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This man isn't the captain anymore and will have a cry to the tabloids These men will make the England dressing room hostile to the manager in 'protest'   These men won't go to the Euros but should    These men shouldn't be going but will    Post all your fantastic England National team ideas here
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| # ? Feb 5, 2012 07:20 |
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| # ? May 23, 2013 11:48 |
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I phoned into Sky with my opinions, as a true student of the game, on who should be picked: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=BCmhlCeo8zM
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| # ? Feb 5, 2012 07:32 |
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Bias aside I don't think Gerrard or (Lampard) has ever been a bad influence in the England side.
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| # ? Feb 5, 2012 07:39 |
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Ewar Woowar posted:Bias aside I don't think Gerrard or (Lampard) has ever been a bad influence in the England side. aside form their constant insistence on being picked, surely.
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| # ? Feb 5, 2012 08:36 |
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Eau de MacGowan posted:aside form their constant insistence on being picked, surely. To be honest I'm pretty sure every player wants to play every game. It's the manager's job to tell them to sit down, shut up, and wait their turn like everyone else. That's where you get the problems: either with players who cause trouble when this happens, or with managers who aren't willing to do this, or with an FA that would rather fire the manager than back him when they run into this issue.
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| # ? Feb 5, 2012 08:46 |
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For a while I thought England's disastrous World Cup and the more experimental line-ups successfully tried since then meant that we wouldn't go to Euro 2012 starting Lampard, Gerrard and Terry. Looks like I was wrong though, which is good as trying the same thing over and over again and expecting a different result has been the hallmark of many successful campaigns.
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| # ? Feb 5, 2012 09:12 |
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All I know is that EMNT is not Germany because Germany wins games and are fun to watch.
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| # ? Feb 5, 2012 09:51 |
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A team of nPower Championship cloggers + Rooney, Hart and Parker (c) would beat whoever Capello actually picks.
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| # ? Feb 5, 2012 10:20 |
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Richards needs to be at the top of the list of players who won't be going to the Euros but should.
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| # ? Feb 5, 2012 11:23 |
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But you see he's not very good defensively while Glen Johnson,
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| # ? Feb 5, 2012 11:54 |
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Jollzwhin posted:Richards needs to be at the top of the list of players who won't be going to the Euros but should. Richards might go. Sinclair, Vaughan and Shawcross will never go ever but probably should.
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| # ? Feb 5, 2012 11:58 |
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Why do you think Vaughan should go? I love the guy but he's barely played all season because of injuries. If any Norwich players should go it should be Ruddy as 2nd or 3rd choice keeper (because really, who else is there?), and while I don't think Pilkington should actually go, he's definitely done more this season to warrant a place than Oxlade Chamberlain. Edit: How the gently caress did I forget Holt, he shouldn't just be going, he should be captain Blue Screen Error fucked around with this message at Feb 5, 2012 around 12:12 |
| # ? Feb 5, 2012 12:09 |
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Re: my post in the other thread, Shawcross is a good call actually. He's a better choice to replace Terry than most of the others, but he's going to be kind of stuck. He's not going to the Euros without a senior cap to his name, and he missed his chance to get a cap before the Ramsey incident because Terry avoided getting injured (whereas Cahill was in good form at a time when Ferdinand was out which gave him a chance). If Terry retires from international football then I think Shawcross will get his chance afterwards and hopefully be established by the 2014 qualifiers.
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| # ? Feb 5, 2012 12:19 |
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Blue Screen Error posted:Why do you think Vaughan should go? I love the guy but he's barely played all season because of injuries. I really can't think why Holt wouldn't be going. I was trying to think who your wingers were but was drawing a blank and thought they weren't English anyway. The wingers I would think would be picked are Lennon, Young and Walcott. Walcott obviously does not deserve it but he will go because he plays for arsenal and has gone before. Sinclair, Pilington, Etherington and Pennant all have good should but I doubt any will get a chance in lieu of Downing and Henderson due to not playing for a big club.
