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Ninpo
Aug 6, 2004

My best moment? I have a lot of good moments but the one I prefer is when I kicked the hooligan. I didn't punch him strong enough. I should have punched him harder.

The Mash posted:

Gerrard was definitely playing the CAM role vs Holland and he was definitely awful. Put Rooney there, find someone to play that right wing properly and you're set. Don't put Young at CAM. Not because he can't, but because he's the closest thing England has to a proper winger of any kind of class and consistency.


E: And then when you meet Spain or Germany, move Rooney to striker, put Carrick into the CAM role and pull it back to right infront of Parker and Barry and play the most boring 4-5-1 of all time and hope to fluke 1-0.


E2: I should be England manager.

The Mash in.

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FullLeatherJacket
Dec 30, 2004
Chiunque puň essere Luther Blissett, semplicemente adottando il nome Luther Blissett



So, in case anyone was wondering, England beating Spain and Sweden was "underwhelming". England losing at home to Holland is "promising".

I'm going to wear an Argentina shirt all summer.

nictigre03
Oct 31, 2011


FullLeatherJacket posted:

So, in case anyone was wondering, England beating Spain and Sweden was "underwhelming". England losing at home to Holland is "promising".

I'm going to wear an Argentina shirt all summer.

Well if you look at it in context it was. The manager just quit and there was a temporary manager in place who picked a really young side that played pretty well overall versus the WC runners up. You're arguably best player in Rooney didn't even play as well.

Anyone know what the average age was last night for England?

nictigre03 fucked around with this message at Mar 1, 2012 around 21:10

Ninpo
Aug 6, 2004

My best moment? I have a lot of good moments but the one I prefer is when I kicked the hooligan. I didn't punch him strong enough. I should have punched him harder.

nictigre03 posted:

Anyone know what the average age was last night for England?

When Gerrard went off I think it dropped to 24ish, with Parker boosting the numbers. Hart, Smalling, Richards, Young, Sturridge, Welbeck, Johnson are all under 25 iirc.

Sealcub
Sep 11, 2008


It'd be interesting if Glen Johnson was given a run on the right of midfield. Micah Richards behind him would make up for his typical lapses in concentration while freeing him up offensively. He's the type of wide option that can beat his man and deliver a consistent cross that England will need when the middle of the pitch is being conceded, which is going to happen against the toughest competition. He is capable of more than just hugging the touchline, of course, as he enjoys cutting in from the right and shooting with his "weak" left.

vyelkin
Jan 2, 2011

Jozy loves scoring like a fat kid loves eating cake.


Sealcub posted:

It'd be interesting if Glen Johnson was given a run on the right of midfield. Micah Richards behind him would make up for his typical lapses in concentration while freeing him up offensively. He's the type of wide option that can beat his man and deliver a consistent cross that England will need when the middle of the pitch is being conceded, which is going to happen against the toughest competition. He is capable of more than just hugging the touchline, of course, as he enjoys cutting in from the right and shooting with his "weak" left.

I wouldn't be opposed to this at all. He's a fantastic attacking option and has been one of our best attackers at Liverpool this season (against some very poor competition admittedly). The typical dismissal for this is that he's best attacking when he has space to move into from further back, rather than being closed down quickly by a fullback, but I'd say it's worth a try.

Scikar
Nov 20, 2005

5? Seriously?


It doesn't always work as well as you might think. Most full backs are used to receiving the ball without any pressure on them, because they're either sat deep to receive it or they've made an overlapping run into space. It can be quite unsettling to then play with an opposing full back always closing them down as they pick the ball up, and then being up against a proper full back instead of against the opposing winger tracking them, who will naturally not be as good defensively.

I'm not saying it can't work but I think we're past the point where we have time to experiment with it and find out. If he'd been played on the wing for Liverpool occasionally it would be different. Otherwise it would be a fairly desperate measure, if we need to shore up the right flank I think it would be better to just put Milner there.

Total Meatlove
Jan 28, 2007


Rangers died, shoujo Hitler cried ;_;


I'd like to see Milner take on the Barry role and anchor the midfield, he's got the energy to play there and if he could work on not getting booked all the time it'd leave a space for players like Wilshere to play towards the front.

Playing Glen Johnson as a midfielder would be a waste, it's not a position where that kind of move is needed.

Steve Evets
Feb 6, 2006



Jose posted:

http://www.guardian.co.uk/football/...-pearce-under21

A decent article that covers both last night and the state of the England youth set up.

http://news.bbc.co.uk/sport2/hi/football/2641675.stm

Someone had to do it.

Blue Screen Error posted:

Lansbury is quality but he's never going to get in the England side while he's still contracted to Arsenal because Wenger is an idiot who doesn't even want him as a squad player.

Wenger supposedly rates him but taking him to the Euros at this point is just madness having only played something like 60 minutes total of top flight football at the end of matches in which the result had been decided.

