time phrasing my question because of how little I know, but you've answered everything. I had always wondered what the hell that little ball was; AND how the hell do I tell visually in a game that my plane is slightly sideslipping.
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# ? Feb 16, 2012 01:57 |
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Nice thread! So shiny and new! Just a couple more months and my crazy life should slow down enough for me to get back into gaming. I miss your nerdy voices.
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# ? Feb 17, 2012 05:35 |
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I'm starting to get sick of Fallout and want to get back in to planes. Look for goon poo poo going on starting mid next week.
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# ? Feb 17, 2012 18:54 |
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40 OZ posted:GOD BLESS YOU SIR THANK YOU First published in 1944, Stick and Rudder is still used to teach student pilots the art of flying. If nothing else, the book will teach you why pulling the nose up makes the plane drop faster. This will do wonders for your landings.
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# ? Feb 17, 2012 19:00 |
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IL-2 Night back on tonight at 6 PM EST until whenever I decide to stop (unless someone else takes over hosting). I'm thinking Dogfights and then I'm going to try running MDS Campaigns (this means objectives AND respawning people, it's like Christmas came early, if this works).
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# ? Feb 20, 2012 17:11 |
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I was playing the poo poo out of this with you guys probably a year ago, then my computer crapped out and whatnot and I never got back in. I had gotten pretty good at hosting some cool rear end co op missions too. Though I'm drat terrible at this game. What kind of turnout are we getting, generally? Edit: Also can I get an invite to the Steam group? http://steamcommunity.com/id/xscumgrief Also, when I registered on Mumble it asks for a password. What is it? A Proper Uppercut fucked around with this message at 18:29 on Feb 20, 2012 |
# ? Feb 20, 2012 18:12 |
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I sure do love a relaxing day of shooting down AI planes: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fFqtjaubZuI
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# ? Feb 21, 2012 02:55 |
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EvilJoven posted:IL-2 Night back on tonight at 6 PM EST until whenever I decide to stop (unless someone else takes over hosting). I'm thinking Dogfights and then I'm going to try running MDS Campaigns (this means objectives AND respawning people, it's like Christmas came early, if this works). Sorry, but a lot of us have been playing Wargames: European Escalation. Once that gets out of beta and the whirlwind of it dies down I'm sure everyone will be back in IL-2.
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# ? Feb 21, 2012 03:49 |
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This may interest some of you gents; World of Warplanes Alpha applications are not going up: http://www.rockpapershotgun.com/2012/02/23/alpha-dog-fight-world-of-warplanes/
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# ? Feb 23, 2012 15:08 |
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I applied but like hell I'm wasting my time with it until others confirm that it's at least simmy enough that you're not impeded by wanting to use a joystick over a mouse.
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# ? Feb 24, 2012 01:04 |
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Sturmovik! Early Bf109 DB3? I forget this model: And a Bf110 that's seen better days:
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# ? Feb 29, 2012 11:28 |
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Bf-110 is the most underrated plane ever, that thing will gently caress up some bomber formations with light escorts.
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# ? Feb 29, 2012 12:21 |
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Figured maybe you folks would get a kick out of this. http://youtu.be/cIi9PVsTOrw This was my first attempt at skip bombing. External view (didn't have HSFX at the time), B-24 loaded with 500lb bombs. The bombs never impacted the surface of the water. What I did do was somehow perfectly time my drops so that each drop was right on target. One-in-a-million shot.
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# ? Mar 8, 2012 19:51 |
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I saw 'skip bombing' and was like "Where are the little ripples of the bombs skipping?!" then I read the rest of your post. Holy poo poo. Haha.
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# ? Mar 8, 2012 19:55 |
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pixelbaron posted:I saw 'skip bombing' and was like "Where are the little ripples of the bombs skipping?!" then I read the rest of your post. Holy poo poo. Haha. I call it the PETA method, because perish the thought of a bomb bouncing off a poor defenseless dolphin/seal/whale/minnow. Just send the suckers straight in.
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# ? Mar 8, 2012 20:09 |
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Carried to their target by angels
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# ? Mar 8, 2012 20:10 |
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dayman posted:One-in-a-million shot.
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# ? Mar 8, 2012 21:37 |
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MagnumHB posted:In my experience, it's actually not all that rare. At least, not from lower drop altitudes like right down on the deck. Did you happen to notice two ships going up at once? I was only aiming for the first. Sure one-in-a-million is an exaggeration and if it was just hitting the first ship I'm sure I could duplicate it without much difficulty. Two ships complicates it a good bit more.
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# ? Mar 8, 2012 21:43 |
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I suppose I didn't see that, or at least mentally process it for what it was. I thought you were just talking about hitting without skipping. I believe I once got a 2-for-1 skip bombing pass like that in a Mosquito though.
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# ? Mar 9, 2012 13:14 |
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I manage to take off and occasionally land without dying. Can i get a steam invite http://steamcommunity.com/id/weave
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# ? Mar 10, 2012 00:02 |
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Yeoman posted:I manage to take off and occasionally land without dying. Can i get a steam invite http://steamcommunity.com/id/weave
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# ? Mar 10, 2012 03:39 |
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Snapshot posted:I killed my pc the other week, do one of the other admins will have to add you. Look for them on irc in #il2gs Oh no what happened dude?
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# ? Mar 10, 2012 04:16 |
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Yeoman posted:I manage to take off and occasionally land without dying. Can i get a steam invite http://steamcommunity.com/id/weave Invite sent. Snapshot posted:I killed my pc the other week, do one of the other admins will have to add you. Look for them on irc in #il2gs poo poo man, that sucks. In other news, Lowengrin's DCG generates OK MDS missions. This means most of the content of of co-op but we get to respawn. Despite the lack of waypoints on the map if you read the briefing it'll tell you generally where you need to go and what you need to do. LP, Ralith, mobius and I played a few missions and it was pretty cool. We ended up with some really terrible weather to fly in but now that AI can't see through clouds it's actually kinda neat. At least when I'm playing with the guys I'll make Steam events but the best way to see what's going on is to get in IRC and/or Mumble.
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# ? Mar 10, 2012 05:57 |
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concise posted:Oh no what happened dude? All that it means is that I'll upgrade to an i5 rig in the next few weeks. EvilJoven: that sounds sweet. Hopefully after I get through all this bs, I'll be able to join you with working head tracking.
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# ? Mar 10, 2012 15:48 |
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Snapshot posted:dropped in a bluray drive to burn a disc for a friend, rebooted, post hung. Removed drive, cleared CMOS, checked ram, still catatonic. Black screen, no post. That seems really weird... Oh well, computer upgrades are fun.
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