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BotchedLobotomy posted:Thanks for the links, stuff like that really helps out. Last time I camped was well over a decade ago, and I think people always bring *too* much than too little. State and National parks will have campgrounds with services, if you want to go more posh than that a KOA will have showers, laundry, wi-fi, snacks, etc. Tents are the hardest thing to pack on a bike since many of them don't have poles which fit well into a pannier. Big Agnes tents tent to have poles with a shorter minimum length, I've also had some good luck with older North Face Designs like the Slick Rock. Deal sites like departmentofgoods.com, steepandcheap.com etc are great places to find cheap gear. REI Garage Sales where they sell returned items are also good spots to score cheap, high quality stuff. A down filled sleeping bag is great and will save you LOADS of space. Some of them get down to the size of softballs but most are in the half-loaf of bread size. For a sleeping pad look at Big Agnes air core line, they're about the size of a can of soda. There are a lot of fancy backpacking stoves out there, however most of the time you just need to boil water/make coffee, etc since restaurants are usually not all that far away for proper meals. The esbit stove is 11 bucks and is stone axe simple. You get one heat setting (fire) but you can blow on the cubes to put them out if needed. 1 cube boils about 3-4 cups of water. Wrap it in aluminium foil for a windbreak. Also if you suck at lighting fires you can use a fuel cube for a fire starter. Bring a book/journal, light, tent, sleeping bag, sleeping pad, cookpot, and eating utensil. Socal has a lot of cool camping especially if you like the desert. You could head out to the mojave and live out your fallout new vegas fantasies. Visit the valley of fire north of Las Vegas. Camp out by the black (actually white) mailbox near Area 51 off the ET Highway near Rachel NV. Visit Death Valley and camp there, check out the Salt Flats, Scotty's castle, etc. Or ride into Mexico and head toward San Felipe and camp on the beach at Gonzaga Bay. If you want trees there's some strange ones in Joshua Tree National Park, or head north into Sequoia national forest. State parks litter Highway 1, just take your pick.
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orthod0ks posted:I've been out a couple times, though never alone. Last year we camped in the Monongahela with 8 of us. We had a chase car, but I'm all about getting what I need on my bike. We sort of go all out, so last year we packed a cooler of meat, but we may not have the luxury of a car this year. We'll probably buy our food locally. We do prefer to cook over the campfire than eat at restaurants, but we do it right. Last year we had filet mignon one night. You can cook just about anything with a cast iron pan and a campfire. The Marmot Always Summer is only rated to 45 but if you wore a sweater/fleece pants while sleeping you may be ok down to the mid 30s. Thing packs down to about the size of a softball. http://www.departmentofgoods.com/marmot-always-summer-sleeping-bag-45-degree-down-mar1624
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SaNChEzZ posted:I've always been told (and tried with success) that the less you wear in a sleeping bag, the better it works. This is true if you're within the temperature range for the bag, but you can extend the range of the bag with lose additional layers. You can also opt for a sleeping bag liner for colder nights as well. If you're already within the temp range of a bag it's better to wear lighter layers or none at all.
