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 Trailer Beyond the Black Rainbow looks to me to be 2012's cinematic mindfuck answer to Enter the Void. It also, however, bleeds Kubrick in a multitude of ways, at least from what I've seen from the trailer. The film is set in 1983, and is a sort of fever dream inspired by the director's life around the world; his experience living a year in Mexico and seeing their bizarre interpretation of American pop culture shaped his creative design. He was also influenced by science fiction horror and fantasy art, which lead to this sort of bizarre blend. As far as the plot goes, it's about a young girl held captive in a mental institute, Arboria. Her therapist, Dr. Barry Nyle, submits her to deranged sessions of mind control. If she wants to escape, she has to brave the horrors of the institute. I'm not quite sure if it's a horror film, or just a psychedelic trip into madness. Beyond the Black Rainbow comes out in theaters and on Amazon VOD in late spring. Azure_Horizon fucked around with this message at Feb 13, 2012 around 07:41 |
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Azure_Horizon posted:I'm not quite sure if it's a horror film, or just a psychedelic trip into madness. It's the latter. It's a plotless film that exists as a pastiche of sci-fi films. I think it tried to weave them together to create a narrative, but it fails miserably. Instead it tries to substitue using trippy imagery. It's incredibly slow, and boring. The characters are just there, there's nothing to define them, there's nothing that would pull a person into being with this film. I'm still shocked that this was picked up for distribution... It fails on every level of storytelling. Comparing it to ENTER THE VOID or Kubrick is downright laughable.
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| # ? Feb 13, 2012 07:58 |
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NeuroticErotica posted:It's the latter. It's a plotless film that exists as a pastiche of sci-fi films. I think it tried to weave them together to create a narrative, but it fails miserably. Instead it tries to substitue using trippy imagery. That's really unfortunate. The only reason I made those comparisons is that there are Kubrick-esque shots all over the trailer and Enter the Void is also psychedelic and often used trippy imagery to cover up a weak narrative.
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| # ? Feb 13, 2012 08:02 |
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Azure_Horizon posted:That's really unfortunate. The only reason I made those comparisons is that there are Kubrick-esque shots all over the trailer and Enter the Void is also psychedelic and often used trippy imagery to cover up a weak narrative. A lot of people use the Kubrick comparison but they forget that Kubrick came up with those shots and wasn't imitating.
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| # ? Feb 13, 2012 08:06 |
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NeuroticErotica posted:A lot of people use the Kubrick comparison but they forget that Kubrick came up with those shots and wasn't imitating. Well, my excitement for the film has been dramatically lessened. I still plan on seeing it, though. I've been looking at reviews and it looks to be as divisive as Enter the Void was, and since I loved that film I think I might enjoy this one despite the narrative problems. Azure_Horizon fucked around with this message at Feb 13, 2012 around 08:13 |
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I'm just judging from the trailer, but it seems to me that a person's enjoyment of this film will hinge on 2 prerequisites: 1. A nostalgiac fondness of late 70s / early 80s sci-fi, and 2. Indulging in your drug of choice prior to viewing. I'll definitely check it out when it's released.
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haunted sleep posted:I'm just judging from the trailer, but it seems to me that a person's enjoyment of this film will hinge on 2 prerequisites: Oh yeah, definitely. From what I've garnered from reviews, it's a huge fanwank to many directors of 70s and 80s sci-fi and horror, but at the same time has a copious amount of visuals that would definitely be helped by drug usage. Either way, it piqued my curiousity. The soundtrack is also awesome.
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| # ? Feb 13, 2012 20:53 |
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Given that it's set in Mexico and the new age imagery, I'm willing to bet there's more than a bit of from Jodorowsky as well.
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| # ? Feb 14, 2012 03:08 |
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I saw this at AFI and enjoyed it well enough for what it was - Pink Floyd laser light show the movie. There's no coherent narrative, which is fine and dandy, but there also doesn't seem to be a purpose other than Panos Cosmatos (who seems to be an amiable enough neckbearded fella) getting his kicks off. My tolerance for self-indulgent nonsense can be quite high if the aesthetics appeal, just don't expect anything more than an incredibly expensive student film.
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| # ? Feb 14, 2012 10:08 |
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A feature-length anti-narrative film that uses abstract imagery instead of dialogue-based 'content' is being picked up for a relatively wide distribution? This is a real travesty, let me tell ya! There aren't even deep characters. How can I pay attention?
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SuperMechagodzilla posted:A feature-length anti-narrative film that uses abstract imagery instead of dialogue-based 'content' is being picked up for a relatively wide distribution? This is a real travesty, let me tell ya! There aren't even deep characters. How can I pay attention? http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=IKrkpywb7aQ
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| # ? Feb 14, 2012 12:14 |
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I honestly thought the problem with Enter The Void is that it had a story.
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| # ? Feb 14, 2012 19:53 |
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NeuroticErotica posted:http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=IKrkpywb7aQ And the problem is...?
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| # ? Feb 14, 2012 21:03 |
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I'm a bit unclear on the "sci fi film pastiche" aspect of this. Are all of these shots literally taken from other films and given another context? Or is it just the general aesthetic that calls back the 70s-80s sci fi era?
