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Can players who go to the Euros play in the Olympics too if they want? Could we see Terry captain team GB to glory?
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| # ¿ Feb 7, 2012 17:29 |
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| # ¿ May 23, 2013 09:57 |
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Psybro posted:I believe it's basically the case that they're the FA's players, and everything the Olympic organisation wants to do goes through them. Bearing in mind the other associations all pulled out, if they don't do what the FA wants, they'll have no team. I don't believe this is the case. The olympics committee put the FA in charge of team GB, that is why they gets to say who goes. If that had not happened my guess is that the FA would probably be unwilling to tell players what to do, just like the Welsh FA is currently with Bale and Ramsey.
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| # ¿ Feb 7, 2012 20:32 |
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How is Harry going to put an arm around players and get their confidence up when they only practice and play every other month or whatever?
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| # ¿ Feb 8, 2012 19:25 |
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Hardflip posted:Capello's gone http://thefa.com/England/News/2012/080212.aspx haha, I said it was a bad idea for the FA to castrate Capello like they did.
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| # ¿ Feb 8, 2012 19:29 |
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Levy going to let Harry leave mid season? Or even manage both until the end of the season? England might be stuck with someone like Pearce or Steve Bruce for the Euros.
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| # ¿ Feb 8, 2012 20:04 |
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Who would be worse, Bruce or Pearce?
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| # ¿ Feb 8, 2012 20:11 |
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Ladbrokes have suspended betting on Harry
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| # ¿ Feb 8, 2012 20:43 |
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It seems like a bad idea for Harry "literally just had a heart operation" Redknapp to be in charge of Spurs and England at the same time, but I doubt he quits Spurs midseason.
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| # ¿ Feb 8, 2012 20:51 |
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Fat Guy Sexting posted:Should only be 4, possibly 5 players in the squad to go to the Euros over 28. No excuse not to. Rio, Terry, Bent, Cashley, Lescott, Lampard, Parker, Barry, Gerrard, and Jagielka are all over 28 and all have a good shout to make the squad if fit. Edit: and Carrick, Dawson and Defoe
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| # ¿ Feb 8, 2012 21:16 |
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If you want to bring average players along in the hope that they will be motivated by the fact they are wearing the England jersey and play better then sure. At CB only Jones, Smalling and Cahill are under 28 and in the same league as the CBs I listed. Experience also matters a bit at that position I would say, you would be stupid not to take Lescott, Terry or Rio if they are fit. At LB Cashley is an automatic choice, even if Baines is having another good season. In midfield you have Wilshere, Cleverly and Milner who should probably go, but who else after that? Parker and Barry pick themselves. And unless you want to try to shoehorn a striker or a winger into CAM, Gerrard or Lampard need to go. At striker you could probably get away with not taking Bent or Defoe if you went with Sturridge and Welbeck. That is 7 players over 28 minimum really.
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| # ¿ Feb 8, 2012 21:25 |
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SharpyShuffle posted:Considering what McClaren cost them, yeah pretty much. Capello had pretty easy groups, though so did McClaren This argument is dumb anyway. Though what is it about the England job that turns managers who know what they are doing into such a joke? Early 2000s Capello would have never played Lampard and Gerrard in midfield and Heskey up front. Hashtag Banterzone fucked around with this message at Feb 9, 2012 around 13:43 |
| # ¿ Feb 9, 2012 13:24 |
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I could maybe see Harry doing well with a 4-2-3-1, it is somewhat similar to how he has Spurs play.
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| # ¿ Feb 9, 2012 16:14 |
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thought this was funny: Sports Mad: "Arsene Wenger for England Manager. He doesn't have to spend money and only has to win a trophy every four years #bbcsportsday"
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| # ¿ Feb 9, 2012 18:22 |
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I was just thinking that with Rooney out for 2 matches, England don't really have room to bring Andy Carroll, Zamora or Crouch. Rooney, Bent, Young, Welbeck and Sturridge would make a lot more sense. Of course Carroll will probably end up leading the line those first two group matches.
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| # ¿ Feb 9, 2012 20:09 |
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Modus Trollens posted:Why? Sturridge plays pretty regularly at a big club and Welbeck plays quite a bit too. Its not like Carroll gets up just because he plays for the sky sports six club. What do you mean why? My point was that Capello has always left behind good strikers so he could bring a target man or two in case of emergency. This was always an issue but now it is a bigger issue with the need for someone to score when Rooney is out. Though I guess Young, Welbeck and Sturridge might be able to do a job, though bringing Bent seems like a good idea to me. quote:It baffles me why anybody who isn't English would spare even a moment considering the make-up of the England side. I try to stay up to date on the USMNT's biggest rival
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| # ¿ Feb 9, 2012 20:17 |
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Holland did well with a crap back line, Uruguay did well with nobodies in midfield, and Ghana did well with poo poo strikers. So may there is hope for England.