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| # ? Feb 5, 2012 12:19 |
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Hopefully Adam Johnson goes
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| # ? Feb 5, 2012 12:24 |
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Jose posted:Hopefully Adam Johnson goes If England legitimately want to do well (lol) they need to park the bus hardcore with wingers who will put in a shift defensively and Adam Johnson is not that winger.
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| # ? Feb 5, 2012 12:25 |
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I dunno if Henderson will make it, he hasn't been a regular with England to offset his terrible club form. Downing and Walcott are established enough at this point that they'll go regardless.
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| # ? Feb 5, 2012 12:27 |
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I'd quite like to see Agbonlahor go, he basically offers everything Walcott does with the added bonus of not being a tiny child. Plus he links up well with Bent who will almost certainly be going.
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| # ? Feb 5, 2012 12:30 |
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Byolante posted:If England legitimately want to do well (lol) they need to park the bus hardcore with wingers who will put in a shift defensively and Adam Johnson is not that winger. But counter to that, using club connections and a wing partnership of Richards and Johnson would be pretty sensible and work well in attack and defence. However it'll be Johnson, Walcott and loving Downing and we'll get knocked out the instant we set foot outside the group stages.
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| # ? Feb 5, 2012 12:32 |
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You can spend forever picking out players who have had a decent run of form and "should" be going, but ultimately Capello has to pick a team and have some stability. Walcott, Johnson, Downing, Young and Milner have all been decent enough for England and none of the other options are such an obvious upgrade that it seems worth disrupting the team for. The fact that we're probably going to revert straight back to the miserable core of Gerrard, Lampard, Terry and (probably) Ferdinand is what depresses me. I don't know about Barry, I've always thought he's a bit poo poo a lot of other people seem to think he's been great this season.
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| # ? Feb 5, 2012 12:35 |
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peanut- posted:The fact that we're probably going to revert straight back to the miserable core of Gerrard, Lampard, Terry and (probably) Ferdinand is what depresses me. I don't know about Barry, I've always thought he's a bit poo poo a lot of other people seem to think he's been great this season. He's been fantastic for City, you'll struggle to find any blues who don't hugely rate him. I'm not sure he works in the same way for England, because England don't have the same work ethic, and Capello will end up playing him together with Parker who is too similar. The only games Barry has been bad in are when he's been together with De Jong and they kept going for the same balls. The irritation is a lot of players don't turn out the same performances for England as they are capable of for their clubs. Downing is the biggest culprit of this, I've never seen him be any good at all for England, he's had his chance and he shouldn't start - he's probably in the best 23 we can take though.
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| # ? Feb 5, 2012 12:42 |
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Barry's also pretty slow, so when you don't have a team that is drilled rigidly - a lot harder with a week or two to prepare for internationals as opposed to months at a club - he hasn't got the legs to make up for it and cover on the fly. Remember him huffing and puffing after a jogging Ozil at the world cup because John Terry couldn't be arsed to get back and defend, for example.
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| # ? Feb 5, 2012 12:52 |
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I think Gerrard is probably still worth taking. I'd want Lampard on towards the end of a game in the knockout stages but I don't think that's worth bringing him for. Terry obviously needs to be gone, and Ferdinand is going to get shown up if he plays, his pace has gone and he's trying to cover it up. At least Johnson and Cole are used to covering for slow centre backs I guess. Barry should be in the squad but as said he's too similar to Parker and not quite as good. I think Parker and Carrick as the base should be the first choice, with either Gerrard or Milner in front of them.
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| # ? Feb 5, 2012 12:55 |
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Stuart Downing is historys greatests monster
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| # ? Feb 5, 2012 12:58 |
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Wouldn't mind seeing Phil Jones turn out in defensive midfield, honestly. Bearing in mind that Rooney is gone for the first couple of matches, this is probably England's most rounded line-up imo: Hart Richards - Smalling - Cahill/Lescott - Cole Phil Jones - Scott Parker Milner - Gerrard - Young Bent Obviously that can be tweaked to be more aggressive by sacrificing Parker or Jones or Milner for another speedy winger like Walcott or Lennon, or in defence if Ferdinand/King/Terry stop being perma-crocked/throwing tantrums.