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nsaP posted:Has anyone been anal enough to make a list of their gear? I've been compiling what I think I'll need based on everything I've been reading and my own plans, but to see what other people here take would help as well. Here's a list of all the stuff we packed for a year of living off the bike: http://advrider.com/forums/showpost.php?p=14612199&postcount=79 For just camping for a weekend or a week I bring: Either 2 Person TNF Slickrock bicycle touring tent or if 2up 3 Person Black Diamond Skylight Tent - The TNF tent goes up in less than a minute which is great when setting up in the rain, while the BD tent is huge for it's packed space it's a bitch to put up but it holds 2 people plus gear. REI Sub Kilo down 30 degree Bag Big Agnes Air Core Pad 2 L Cook Pot and Esbit stove or Jetboil GCS, if I'm planning on cooking fancy food or if group camping I'll bring my Coleman Xponet 2 burner Black Diamond Spot Headlamp Tindersticks - Sawed down firelogs about the size of a pen Book or Journal I try to keep all of my camping gear and tools in one 35L luggage case so the other can be used for clothes, spare set of shoes, souvenirs, and food. Tank bag holds bad weather gear, charging equipment and chain cleaning stuff. A top case on the back carries camera gear and other electronics if I opted to bring them. I pick up water at gas stations along with salt/pepper (although I often bring cayenne and lemon pepper from home), forks, and other consumibles. PlasticSun fucked around with this message at 17:10 on Feb 16, 2012 |
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BotchedLobotomy posted:I'm hoping to go camping with a friend (and goon here) next month and we're getting close to having everything ready. Last on the list I am not 100% yet on choices is the sleeping bag. I want to start with something cheap first since I'm not 100% if this is for me and 2nd I live in California so it rarely drops into the super cold temps so a lightweight cheap bag isn't a horrible option. Here's my thought: For 20 bucks more this tent packs a bit smaller and will have a full-coverage fly (more waterproof in a longer strom), and provides a vestibule for wet gear/shoes/cooking. The only downside to this tent is that you would have a harder time setting it up if the ground is really hard since it's not self-standing. http://www.rei.com/product/833639/mountain-hardwear-lightpath-2-tent-2010-closeout If you want to stick with self-standing and also want to stay under $100 these tents also provide a full coverage fly but won't pack quite as small. http://www.amazon.com/Kelty-Zenith-2-Person-Tent/dp/B004GEOWXM http://www.amazon.com/Eureka-Apex-2XT-Tent-sleeps/dp/B0043HM5M2/ref=pd_sim_sbs_sg_1 PlasticSun fucked around with this message at 22:57 on Feb 28, 2012 |
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orthod0ks posted:Awesome, thanks. I still intend to pick up a down sleeping bag when I find a reasonably priced rectangular one, but the old one will do in the mean time. Big Agnes has bags which are not rectangular but shaped in such a way that they allow a good sized person to move around freely. I've never slept in a rectangular sleeping bag that I thought was any good but part of me still really wants to get a King Soloman: http://www.google.com/products/cata...ved=0CGoQ8wIwAA I also second the idea of getting a bag that's higher rated than what you need. One of the main issues with cheaper bags is that the temp rating is a flat out lie. I've owned a Kelty 15F synthetic that I used regularly in 20-30F temps and even with a nalgene heater I was miserable counting down each minute till dawn. On the other side I've used a Marmot 0F Coulier bag in -15F temps regularly and used it to sleep in the snow and been sung as a bug. I've also owned TNF bags, LaFuma bags and REI bags and used Mtn Hardware, Big Agnes, coleman, slumberjack, and Alps Mountaineering. I'm a warm sleeper, in colorado I still keep a leg outside of the comforter when sleeping in the house and my hands and feet rarely get cold unless I'm standing still for a long rear end time or building an igloo. In my experience the following manufacturers can be trusted with their temp ratings: Marmot Mountain Hardware - although these tend to be cut very strangely for me Big Agnes - provided you put a sleeping pad in the rear sleeve pocket These brands tend to go 5-10 degrees optimistic: REI The North Face LaFuma These brands are a crap shoot some are ok but most are close to 20 degrees optimistic Kelty Slumberjack Alps Mountaineering Coleman If you want to save money and don't mind strapping something resembling an office water cooler bottle on the back of your bike the military sleeping bag system is pretty drat warm. Buddies have igloo camped with me and been just fine in it. You also get 3 sleeping bags which zip into each other for varying degrees of warmth. They're all synthetic and do not pack small at all but it's an option if you don't mind the pack size/weight. On the plus side if you're not claustrophobic and you enjoy breathmints you can use the outer bivy layer as a coffin-like tent. Online they're about 150 for set but local army surplus stores can have them as low as 75. http://www.armysurplusworld.com/product.asp?productID=7252&gclid=CPjf1pXxw64CFQ1jhwodvFypVw While the packed size for a down bag looks small on the spec sheet of a website keep in mind that most down bags can be packed 2-3" smaller than the stuff sack would normally allow. Down is amazingly compressible, while down alternatives or other synthetic fills won't get much smaller than the stuff sack without the aid of a vacum pump.
