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Gareth Barry is good enough to play in a Man City side with David Silva and Aguero and not look out of his league but as soon as England chat comes up apparently he's not in contention and it's weird. In a 4-3-3/4-2-3-1 England have played best with Young or Downing as well.
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| # ¿ Feb 5, 2012 22:14 |
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The Anime Knower posted:i think we can all agree on no franny jeffers?
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| # ¿ Feb 5, 2012 22:22 |
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Biggy_ posted:fox in the box on the bench. You want Lennon and Walker fresh for the Olympics with Bale?
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| # ¿ Feb 5, 2012 23:55 |
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John Terry ruins loving everything
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| # ¿ Feb 8, 2012 19:30 |
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Stuart Pearce England Manager at the Euros?
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| # ¿ Feb 8, 2012 19:30 |
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Pearce and Moyes together for 2012, imo
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| # ¿ Feb 8, 2012 19:40 |
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Tatty Muncher posted:yeah lets get a scotch in for the loving england job I know they don't do well in English football but it's a risk I think would pay off
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| # ¿ Feb 8, 2012 19:44 |
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Should only be 4, possibly 5 players in the squad to go to the Euros over 28. No excuse not to.
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| # ¿ Feb 8, 2012 21:12 |
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I think even Rio must know his days of playing in tournaments are over.
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| # ¿ Feb 8, 2012 21:52 |
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euroboy posted:Stuart Pearce will manage England against Holland, and they will then get a permament manager in asap after that. Wish they'd just keep Pearce
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| # ¿ Feb 9, 2012 12:30 |
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Mickolution posted:Why? Because he's been U21 manager and has a good international record with the players that should be in the England squad for 2012 and 14.
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| # ¿ Feb 9, 2012 13:48 |
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the sex ghost posted:jamie redknapp will come back into the squad and I'll be glad because we wont have to listen to his godawful punditry Him and Joe Cole will score 1 great goal and then break
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| # ¿ Feb 13, 2012 10:49 |
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MrL_JaKiri posted:Phil Jones (Manchester United), Micah Richards (Manchester City), Chris Smalling (Manchester United), Kyle Walker (Tottenham Hotspur) Just play that in front of Hart.
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| # ¿ Feb 23, 2012 11:52 |
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Blue Screen Error posted:Wouldn't it be better if we played players in their actual position? It wasn't entirely serious. Out of that squad I'd rather see Richards/Cahill/Jones/Baines across the back four, with Walker and Smalling replacing Richards/Jones at half time.
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| # ¿ Feb 23, 2012 12:00 |
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Hoops posted:I also think that team lacks a bit of, I don't know, "star quality" maybe? That's been the problem I guess, picking the golden generation big names, but when you look at some of the young players other teams have got, there's no player for England that excites me that much. That's because the golden generation have had a decade of positive press. This team managed quite well for relatively unknown international players mixed with experience. Cole and Gerrard were on less than 5 caps between them at this point I think. code:We need to gut the golden generation out of the squad and actually play youngsters again.
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| # ¿ Feb 24, 2012 12:00 |
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Eric Cantona posted:As awesome as your lineup of old is, it's important to remember that what you've put out was rarely all there at the same time. Seaman left in 2002 iirc, at which point Barmby and McManaman were nowhere to be seen and shortly after that Scholes became a left winger. Hargreaves came nowhere near the side until 2006 where he had a fantastic tournament then his knees died before he saw another major tournament. That's the team that beat Germany 5-1 and topped their qualification for WC2002, sparking the German FA into actually investing in youth players and leading to the 4-1 World Cup team that spanked us in South Africa. I'm not saying that we shouldn't have older players in the team like Rooney, Milner or Ashley Young. Or having an older head in the squad like Barry or Parker or Gerrard or Lampard. Just not all of them at once. Eric Cantona posted:however many of those same players limped out of Euro 2000 and lost a drab match to Germany at the old Wembley. Also, the team that lost 1-0 to Germany at old Wembley had this defence. code:The more things change, the more they stay the same. Total Meatlove fucked around with this message at Feb 24, 2012 around 12:34 |
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willkill4food posted:Shawcross might be able to adapt, but why would any manager call up a player who plays in a completely different system week in and week out in hopes they adapt in the short time the national team has together? You mean like every other player in the England squad does anyway?
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| # ¿ Feb 28, 2012 16:14 |
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I Am Patriarchy posted:I'd have gone with Shawcross too, doubtlessly. But that's the point at the moment - the team doesn't have the players, and has ridiculous expectations put upon them. The team has the expectations of the 'golden generation' but with none of the fit or good players left.
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| # ¿ Feb 28, 2012 19:36 |
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Downing has done well in an England shirt in his last couple of outings and played well against Cardiff, if it weren't for Carrolls phobia of the 6 yard box he'd have had a couple of assists.