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| # ¿ Feb 10, 2012 20:14 |
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Don't forget that Jones needs to play in midfield too, because although CB is his designated position, we all know he would be world class if only he was played out of position as a DM.
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| # ¿ Feb 13, 2012 18:32 |
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Which is more pathetic, England supporters pining for Scholes or USMNT fans putting all of their hopes in Jozy Altidore?
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| # ¿ Feb 14, 2012 14:47 |
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Parker, Barry and Cleverly seems like pretty good cover in midfield to me. Everyone knows there is a limit of 23 players right?
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| # ¿ Feb 16, 2012 13:33 |
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didn't realize there were so many ABPS in trp.
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| # ¿ Feb 16, 2012 17:31 |
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Psybro posted:The alternatives are playing Young or Milner in a position they haven't played in once this season, Stewart Downing, or Adam Johnson, whose main job now is being made to shine Gael Clichy's boots by Mancini. Or Gerrard, because Alan Hansen once said his crossing was as good as Beckham's. You are forgetting Sturridge.
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| # ¿ Feb 27, 2012 20:17 |
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Shawcross would get found out quickly playing in a side that didn't park the bus. Lescott is the one who should be starting. This season only Norwich and the bottom 5 sides (Wolves, QPR, Wigan, Bolton, and Blackburn) have conceded more than Stoke.
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| # ¿ Feb 28, 2012 14:21 |
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Byolante posted:There are a few mitigating factors for Stoke's shocking record and I don't feel it accurately reflects how good Shawcross actually is. I know suggesting some chelsea plastic watch poo poo midtable clogfests is insane but perhaps you should. Shawcross is a good CB for Stoke and Stoke's system. If you think England should play that sort of style then Shawcross makes sense. Otherwise why not call up a player who is going to be more comfortable on the ball and used to defending outside of his own box? Calling up Shawcross is just going to end in tears when he forgets to cover for his fullback after years of having his fullback at his side for 90 minutes.
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| # ¿ Feb 28, 2012 15:01 |
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Byolante posted:Again you clearly haven't been watching Stoke play at all. he is deceptively quick and ready to get wide. I am not arguing that he is not a good player. But unless Pulis is the next England manager, the CB position for England is going to be drastically different from the CB position for Stoke. Shawcross might be able to adapt, but why would any manager call up a player who plays in a completely different system week in and week out in hopes they adapt in the short time the national team has together?
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| # ¿ Feb 28, 2012 16:13 |
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Fat Guy Sexting posted:You mean like every other player in the England squad does anyway? Not really, all of the fullbacks who were called up get forward. All of the CBs called up are used to defending higher up the pitch. All of the strikers called up are used to having balls played into their feet.
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| # ¿ Feb 28, 2012 16:19 |
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Byolante posted:Here is the thing. We know for a fact England doesn't have the sort of players we need to go out and try to play that sort of game against the Germanies and Spains of the world so we may as well start playing more pragmatic instead of packing the midfield with CAMs and hoping for the best. But Pearce and then Redknapp are not going to play that way, so Shawcross should stay at home.
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| # ¿ Feb 28, 2012 17:14 |
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Scikar posted:On the other hand Shawcross has more experience playing in Europe than Gary Cahill so surely he should be ahead of him in the squad? I am sure that if Shawcross were to move to a club that didn't play like Stoke he could adjust. It might take a little while but he would get it. The issue is that it would take longer than the couple weeks that England have to train prior to Euro 2012. That is why he should stay at home.
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| # ¿ Feb 28, 2012 17:58 |
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Scikar posted:England aren't going to play like Man Utd either, should we send all the United players home? Man Utd right now play much closer to how England will look under Redknapp than Stoke do. If it was a good Stoke fullback that we were talking about would you still be lobbying for his selection? Hopefully not since fullbacks in Pulis' system do not get forward, which is pretty important to most other sides. Pretending that all players with CB or MF next to their name are the same is how England ended up with Gerrard and Lampard paired in midfield.