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orthod0ks posted:That's a good price. I'm in PA, just looking for a 3 season bag, so something rated around 30f. I was aiming for a down bag for compact-ability on the bike. Here's some down bags for an extra 40 bucks (REI is going to charge you tax most likely) http://www.departmentofgoods.com/lafuma-warmn-light-800ld-sleeping-bag-30-degree-down-womens We used LaFuma bags for our year long trip and they held up great, solid zippers and strong shells. Or for an extra 60ish bucks a Marmot: http://www.departmentofgoods.com/marmot-angel-fire-sleeping-bag-25-degree-down-womens-mar1133 ( I think this is a steal as it's rated for 15F for men, and I paid close to 300 for a discounted 0F Marmot bag). If you only have 60 bucks to spend on a bag I'd grab this one instead: http://www.departmentofgoods.com/the-north-face-aleutian-bx-sleeping-bag-20-degree-heatshield?cmp_id=&rrType=ClickCP&rrProd=TNF3899 Also bags made for girls tend to be slightly overstuff since most women are cold sleepers. If the bag is too small Department of Goods has an excellent return policy. The only reason I could see getting a rectangular bag is if you're a land whale and won't physically fit into a mummy bag. PlasticSun fucked around with this message at 20:31 on Feb 29, 2012 |
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MotoMind posted:I used a large 15F synthetic Big Agnes bag on a wide pad and it was freezing at 40F. Being a skinny guy, I could never manage to heat the areas sagging down to the left and right of the pad. Brrr. It's like wearing baggy clothes. From your pictures I think you and I are pretty slender, lots of the Big Agnes bags are cut pretty roomy but if they're sealed up I've found them to be very warm. If heat can escape though any bag is going to be a let down. On the plus side most bags have 2 way zips so if you do have a 0F oven and it's only getting down 30 at night you can unzip the lower half or roll the draft tube back to adjust the temp. I've camped with some XXL sized friends who swear by the Big Agnes bags and claimed they were completely comfortable at night when the temps were in the teens in a 20F rated bag but as always YMMV.
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BotchedLobotomy posted:The latter sounds more fun but the last thing i need is to get hostel-ed by some whacko in the forest haha. Unless you're hopping a fence to setup camp this simply is extremely unlikely to happen. Even then most people are normal and rational and if you're on their private property they may just ask you to leave. If you want/need to stealth camp, setup at dusk and leave at dawn. When I plan a trip I try to string together as many national parks, state parks, national monuments etc as I can, If you're on the part of the map that's green odds are you can camp there, either in a designated campground or wild camping. Most national parks do not allow wild camping just off the road, the notable exceptions are Death Valley (and only off certain roads), The Maze district of Canyonlands, and a handful in Alaska. National Park campgrounds tend to be pricey, but offer good services. I've almost never gone wrong asking a local gas station attendent or local bike (moto or pedal) shop where some good local camping is. Some of them have led me to really spectacular places like the state park just outside of Fort Ross off Hwy 1 or Taylor Park in the heart of the rockies. Loads of state parks allow camping, national grasslands and national forests are cool with people camping off the road but it's always nice to find a quieter road than a US highway to camp off of. AAA maps are covered in little tent icons that indicate a AAA approved campsite, if you're a member these maps are also free. The regional forums on ADV have loads of great local advice, just plan your route get a rough idea of where you want to be at the end of the day and either ask in advance or ask a local. PlasticSun fucked around with this message at 21:17 on Feb 29, 2012 |
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Korwen posted:I'm in Central Texas, but I was considering taking a week or so off and riding up to CO to do some camping probably mid to late spring if there's any interest in organizing something there. Definitely, I'm out of town from Mid April til early May but otherwise I'm game. BTW the paved passes around here start to clear (lose sand) in mid-may. Anytime after Memorial day is usually pretty clear save for a few in SW CO, just about all of the dirt passes are open by early July save for Perl Pass which remains closed sometimes till August. PlasticSun fucked around with this message at 17:46 on Mar 1, 2012 |