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| # ¿ Feb 28, 2012 23:04 |
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Spangly A posted:England (4-3-3) Hart; Richards, Smalling, Cahill, Baines; Gerrard, Parker, Barry; A Johnson, Welbeck, Young. ITV are going on about how this is a real chance for youth. Also spent 20 minutes looking at highlights of Pearce as a player rather than him as an actual manager, just because then they got to play highlights of '96.
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| # ¿ Feb 29, 2012 19:54 |
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Lansbury seems a solid choice to take in the squad for Euro 2012 with an eye for Brazil. Captained the U17, U19, U21's, been to three finals with them, has an eye for goal, plays similarly to Wilshire(?) and would be good cover for the right midfield as well.
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| # ¿ Mar 1, 2012 15:03 |
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SharpyShuffle posted:Yup, England should walcott as many promising youngsters as possible. I don't think it would be as bad as taking Walcott to Japan was, that one seemed to be based entirely on media hype. Owen thrived at '98 and it seemed like all the papers wanted another miracle player for '02. When I say 'with an eye for Brazil' I mean actually bedding in youngsters and trying to sort out a cohesive team and not just throwing them in randomly. I think before Wilshire was injured you could see a move to edge out Gerrard and Lampard, but there are plenty of other 'young' or U21 players who are used to playing the new way and who deserve a chance for an hour or a half in a proper game.
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| # ¿ Mar 1, 2012 16:10 |
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Butterfly Valley posted:Except it was '06 because Theo Walcott is not 27 years old Wrong World Cup same point.
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| # ¿ Mar 1, 2012 16:44 |
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I'd like to see Milner take on the Barry role and anchor the midfield, he's got the energy to play there and if he could work on not getting booked all the time it'd leave a space for players like Wilshere to play towards the front. Playing Glen Johnson as a midfielder would be a waste, it's not a position where that kind of move is needed.
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| # ¿ Mar 1, 2012 23:54 |
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Hoops posted:I think there's a blind football team? One partially sighted and one blind team. The blind captain has one of the best scoring records in football.
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| # ¿ Mar 26, 2012 10:36 |
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Hoops posted:They all wear blindfolds in blind football don't they to account for partially sighted players. Do they really bother with two seperate teams? Trying to get info is difficult but yes I think there are two. e:found it Disability Football Strategy 2010-2012 posted:The FA has supported seven senior impairment-specific squads to attend World and European competitions and has had great success since support was first given to these teams. It is a critical time for disability sport in this country as the 2012 London Paralympics will provide a huge opportunity to showcase the national disability teams. It was of paramount importance that The FA completed a review of the elite disability teams and structure. This would enable the FA to assess the level of support given to each team and if the structure of disability football has changed in the last 10 years to reflect the needs of elite players with a disability. The FA must ensure these teams have the most talented players and the right competition framework to produce the best elite players possible.At the heart of this review is the need for The FA to have the over-arching aim to allow disabled players to reach their potential and play at the highest level, however an England disability team should be run where the disability prevents the footballer from reaching this goal within mainstream football. Criteria and a framework was applied to each impairment group to ensure it was fit for purpose both within England and have an active, recognised international organisation. From this review the following impairment groups were identified for FA support: From here if anyone is interested. Total Meatlove fucked around with this message at Mar 26, 2012 around 10:54 |
| # ¿ Mar 26, 2012 10:47 |
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Hoops posted:I don't understand this at all. The euros are in less than three months, with I think two friendlies left. It's "best eleven" time, not "bed in the youngsters for the future" time. It's not an off-year or some early qualifiers where you can plan for the future, England have a present to deal with first. After the euros obviously it's different, but why would you not want a player you think is one of the best CB to be playing? Because you do that for every position and we end up with a defence and midfield that has an average age of 40. Englands lions best XI is always Hart, Johnson, Terry, Ferdinand, Cole, Lampard or Gerrard, Barry or Parker, two youngsters on the wings and then Rooney + striker of the month. This month it's Grant Holt or Peter Crouch. People seriously want Scholes to go ffs. And that'd be a great team for a friendly, where they've got a week or two before hand off and then can recuperate, but in a tournament they're hosed. You saw it in South Africa, the Germany side that thrashed England was younger, fitter and able to last out the match, the fourth goal being the best example. On that list of players 4 of them made their debut or played at old Wembley. Scholes, Ferdinand, Lampard (I'm counting him, Wembley wasn't shut yet) and Barry The Euros should be about England accepting that they aren't going to win, and then taking a few elder players for experience. Maybe 5 or 6 in a squad of 23 over 30. Play Cahill next to Smalling, not Terry. Have Wilshire anchor a midfield next to Milner rather than Lampard and Barry. Never let Gerrard near England again. Build a team that won't be dragging up a debate over a 35 year old Lampard going to Brazil from whichever MLS team he retires too.
