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blackguy32 posted:I actually liked the remake over the original for at the very least getting rid of that tedious keycard backtracking bullshit towards the end of the game. It has that going for it. On the other hand the cutscenes are much longer in TTS because they're padded by stupid flashy choreography and really sloooooow taalllk..in...g... I could also mention that everyone sounds way more hammy too but then someone might make fun of me for caring about voice acting in a video game. This clip comparing the same (early, so no real bad spoilers) cutscene in both games says it all really. Note that the TTS version is more double the length of the original. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2ozvbq0yMMM his kingly woes fucked around with this message at Feb 15, 2012 around 01:26 |
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his kingly woes posted:It has that going for it. On the other hand the cutscenes are much longer in TTS because they're padded by stupid flashy choreography and really sloooooow taalllk..in...g... I could also mention that everyone sounds way more hammy too but then someone might make fun of me for caring about voice acting in a video game. The cutscenes are awesome in Twin Snakes but the first person shooting makes the game too easy. Whichever he can get his hands on is fine but while I still love MGS1 it is pretty dated and I'm not sure if I'd love it as much if I hadn't played it as a child.
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I'm gonna give the entire series a replay, should i play it chronologically or in order of release? I haven't played 1 or 2 since i was about 9 (10 years ago) so it would be like playing them for the first time.
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TheIllestVillain posted:I'm gonna give the entire series a replay, should i play it chronologically or in order of release? I haven't played 1 or 2 since i was about 9 (10 years ago) so it would be like playing them for the first time. In order of release. The in-jokes make more sense this way and if you try to play 1 or 2 after playing 3 or Peace Walker you are going to have a hard time getting used to the old controls.
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SolidRed posted:The cutscenes are awesome in Twin Snakes but the first person shooting makes the game too easy. Whichever he can get his hands on is fine but while I still love MGS1 it is pretty dated and I'm not sure if I'd love it as much if I hadn't played it as a child. Actually I just played through the PS1 version of MGS1 right before the HD collection came out and it has aged incredibly well.
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I was expecting the Chrysalis fight to be a pain in the rear end in terms of difficulty, going by previous boss fights in Peace Walker but it was actually a breeze. And a lot of fun to boot. Up until that point I hadn't used Chaff Grenades for anything, but I had one weapon slot open so I figured what the hell. In a wonderful demonstration of Metal Gear logic, they completely immobilized the boss and helped me a whole bunch to get through it. Honestly, one of my favorite things about Metal Gear games is wondering if something would work because it would kinda make sense, and without fail it always does. Chocolate America posted:Peace Walker owns incredibly loving hard in every imaginable way and is the 2nd best MGS game after 3. Period.
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Stare-Out posted:Honestly, one of my favorite things about Metal Gear games is wondering if something would work because it would kinda make sense, and without fail it always does. These mushrooms glow, so eating them should recharge my batteries, right? Oh, Snake. 
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Chocolate America posted:Actually I just played through the PS1 version of MGS1 right before the HD collection came out and it has aged incredibly well. I disagree. The combat in MGS1 is incredibly clunky and the game would most likely slow to a crawl if you didn't have the radar. Your field of view is super limited to the point where most of the time you will be using radar in combat situations.
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Started playing Snake Eater last night. I'm only a few hours in but there's something I've got to ask: Why the gently caress isn't there a game where I get to take on Nazis as The Boss? Did anyone really want another Raiden game? I need 'Metal Gear Solid 5: Les Basterds Inglorious' goddamnit 
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Ovaltine Jenkins posted:Started playing Snake Eater last night. I'm only a few hours in but there's something I've got to ask: My dream game has long been a WWII game where you use all of Cobra Unit, coordinating their dumb abilities in a squad-based tactical shooter kind of way. (Like Rainbow Six or Hidden & Dangerous.) It would be great for cooperative play. Like, "OK, now, you kick open the door, and then, well, bees."
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Wikipedia Brown posted:My dream game has long been a WWII game where you use all of Cobra Unit, coordinating their dumb abilities in a squad-based tactical shooter kind of way. (Like Rainbow Six or Hidden & Dangerous.) That sounds amazing, you're terrible for planting this idea in my head. The End provides sniper cover, The Fear saps morale and takes out priority targets, The Pain redirects battle flow and The Boss kicks rear end with The Fury on aerial asskicking support. I guess The Sorrow has to sneak around and interrogate corpses in some kind of mini game. This. This is the game I want.
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Shanty posted:That sounds amazing, you're terrible for planting this idea in my head. The End provides sniper cover, The Fear saps morale and takes out priority targets, The Pain redirects battle flow and The Boss kicks rear end with The Fury on aerial asskicking support. I guess The Sorrow has to sneak around and interrogate corpses in some kind of mini game. Oh my gently caress... 