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So here's a thought: I was planning on renting out the Addie S cabin in SW Colorado for 4-5 days in mid-July. Why Mid-July? All the passes are open and the area around there is unparalled in terms of dual sport and road riding. http://www.skihuts.com/Pages/Addie%20S.html The cabin is located here: http://maps.google.com/maps/ms?msid...659da07b541c29e If there's enough interest we could arrange a bit of a goon meet with cabin accommodations (kitchen, grill, multiple bathrooms, etc) and peel off for a night if people wanted to get their camp on. Clear lake is a fantastic spot for those with the ground clearance to get there: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=KXFzPjw9pQs (skip to about 7:23 for the money shot) There are no services (aside from water) at Clear lake, if you want to poop you're digging a hole, but the setting is completely worth it. Other notable attractions include: Lake Como at the top of Hurricane Pass:  California Pass:  Engineer Pass:  Red Mountain Pass:  Lizard Head Pass:  Ophir Pass:  For those on DRZs and WRs the redoubtable Black Bear Pass is also in the area:  For those looking to come out earlier in the spring the area around the Sangre de Christo Mountains is also fantastic. There's the great sand dunes, some really nice riding around Westcliffe, and a cool hippie town of Crestone with buddist stupas and natural hot springs. The Taylor Park area is also great for some light dual sport riding but most the dirt passes will remain closed until early July. Trail Ridge Road and Mt. Evans both try and open up on Memorial day. Both are fully paved, Trail ridge will take you about 40 miles all the way above 10,000 feet with some spectacular views. Mt. Evans will climb up to 14,000' and is the highest paved road in North America. Both have loads of tourists but the views are worth it. Mt. Evans on Memorial Day: 
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Man_of_Teflon posted:Annnnd now I'm sad that I'm in Illinois. Only 600 miles from paradise!
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Korwen posted:I'm game for that PlasticSun, just get some dates and I'll request the PTO. It'll probably be a 2 day/1 night ride for me to get there, so I'll have to account for that on either end. Sounds good, shoot me a PM when you've got your dates. Yesterday, I just found out I may be guiding a through-hike of Rocky Mountain National Park from the 20-27th of July but otherwise mid-June through July is pretty open for me.
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I haven't used this but it's cheap and a descent R value. It may be too small for your needs though. http://www.departmentofgoods.com/pacific-outdoor-equipment-peak-oyl-mountain-sleeping-pad If you can afford it go with the exped, I like my Air Core since it packs so small but it can be a pain to blow up. PlasticSun fucked around with this message at 18:31 on Apr 3, 2012 |
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nsaP posted:I'm pretty tall so that's an issue, I think that pad is like 3 1/2 feet. I'm not touring so time spent really isn't an issue. The most I'm planning now is weekend camping, and often I'll have cars with me. Steep and cheap has been running through Stoic Vamp 15F and Vamp 30F lately. For 100 bucks you get a down bag with a good temp rating. I picked up a Vamp 15 yesterday to replace a bag that got stolen on our last trip. Stoic bags generally have more shoulder/hip room than many other manufacturers. Edit: If you don't mind strapping stuff to the outside of your luggage the Z-lite is cheap, and comfortable. Some people with sensitive skin get Therma-pox since you're on an egg-crate shaped foam pad but you never have to worry about puncturing it. This makes it good for a camp seat, knee pad etc. It accordion folds so there's no time spent rolling/strapping/stuffing in the morning. http://www.amazon.com/Therm-Rest-Z-Lite-Sleeping-Regular/dp/B00453NA1E That and a Vamp would set you back ~140-150 together and would be pretty comfortable. More Edits: Here's a link to the Vamp but you can knock an extra 10 bucks or so off the price if you find it on SAC: http://www.backcountry.com/stoic-vamp-30-sleeping-bag-30-degree-down PlasticSun fucked around with this message at 20:08 on Apr 3, 2012 |
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Looks like a good stack. I also used a nylon strap for a while to hold everything down, with the right technique it's way more secure than traditional bungees. It just sucks when you need to pull one thing off and put it back on again. If you can find a deal on them RokStraps are just if not more secure and can be engaged and disengaged in seconds but if you're not in a rush nylon straps are the way to go. Over the course of a long trip all of the constant motion will stretch out the bungees rendering then next to useless.