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| # ¿ Apr 19, 2012 22:35 |
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Hoops posted:Of course they're not going to win, but if you're not going to give it your best shot don't bother going at all. If you think the best shot is the younger fitter players who may be able to endure a full tournament, that's fine, it's very possible that's true. When I say "best 11", I mean "11 most likely to progress in the tournament". At which point I think we agree, and the argument becomes 'who do you drop'. Which gets difficult in England because dropping one of the Golden Generation makes the actual news. quote:But about bedding in players for the future: everything you're saying makes perfect sense for friendlies and early WC qualifiers, but a tournament setting is not the place for an aim that is anything other than trying to win. I can't see how that's anything other than "If you're not going to win, don't try". Here we disagree, tournaments come around every 2 years. Making each one the last hurrah for a specific generation of players doesn't do any good. The team that lost in 2010 + token player isn't going to magically come good. quote:International football changes everyone's opinions for some reason. Say you're Alan Pardew and you've just got Newcastle into the Champions League. Of course you're not going to win, you're going to get nowhere. So do you give your youth players a run out against Dortmund to get them some experience just because your opponents are better than you and you've no chance? Of course not, you try your hardest anyway. Here it's a little different. England have good players. They have in a couple of them, some of the best in the world. It's less analogous to Newcastle scraping the CL and more United playing the group stages. Yer it hosed up this year, but he starts youngsters against the smaller teams in those tournaments and lets them get vital experience that helps them grow into players as good as Ferdinand etc.
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| # ¿ Apr 19, 2012 23:22 |
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Hoops posted:
That the best team on paper and the best team for a tournament are two separate things really. Though I've kind of confused my point a bit I think. Essentially; older players have their place to play in the squad, but they should be assuming roles like Beckham, playing occasionally but not first XI and reliable when called upon. Lampard is brilliant, Scholes is exceptional. In an ideal world though, neither of them should be starting. They can have the 30 minute cameos at the end of a match and England can move to playing with the Wilshires/Oxlaide Chamberlains/Smalling/Walkers etc.
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| # ¿ Apr 20, 2012 00:01 |
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Hoops posted:Not if the Wilshires/Oxlaide Chamberlains/Smalling/Walkers etc. aren't going to do as well. (Again, I'm not arguing that they won't). England should do it's "moving on period" in friendlies and less important matches, the thing they've been preparing for is on their door stop now. I don't see why people want to use the Euros as a training camp for some other future tournament, other than being bored of certain players. I think at this point, the current England crop have had 4 tournaments or qualifiers to make their mark. What harm does it do to avoid a decent group and eventual quarter final defeat and try the new ones out. Even if they lose, they'll have gained a tonne more experience which will set them up better for the next tournament. After the gutting of this side I'd say it should go to after the tournament like you say.
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dilbertschalter posted:germany have better players and are probably the most consistent nation when it comes to getting results on the international stage, so it seems a bit glib to say "just do what germany did at this tournament." Every German youngster is better than their English counterpart?
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| # ¿ Apr 20, 2012 06:51 |
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Lennon is a wide player who can take on a man, get past him and put in a cross. Should definitely be going.
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| # ¿ Apr 20, 2012 08:28 |
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Scott Bakula posted:I'm looking forward to Richards playing at right back for england again is anyone else That he got dropped for being 'too close' to the older players was mental
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| # ¿ Apr 30, 2012 10:34 |
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Mickolution posted:The Express is worse, just. Not as bad as the Star, who invented stories about Muslims so they could back the EDL
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| # ¿ May 2, 2012 10:49 |
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Hasn't Milner been played more in the Barry role for City this season?
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| # ¿ May 3, 2012 12:29 |
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Hoops posted:Further forward than Barry afaik, but I think he's a very good winger. At that point you've got the risk of him pulling a Gerrard or Beckham and drifting inside all the time to play where he knows though. Stick Adam Johnson on the wing, have Milner playing in the Gerrard/Lampard role after an hour or so. So code:
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| # ¿ May 3, 2012 12:42 |
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Scott Bakula posted:The Sun are continuing to dedicate their front/back pages to slating Hodgson. This time because some of the German team don't really know him They wheeled out Wossy to talk about how it was all a bit of banter and it was fine right
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| # ¿ May 4, 2012 11:54 |
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Young and Downing crossing into Holt and Crouch would be amazing
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| # ¿ May 10, 2012 10:35 |
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Darren Bent as an option? Villa seem to think he could be fit
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| # ¿ May 10, 2012 10:50 |
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There are better options than Carroll at the moment though. Say you take 5 strikers in the squad on a 3/7/8/5 split. With that, you take Rooney, Crouch, Holt, Sturridge and Welbeck, all strikers who have scored more than Carroll this season. 3 of those 5 have a good shout for 2014, and Crouch has an insane record in international competitions.
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