Psybro posted:

I'd definitely have Lescott/Jags as my first choice partnership assuming Rio doesn't get his poo poo together, but managers hate picking Jagielka in competitive matches for some reason.

My Euro team:

code:
 
             Welbeck


Young        Rooney/Milner       Sturridge
 
       Carrick/Wilshere   Parker  

Cole    Lescott      Jagielka      Richards

            Hart

Changed it slightly, but on the whole that's Englands best team imo.

Byolante
Mar 23, 2008

Cruel Britannia!


Shawcross is far better than Jagielka, its absurd to say otherwise. He is also 24 so he has a long career ahead if the england selectors weren't lunatics.

Tsaedje
May 11, 2007


a very unhappy baby whale

Fat Guy Sexting posted:

I'd like to see Milner take on the Barry role and anchor the midfield, he's got the energy to play there and if he could work on not getting booked all the time it'd leave a space for players like Wilshere to play towards the front.


Mancini sees Milner as the obvious replacement for Barry and is increasingly using him in that role, it makes a lot of sense to make an identical swap at international level

The Mash
Feb 17, 2007

You have to say I can open my presents


Sturridge is not international-level on the right wing, unfortunately. He's good there for Chelsea but doesn't track back nearly enough for the more rigid, defensive game of national sides.

While it's true that England need to emulate Spain and Germany more and breed young Xavis and Özils, right now, with the players available, the correct choice is clearly a workmanlike 4-3-3 with three central midfielders of which one is allowed forward, two wingers who put in a shift defensively and a fast striker who can defend from the front.

Focus on keeping clean sheets and controlling the midfield. The goals will come like they do for all other international sides: through sheer dumb luck and set pieces. Maybe throw in a counter-attack goal or two since you'll have the Welbeck - Rooney - Young trifecta.


It'll be like Greece only with better (note: not actually much better) players.

Scott Bakula
Jul 24, 2007



Call up Ryan Shotton for long throws

The Mash
Feb 17, 2007

You have to say I can open my presents


I mean look at Holland in the World Cup final. For all the criticism of their negative playstyle, they were one complete self-embarassment from the Dutch Charlie Adam away from winning the prettiest trophy in the world against a decidedly superior side.

England can play expansive, pretty football to beat Ukraine and Sweden, but they need to accept that Germany will only be beaten through repeated corners aimed at John Terrys ugly mug.

Smeef
Aug 15, 2003

Als zij langs loopt...


Just sit back with the biggest athletic brutes you can find plus Shotton and someone who can take a set piece.

Ninpo
Aug 6, 2004

My best moment? I have a lot of good moments but the one I prefer is when I kicked the hooligan. I didn't punch him strong enough. I should have punched him harder.

Smeef posted:

Just sit back with the biggest athletic brutes you can find plus Shotton and someone who can take a set piece.

So Rooney, Shotton and anyone English from Stoke, Blackburn and Bolton. Euros here we come.

The Mash
Feb 17, 2007

You have to say I can open my presents


That's not actually what I'm saying

Scott Bakula
Jul 24, 2007



Win it like The Team of the Decade imo

jyrka
Jan 21, 2005


Potato Count: 2 small potatoes


I'm really liking England's odds to win it. They're ten to one.

Breath Ray
Nov 19, 2010
ASK ME ABOUT HOW I GIVE OFF MORE PHEREMONES BECAUSE I'M OLDER AND SOUND LIKE RAY FIENNES

Winner, PWM POTM March


France are 14 to 1, both worth a fiver imo

The Mash
Feb 17, 2007

You have to say I can open my presents


Breath Ray posted:

France are 14 to 1, both worth a fiver imo

If you don't like your money you can always send them to me

Smeef
Aug 15, 2003

Als zij langs loopt...


code:
                     Hart
Shotton     Shawcross     Terry    Lescott
Barton     Cattermole    Parker     Barry
               Rooney    Davies
edit: BTW my name is Smeef, and I unironically endorse this lineup.

Smeef fucked around with this message at Mar 2, 2012 around 11:35

Byolante
Mar 23, 2008

Cruel Britannia!


code:
               Hart
Richards Shawcross Smalling Jones
             Rodwell
Shotton   Parker  Barry    Milner
              Holt
That is England's lineup in my dreams

Chris de Sperg
Aug 14, 2009



Byolante posted:

code:
               Hart
Richards Shawcross Smalling Jones
             Rodwell
Shotton   Parker  Barry    Milner
              Holt
That is England's lineup in my dreams
yeah i like seeing the EMNT lose too

The Mash
Feb 17, 2007

You have to say I can open my presents


code:
               Hart
Richards Terry Ferdinand Smalling
Shotton Shawcross Jones Ashley Cole
               Parker             
              Cahill
Line of thought: You've essentially got a back 4 behind your back 4 (so you can park the bus while you park the bus), Parker to clean up in front of your back 4's and then Gary Cahill moved up front because the striker will be isolated so a CB makes sense for the physicality.