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_Dav posted:Is it painfully stupid to try camping without tents? Uncle and I decided to do the 'proper' travelling experience and avoid hotels if at all possible. We've got airbed/sleeping bag things, and he reckons we'll get away with just that as 'it's summer'. I'm struggling to convince myself that it won't rain at all, and that the temperature at night will be ok in a sleeping bag. We're going to go for a hotel once we hit the alps though. Most of the pop up tents are still pretty big packed down (they usually pack down into a big circle). If you want to go as light (or cheap) as possible look for a single trekking pole or extendable ski pole, many outdoor shops will offer them at stupid low prices if you just want 1 or don't care about a matching set. If you plant 1 or two of those into the ground you can throw a tent over them and stake or weight down the tarp. It's a pain in the rear end to get in and out of this setup and you're still sleeping on the ground vs a tent floor but it's a fairly cheap solution to keep the rain off of you. If you were camping in deserts I'd say you don't really need a tent other than to keep dust, and sand out of your gear, I have no idea what weather is like in europe in the summer but I'd imagine they get rain. If you're not claustrophobic you can get a bivy sack which is a waterproof shell that goes over your sleeping bag so if it does open up at night you not soaked.
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axia posted:I'd like to "try out" some dual-sport camping. Do you have any suggestions near Denver that are maybe easier to get to? Also, maybe where you don't need to ride on i70? Well there's a few options that are "close" to Denver. My main suggestion would be Four Mile Recreation Area. It's down by Buena Vista about 2 - 2 1/2 hours south of Denver. No I-70 required. It's a big public recreation park with loads of 4x4 trails of every difficulty and lots of fast hard gravel in the south park valley.  There's plenty of established camping spots out there, I've marked one on this map. https://maps.google.com/maps?saddr=...sz=12&via=1&z=9 Elkhorn road is a nice bypass of 285 that's all hard packed dirt that goes through open valleys.  An alternative to this that's closer but likely to be more crowded is the South Platte River / Lost Creek Wilderness. Also dosen't require any I-70. You head down towards Sedalia and then over Rampart Range, take the dirt bypass to the south platte river canyon. The river canyon road is paved with nice corners and there's camping along the river although spots fill up fast. The road dead ends in Deckers but you can take CO-67 a short ways and hop back onto the dirt at the entrance to Cheeseman Resivour. This route has a long hard packed dirt road with some washboard that moves through a large burn area (Hayman Fire). There's some good camping along or off the road here or you can stay on the road all the way to the Terryall Resivour and camp around there. https://maps.google.com/maps?saddr=...t=v&mra=ps&z=10 Lost Creek 
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If anyone's looking for a tent I've got an MSR Zoid 1.5 that I don't think I need anymore, I could part with it for $40 plus shipping (it's about the size of a loaf of bread). If there's interest I can post some pics etc. It's used and the main pole has been repaired a few times but for a 1 man tent it's pretty great. http://www.backpackinglight.com/cgi-bin/backpackinglight/msr_zoid_1_5_gg.html
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Belflek posted:Has anyone tried out http://www.dualsportmaps.com/? The kermit chair doesn't pack down small (about 22" long), is heavy and is kind of a pain IMO, if you really want a chair I'm a fan of these: http://www.backcountry.com/byer-of-maine-the-trilite-folding-stool It's the size of a collapsed umbrella and and just right for for most chair needs. Not the best for long hours lounging but great for just chilling around a fire or eating off the ground. Also 1/4 the price of a Kermit. Not built for big people though, if you're much over 220lbs get something sturdier. These aren't bad either if you just want some padding but I prefer the stool.