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blackguy32 posted:I disagree. The combat in MGS1 is incredibly clunky and the game would most likely slow to a crawl if you didn't have the radar. Your field of view is super limited to the point where most of the time you will be using radar in combat situations. play the PC version and you can aim in first person. Sea change!
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blackguy32 posted:I disagree. The combat in MGS1 is incredibly clunky and the game would most likely slow to a crawl if you didn't have the radar. Your field of view is super limited to the point where most of the time you will be using radar in combat situations. Those of us who never get spotted only have to worry about combat situations during boss fights 
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Does tranqing everything in the game that isn't a mech count as not being spotted? Because that's what I do.
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Monster w21 Faces posted:Does tranqing everything in the game that isn't a mech count as not being spotted? Because that's what I do. If you're talking about Peace Walker then yes. Technically you can actually be seen be guards but as long as you don't go into Alert Phase you're good.
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Ovaltine Jenkins posted:Started playing Snake Eater last night. I'm only a few hours in but there's something I've got to ask: This is exactly what Kojima has been hinting Metal Gear Solid 5 will be, by the way, which is part of why Rising/Revengeance is no longer being made by their studio, they're hopping on this The Boss at Normandy idea.
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Chocolate America posted:Those of us who never get spotted only have to worry about combat situations during boss fights Except the point is that the camera angle is so bad that you spend more time staring at the radar than you do playing the actual game. Its the reason why MGS3 was so slow to play if you didn't get the subsistence version. All of this is making me wish that MGS4 got the Substance treatment 
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blackguy32 posted:Except the point is that the camera angle is so bad that you spend more time staring at the radar than you do playing the actual game. Its the reason why MGS3 was so slow to play if you didn't get the subsistence version. I guess I'm just so jaded now because I have so much of the game memorized. Thinking back to the first time I played each game I must admit that getting spotted all the time was frustrating as hell.
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his kingly woes posted:It has that going for it. On the other hand the cutscenes are much longer in TTS because they're padded by stupid flashy choreography and really sloooooow taalllk..in...g... I could also mention that everyone sounds way more hammy too but then someone might make fun of me for caring about voice acting in a video game. Ocelot: Six bullets. More than enough to ki- [Snake shoots him while he's standing there in the open reloading] And the scenes with Liquid towards the end of Twin Snakes are even worse. Just loving shoot him while he's droning on!
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I think my cousin has the original version, MGS4 and a PS3 so I'll probably play the original over TTS. Also, I'm preparing for the final Main Ops mission in Peace Walker and how the hell am I meant to get head parts for Zeke? Which boss should I take on to earn parts and what weapons should I use against them?
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Lt Jon Kavanaugh posted:Also, I'm preparing for the final Main Ops mission in Peace Walker and how the hell am I meant to get head parts for Zeke? Which boss should I take on to earn parts and what weapons should I use against them? Depends on what you want, at least kind of. If you just want to make the ZEKE head, you just need to go blow up whatever AI you feel like without targeting their head parts (the parts that are marked with the yellow S icon for Sense) and you should salvage head scraps after the battle. Assuming you don't graze the head, it shouldn't take you long to build a head. If you want one of the other AI heads, on the other hand, you need to leave the head almost entirely unscratched (>90% I think) and be fighting a Custom version of the AI. MkII fights might work, but I'm pretty sure they don't. After beating the fight, you'll roll a drop chance if you didn't damage the head too much and if you get lucky with the RNG you'll get a notice saying you got X HEAD PART. You only need to make the normal head to beat the game, and you only need one special head and Peace Walker's legs to get the associated achievement.
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his kingly woes posted:It has that going for it. On the other hand the cutscenes are much longer in TTS because they're padded by stupid flashy choreography and really sloooooow taalllk..in...g... I could also mention that everyone sounds way more hammy too but then someone might make fun of me for caring about voice acting in a video game. I will always love Twin Snakes though, just because its cutscenes are so over-the-top, it's ridiculous. I'll never not laugh at Snake kickflipping off a missile to fire a Stinger at Liquid.
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TwoPair posted:I will always love Twin Snakes though, just because its cutscenes are so over-the-top, it's ridiculous. I'll never not laugh at Snake kickflipping off a missile to fire a Stinger at Liquid. Did you forget the part where he throws a hand grenade straight down the barrel of a tank? The way I see The Twin Snakes is a retelling of MGS1. Just like stories get embellished, Solid Snake's actions become more dramatic and action-packed.