The Mash fucked around with this message at Mar 2, 2012 around 13:03

Psybro
May 12, 2002


http://www.guardian.co.uk/football/...ager-candidates

Apparently David Bernstein has said they were shortlisting at least one non-British manager. This makes me think Mourinho is in the running since any other foreigners would face a backlash.

I was thinking that Mourinho won't be cheap, and obviously they spent a Hell of a lot on Fabio. Can somebody explain where the FA get their money from for the national team staff? Is it all sponsorship deals?

Breath Ray
Nov 19, 2010
ASK ME ABOUT HOW I GIVE OFF MORE PHEREMONES BECAUSE I'M OLDER AND SOUND LIKE RAY FIENNES

Winner, PWM POTM March


Agreed, Roy Keane in

Scott Bakula
Jul 24, 2007



http://www.bbc.co.uk/sport/0/football/17510682

Glenn Hoddle would like the job again

the sex ghost
Sep 6, 2009



what did he do in a past life to deserve that job?

Blue Screen Error
Jun 11, 2001

For this recipie you will need:</b><br /> Football match (Halftime of), Celebrity Owner (Motivational speaking of), Sherry (Bottle of)


Is there a GB football team at the paralympics?

Hoops
Aug 19, 2005


A Black Mark For Retarded Posting

Blue Screen Error posted:

Is there a GB football team at the paralympics?
I think there's a blind football team?

Total Meatlove
Jan 28, 2007


Rangers died, shoujo Hitler cried ;_;


Hoops posted:

I think there's a blind football team?

One partially sighted and one blind team. The blind captain has one of the best scoring records in football.

Hoops
Aug 19, 2005


A Black Mark For Retarded Posting

Fat Guy Sexting posted:

One partially sighted and one blind team. The blind captain has one of the best scoring records in football.
They all wear blindfolds in blind football don't they to account for partially sighted players. Do they really bother with two seperate teams?

Loving Africa Chaps
Dec 3, 2007

We had not left it yet, but when I would wake in the night, I would lie, listening, homesick for it already.


Fat Guy posted:

The blind captain has one of the best scoring records in football.

Bit suspicious this.

Total Meatlove
Jan 28, 2007


Rangers died, shoujo Hitler cried ;_;


Hoops posted:

They all wear blindfolds in blind football don't they to account for partially sighted players. Do they really bother with two seperate teams?

Trying to get info is difficult but yes I think there are two.

e:found it

Disability Football Strategy 2010-2012 posted:

The FA has supported seven senior impairment-specific squads to attend World and European competitions and has had great success since support was first given to these teams. It is a critical time for disability sport in this country as the 2012 London Paralympics will provide a huge opportunity to showcase the national disability teams. It was of paramount importance that The FA completed a review of the elite disability teams and structure. This would enable the FA to assess the level of support given to each team and if the structure of disability football has changed in the last 10 years to reflect the needs of elite players with a disability. The FA must ensure these teams have the most talented players and the right competition framework to produce the best elite players possible.At the heart of this review is the need for The FA to have the over-arching aim to allow disabled players to reach their potential and play at the highest level, however an England disability team should be run where the disability prevents the footballer from reaching this goal within mainstream football. Criteria and a framework was applied to each impairment group to ensure it was fit for purpose both within England and have an active, recognised international organisation. From this review the following impairment groups were identified for FA support:

• Amputee
• Blind
• Cerebral Palsy
• Deaf
• Learning Disability
(through an Under 18 development team)
• Partially Sighted

The FA is committed to supporting senior disability teams to achieve our goal to be ranked in the top four in Europe, as published by the international disability-specific organisation, in each impairment group.

From here if anyone is interested.

Total Meatlove fucked around with this message at Mar 26, 2012 around 10:54

The Mash
Feb 17, 2007

You have to say I can open my presents


Loving Africa Chaps posted:

Bit suspicious this.

To be fair I think Suarez could well score more of his chances of he closed his eyes and just put his foot through it

Monday Bandele
Apr 26, 2008


I shudder to think how much money Hoddle probably lost with that academy in Spain.

britishbornandbread
Jul 8, 2000

Romantic and Square is Hip and Aware!

I don't know too much about it - has it not worked out? We signed a young lad last summer who was there and he's done all right for us admittedly at a low level.

The Clit Avoider
Aug 11, 2002

El Profesional


Shearer backs hoddle for ING-GER-LUND.

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Blue Screen Error
Jun 11, 2001

For this recipie you will need:</b><br /> Football match (Halftime of), Celebrity Owner (Motivational speaking of), Sherry (Bottle of)


Is there anyone who doesn't think Holt should be going to the Euros now? Only 6 players have scored more Prem goals than him this season, and of them, only Rooney is English, and he's missing the first two games.

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