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DJCobol posted:Its not really camping I guess, but I could use some pointers on a summer bike trip I've been day-dreaming about. If you don't feel you can spend more time in CO I suggest you revise your route this way: https://maps.google.com/maps?saddr=...s&via=3&t=m&z=6 Come in on US 50, it's much more interesting than 70, CO Springs is alright but check out Garden of the Gods and Pike's Peak. Mt. Evans is also a nice ride up to 14,000 feet. Buena Vista has some hot springs around it and hotels and makes for a nice bit of being closer to the mountains than Denver. If you do plan to stay in Denver drop me a line and we can grab a beer or you can crash at our place. Edit: We don't get snow until October but September can get cold quickly. Rain is more common in August than June. I'd suggest a Memorial Day trip or sometime in early June. While it's true that 500+ miles can take all day if you're not used to it,if you already enjoy driving long distances riding long distances isn't bad at all. I really enjoy 500-700 mile days when the roads are empty and fast, sure it's loads of fun to wander around great twisty roads and just enjoy them but there's a great feeling of accomplishment when you're storming across the map. I don't think your schedule is overly ambitious and I know in the past I've done longer miles in less time and still felt great about it. If it's what works for your schedule go for it. PlasticSun fucked around with this message at 14:05 on Feb 27, 2013 |
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needknees posted:Can someone recommend a decent mid weight down sleeping bag and good ground pad that pack pretty small? Like normal I'm waiting till the last minute to get things ready for my trip to Colorado coming up in 2 weeks... Here's a Lafuma for about 180 it's 600 fill and I have another lafuma bag that's very similar to it, nice material doesn't leak down, and has taken loads of abuse, packs down to about a softball and a half. http://www.backcountry.com/lafuma-lightway-35-sleeping-bag-35-degree-down This Stoic has a much finer down, so it will compress further and have more loft when expanded. Higher loft bags like this will take a little more effort to shove into spaces but they will pack down nice and small. http://www.backcountry.com/stoic-somnus-sz-30-sleeping-bag-30-degree-down?skuId=SIC0302-CHA-REG Of the two I'd likely opt for the stoic, or if you're a warm sleeeper and packability is your main concern grab a Marmot Always Summer or Atom. http://www.backcountry.com/marmot-always-summer-sleeping-bag-45-degree-down When you pack the sleeping bag just stuff in in wherever you're putting it don't put it in the stuff sack as those actually eat up a fair bit of space. 550, and the loop going from Ouray to Durango to Lizard Head Pass is great. There's nice camping at Mancos State Park (near Mancos) and Mancos itself is a nice chill town with a good steakhouse and natural foods grocery store. Cool cafe south of the 160 highway junction as well. The ride through Mesa Verde National Park is great with big elevation changes and cool mesa riding. Silver Dollar Road is an easy dirt road through aspens and low valleys http://www.unpavedroadslesstraveled.com/2010/10/last-dollar-road-near-telluride.html If you're running 90/10 tires and feel confident Cinnamon Pass is really pretty easy if it's dry and a great route from Silverton to Lake City. If nothing else head up to Animus Forks near silverton, it's a gravel road but minivans don't have any trouble with it. If you find the going hard turn around you're likely on the wrong road. The switchbacks up to Bridal Veil Falls near Telluride are cool and fun, also gravel. On your way there camping along Blue Mesa Lake is fun or take the right hand turn for an easy dirt road up through aspens to Rainbow Lake for more remote camping but great stars. Old Monarch Pass and Marshall Pass are also easy graded gravel roads that make for fun and different mountain crossings, but paved Monarch pass has great pavement and loads of fun if there's not much traffic. Expect a thunderstorm everyday at 3pm. Here's a fun way to go from Denver to 550 with pavement and easy gravel mixed in: https://maps.google.com/maps?saddr=...a=1,2,3&t=m&z=9
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