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Big Grunty Secret posted:Did you forget the part where he throws a hand grenade straight down the barrel of a tank? Somebody in the old Metal Gear thread put it like: MGS cutscenes are how it actually happened, while Twin Snakes cutscenes are how Snake tells it to everyone else.
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I've always liked to think of The Twin Snakes being Raiden's VR simulation of the Shadow Moses event. I know there is no much evidence to support it, barring a hidden VR triangle target hidden away in Rex's hangar though.
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Big Grunty Secret posted:Did you forget the part where he throws a hand grenade straight down the barrel of a tank? That was entirely the point of the Twin Snakes. The whole legend of Solid Snake and it's the kind of thing he was talking about when he was saying the man doesn't match the legend. It is the story of Shadow Moses as everyone imagines it to be after hearing about it. "OH MAN AND THEN SNAKE TOOK OUT A TANK WITH JUST A GRENADE!!" Turns *He tossed a grenade into the hatch* into *HE TOTALLY BACKFLIPPED AND THREW A GRENADE RIGHT DOWN THE BARREL!* It's hilarious and so awesome. I would love to see a MGS1 remake and include a back and forth toggle for the cutscenes that goes between MGS1 and Twin Snakes. Sort of like the Halo Anniversary edition thing.
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randombattle posted:That was entirely the point of the Twin Snakes. The whole legend of Solid Snake and it's the kind of thing he was talking about when he was saying the man doesn't match the legend. It is the story of Shadow Moses as everyone imagines it to be after hearing about it. It's a good way to look at Twin Snakes, but saying it's the "point" of it suggests intent. The people making it probably just thought they were making it extra awesome.
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Almost picked up the collectors edition of this earlier today, but most stores are pretty low on stock and I would have had to drive across town. Anyway looked online and can't find a straight answer on this. If I have a PSP with a Peacewalker UMD copy, and then the HD Collection of PS3, can the two be linked for coop missions?
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sarujin_nz posted:Almost picked up the collectors edition of this earlier today, but most stores are pretty low on stock and I would have had to drive across town. Nope, sorry.
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What I'd give for SMG to analyze the MGS series.
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Same here except with Roger Ebert.
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Midjack posted:Somebody in the old Metal Gear thread put it like: MGS cutscenes are how it actually happened, while Twin Snakes cutscenes are how Snake tells it to everyone else. There is no evidence to support this. Overall, it doesn't matter since the same poo poo happens no matter how you put it. But they did use the new voices from Twin Snakes in the sequel.
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Why am I finding the armoured vehicles in Peacewalker so hard to defeat? I know that they were designed for multiplayer but taking more than 50 RPGs to defeat one after killing all of the soldiers is silly. Its taking almost an hour for each level.  When I watch videos on youtube of people doing the same thing with the same weapons it takes 5 minutes. It was the same for me on the PSP too. What the hell am I doing wrong?
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Maybe you have weaker star versions of those weapons? The damage output of weapons increases dramatically with each additional star.
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I think most of the RPGs are 2 or 3 stars. I'm just researching everything as soon as it becomes available...
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Wikipedia Brown posted:It would be great for cooperative play. Like, "OK, now, you kick open the door, and then, well, bees." I want to shoot bees at people in a tactical squad based shooter. It would be beautiful.
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blackguy32 posted:There is no evidence to support this. Overall, it doesn't matter since the same poo poo happens no matter how you put it. But they did use the new voices from Twin Snakes in the sequel. I don't think the poster was serious; it had more to do with how TTS cutscenes tried to be more radical to the MAX.
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Galsia posted:I think most of the RPGs are 2 or 3 stars. I'm just researching everything as soon as it becomes available... You really, really need better equipment. If you're dealing with the post-game armoured stuff you should be using at least the rank 4 RPG/Gustav/LAW. Go weapon spec hunting. E: I had a custom vehicle go over an hour once. I forgot to bring any rocket launchers and had to chip away at it with an M60 (AP), with no bandana.
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Galsia posted:Why am I finding the armoured vehicles in Peacewalker so hard to defeat? I know that they were designed for multiplayer but taking more than 50 RPGs to defeat one after killing all of the soldiers is silly. Its taking almost an hour for each level. Like people said, higher stars = more damage. Aim for the gas tanks and treads/wheels, they do more damage. When you blow up a gas tank, the vehicle stops for a bit for repairs. That's when you should heal/reload/call for supplies. What I like to do is blow up a gas tank, then lay an anti-tank mine in front of the vehicle. When it starts back up, it will drive over the mine and stop again for repairs. Repeat 5 times. If you have support strike markers, a good time to use them is when the vehicle is stopped for repairs. Remember you can heal yourself by going prone and waiting a bit. Do this inside of a building, where the vehicle can't shoot you.
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