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| # ? Feb 5, 2012 13:01 |
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Young, Carrick, Parker, Walcott with Rooney in the hole behind Bent, Sturridge or Wellbeck sounds like it would work well against weaker teams to me. Maybe drop the striker and play a 4-3-3 against stronger teams. /edit: forgot Rooney is banned.
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| # ? Feb 5, 2012 13:02 |
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I'd definitely play Lescott ahead of Cahill. For all the jokes about £22m, he's been quietly solid this season whilst Cahill has been pretty poor.
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| # ? Feb 5, 2012 13:16 |
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Eau de MacGowan posted:Wouldn't mind seeing Phil Jones turn out in defensive midfield, honestly. Bearing in mind that Rooney is gone for the first couple of matches, this is probably England's most rounded line-up imo: There's no point playing Jones in midfield if Parker is already there. You need someone with good distribution to bring the wingers into play. And you can't overlook Carrick for that this season. I'd rather have Lennon right wing than Milner as well, as good as he is I don't think he has much impact on the wing. With Bent up front you need to be more direct since his linkup play is poor, so better to have two direct wingers on to put crosses in for him.
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| # ? Feb 5, 2012 13:33 |
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much maligned player for my club has been excellent, but much maligned player for other club? heh gerrard will not be playing behind the striker, he's doing much better nowadays as a deep sitting cm. him next to parker would be pretty good with milner, johnson and i guess downing (agreed he's always been crap for england but he was motm in one game i can't remember last year and who else is there) in front, bent as the lone striker. it'll be walcott on the right wing though of course and we'll do gently caress all
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| # ? Feb 5, 2012 13:33 |
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Personally I recommend WES BROWN
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| # ? Feb 5, 2012 13:57 |
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Chiunque puņ essere Luther Blissett, semplicemente adottando il nome Luther Blissett
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I'd put Rooney in the "going, but shouldn't be" camp. He's getting to Lampard and Gerrard levels of not performing well for England. Not sure why Capello still thinks he's England's best player. Welbeck and Sturridge, imo. Tried and trusted in England's case doesn't work. And after WC2010 I still don't understand how Gerrard and Lampard are going.
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| # ? Feb 5, 2012 14:28 |
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FullLeatherJacket posted:Personally I recommend WES BROWN I don't think he plays for your club going completely against the theme of this thread
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| # ? Feb 5, 2012 14:41 |
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Personally, I think we should be dropping Rooney in favour of Andy Carroll who is starting to show just how loving good he is at leading the line. He's pretty good when he has a speedy partner, so perhaps Sturridge or Welbeck could partner him in the absence of best player in the Premier League Bellamy.
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| # ? Feb 5, 2012 14:49 |
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England needs Alan Smith.
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| # ? Feb 5, 2012 14:50 |
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if lampard & gerrard start as a central midfield pair for england this summer i'm turning scotch, fairly sure i can find some ancestor to cover it
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| # ? Feb 5, 2012 14:52 |
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Tatty Muncher posted:if lampard & gerrard start as a central midfield pair for england this summer i'm turning scotch, fairly sure i can find some ancestor to cover it If either of them go to the tournament I'll kill myself.
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| # ? Feb 5, 2012 15:04 |
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I def think that all the English members of Liverpool football club should be in the starting eleven regardless of form
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| # ? Feb 5, 2012 15:05 |
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Pissflops posted:If either of them go to the tournament I'll kill myself. I'll miss you Pissflops
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| # ? Feb 5, 2012 15:07 |
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Pissflops posted:If either of them go to the tournament I'll kill myself.  (USER WAS PUT ON PROBATION FOR THIS POST)
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| # ? Feb 5, 2012 15:31 |
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| # ? May 23, 2013 11:48 |
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I'd like to see Oxlade Chamberlain take Walcott's place for club and country. Chuck Ravel in there too, see what happens
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