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| # ¿ Feb 28, 2012 18:11 |
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Spangly A posted:The Lampard/Gerrard problem had nothing to do with them adjusting, it was to do with the fact they're both utterly crap at being holding midfielders, and even if they had adjusted it would still not work. Shawcross is actually good at doing everything you say he can't do, and would therefore have no difficulty adjusting. You're talking rubbish. Liverpool have been trying to get Carragher to stop punting the ball down the pitch for the past decade it seems, I don't think Shawcross is going to learn in a week. Shawcross is a good defender, but there is no evidence he can perform at a top level in any other system besides Pulis'. You might as well be calling for Rooney and Jones to play in midfield because they can run a lot and tackle and pass.
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| # ¿ Feb 28, 2012 18:24 |
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thehappyprince posted:Even if you weren't talking literal bullshit there's probably some friendly matches where ex Manchester United youth player Ryan Shawcross could learn to play The England Way. But what if he relapsed to Stoke tactics in the middle of an important Euro match?
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| # ¿ Feb 28, 2012 18:39 |
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Meat Wagon posted:Pulis' system of full backs hinders the defence more than helps them. Throughout most of the season we've played Woodgate at right back, who has no positional sense there and he doesn't have the pace to get him out of trouble. If not for Shawcross and Huth doing his job for him we would have conceded a shitload more this season. Huth is a really good example of exactly what I am talking about. He is an amazing CB in Pulis' system, yet he has not recieved a cap since 2009. Germany didn't even called him up for the friendly against France with Mertesacker and Friedrich out of the squad. I think Low realizes that Huth would not be a good fit for how Germany play. England are not Germany and don't play the same, but the idea that you call up players who play similar to how you want to play isn't rocket science.
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| # ¿ Feb 28, 2012 19:03 |
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mikewozere posted:And when's the last time Parker assaulted or racially abused someone? this past Sunday.
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| # ¿ Feb 29, 2012 15:25 |
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Modus Trollens posted:Unless Milner is having a roaring tournament it has to be him. You might as well include Lampard in place of Milner then, I doubt Harry is going to drop his nephew.
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| # ¿ Mar 1, 2012 13:33 |
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The Clit Avoider posted:Not sure why anyone really cares too deeply about who the next England manager will be. Realistically, they have next to no chance of winning Euro 2012, or even instilling their own mark upon the team by then. The current England squad is also made up of players who are, basically, reaching the sunset of their careers, with a smattering of players who need blooded. To add to this point, is it at all troubling to england supporters that the FA seems to have gotten together and asked themselves "Who could get the best out of John Terry, Rio, Lampard, Barry and Gerrard without costing too much?". Instead of asking "who could build for the future?" or was it expected and everyone is just relieved it wasn't Harry?
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| # ¿ Apr 30, 2012 15:13 |
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Ninpo posted:Except the FA have explicitly hired a manager that is on board with the new football academy so I don't understand where the gently caress you dreamed this up from? What does "being on board" with the new football academy even mean? The FA hasn't even talked with Hodgson yet. And Roy hasn't ever really been the type to bring youth through afaik. Roy is a stop-gap, someone who can play ugly and get the best from the limited resources England has available for the Euros. The best English players who will be available for Brazil 2014 are Rooney, Welbeck, Young, Sturridge, Walcott, Wilshere, Ox, Barry, Parker, Cahill, Smalling, Jones, Baines, Walker, Richards, and Hart. Not exactly the sort of squad that fits Hodgson's style.
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| # ¿ Apr 30, 2012 17:45 |
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8raz posted:Roy Hodgson arrived at Wembley on Monday afternoon for talks with the Football Association over the England manager's job. Sorry, I meant when this idea that Roy is "on board with the new football academy" came about.
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| # ¿ Apr 30, 2012 18:05 |
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Babby Thatcher posted:you should probably write the FA a letter or something before whoever they appoint picks a slightly different squad to the objective best one here. that would be disastrous. It won't be like Barcelona hiring Tony Pulis or anything, but Hodgson was a short-term, "steady the ship" appointment for Liverpool and is one for England too. Everyone in this thread was saying how they need a manager who will drop the golden generation if they don't perform and who would be able to get the best out of the younger players and create an actual team. Hodgson isn't that man.
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| # ¿ Apr 30, 2012 18:15 |
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I don't speak french but le pen's post election speach sounded like she was trying to channel hitler and sarah palin edit: just realized this is not pwm, whoops Hashtag Banterzone fucked around with this message at May 3, 2012 around 12:26 |
| # ¿ May 3, 2012 12:23 |
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Yeah I was a bit confused at people suggesting a 4-2-3-1 for England considering Hodgson's teams don't line up like that.
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| # ¿ May 3, 2012 18:49 |
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| # ¿ May 23, 2013 09:57 |
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Doesn't Gary know what happened to the last up and coming manager to be made an England coach?
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| # ¿ May 14, 2012 13:07 |
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