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| # ? Feb 14, 2012 21:16 |
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The shots appear to be new, just done in the style of older scifi. Clean white rooms, 70's suit, mod jumpsuit, 70's furniture (Verner Panton S chairs), radial and concentric composition (Kubrick's sort of thing), simple geometric shapes, chromatic aberration, vector graphics, hipstamatic colors. On top of that you have an "evil genius" drilling a definition of reality into the subject's head and the subject trying to break out, which is a staple of 60's and 70's scifi. Steve Yun fucked around with this message at Feb 14, 2012 around 21:33 |
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the Bunt posted:I'm a bit unclear on the "sci fi film pastiche" aspect of this. Are all of these shots literally taken from other films and given another context? Or is it just the general aesthetic that calls back the 70s-80s sci fi era? There's some new ones, but some are recreations.
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| # ? Feb 14, 2012 21:41 |
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The trailer is a neat two and a half minutes, but it also gives me the distinct feeling that much more than that would start to test my (and most audience's) attention span (and recreational drugs are not in my future.) It sucks, because I love the 70s sci-fi aesthetic... and despite their campyness, movies like Logan's Run and the like are infinitely fascinating to me from a design standpoint. Gotta say that the poster is fantastic, though.
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| # ? Feb 14, 2012 21:51 |
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This looks pretty interesting. Even if it turns out to be a movie you put on in the background or something. Or only watch while on acid with some whippets. Enter the Void seemed like a movie I would love, from the talk I heard about it. But there were a bunch of things I loving hated about it (felt like they were pandering too hard to the drug kids) and I didn't even finish it. I think if this film doesn't have a "clear story" then that might be a good thing. I'm kind of into stream of consciousness stuff anyway. I'm gonna check it out none the less, so thanks for bringing it to my attention OP.
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| # ? Feb 14, 2012 22:17 |
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RizieN posted:Enter the Void seemed like a movie I would love, from the talk I heard about it. But there were a bunch of things I loving hated about it (felt like they were pandering too hard to the drug kids) and I didn't even finish it. Wait, either you're saying it's pandering by glamorizing drug use (which it most definitely is not) or that it's pandering by being prime tripping material (holy poo poo, it most definitely is not).
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| # ? Feb 14, 2012 22:25 |
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No, just the conversations people had in the film reminded me of the festival hippies that I can't stand to talk to. I'm a big advocate of DMT and am fascinated by it and the 'death trip'. But the movie just felt... I mean it kind of seemed like the director or writer knew about DMT, unlike most films about psychedelics, but it also felt dumbed down and...I don't know, kind of stupid. It just seems like a movie some festival hippie will tell me I HAVE TO SEE BRO, TRIPPY poo poo, MAKES YOU THINK DUDE... I guess Pandering is the wrong term, maybe I felt it wasn't authentic? Or... I actually can't describe my distaste for the film other than the language used in the dialogues, and some of the filming/camera shots. I guess Christmas on Mars would be pandering to drug kids, because its prime trip material and the Flaming Lips like to pretend they're the perfect acid head artists, at least Wayne does. Enter the Void just felt 'off' to me. I mean it was better than hollywood's ideas of what tripping is like, and I like that they went into the ideas about death and DMT, but I just didn't like it for some reason. Maybe I'll give it another go.
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| # ? Feb 14, 2012 22:31 |
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I sort of just want to see it because the poster in the op reminds me of being a kid in the 80s, touring the horror/scifi aisles in the video store by the local bowling alley every Friday, before picking something that my parents would actually let me watch. So I guess I've got a bad case of #1 on haunted sleep's list.
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| # ? Feb 14, 2012 23:05 |
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HUNDU THE BEAST GOD posted:I honestly thought the problem with Enter The Void is that it had a story. I pretty much agree.
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| # ? Feb 15, 2012 00:10 |
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Steve Yun posted:chromatic aberration, hipstamatic colors. I don't see any abnormal CA and those are push processed reversal and positive degradation colors. Plus some simulation of multiple generations of duping.[/sperging] More seriously, I do think that the DP deserves props for being such an astute student of the aesthetic qualities/defects of the era's processes, and then using them to good effect. He could have easily resorted to hipstamatic-like approximations. It's too bad the rest of the film sounds so lazy...
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| # ? Feb 15, 2012 01:52 |
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the Bunt posted:I'm a bit unclear on the "sci fi film pastiche" aspect of this. Are all of these shots literally taken from other films and given another context? Or is it just the general aesthetic that calls back the 70s-80s sci fi era? Basically there's a lot of shots and usage of color that LOOK like they were taken from any number of sci-fi films and other director's work from the era, but tweaked slightly or moreso to look unique at the same time. If anything, despite a weak narrative, the film is vibrant and the production values are through the roof despite being made on a small budget. Same thing with Enter the Void, though you'd be hard-pressed to find a movie with visuals like that.
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| # ? Feb 15, 2012 02:20 |
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There is definitely a better time to be had at this film than Enter the Void. If you want lazy, crosscut between a sex scene and the image of breastfeeding. None of that here, just cool loving colors and poo poo.
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| # ? Feb 15, 2012 08:14 |
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So I gave Enter the Void another chance... still hated it. So in conclusion if;NeuroticErotica posted:Comparing it to ENTER THE VOID is downright laughable. then hopefully I'll dig Beyond the Black Rainbow.
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| # ? Feb 15, 2012 18:51 |
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There are definitely some shots in the trailer that look like they're directly out of THX1138 (but its been a while since I've watched THX, maybe I'm wrong). Its personally a little annoying to me that many of the most unique films I've seen in stylistic and visual terms are mired in so much mystical bullshit. I love Jodorowsky for everything except for what his films are actually about. Enter the Void is one of the most memorable theater experiences I've ever had (and I see a LOT of movies) but a large section of its themes were really just so much chaff to me. There are a lot of lesser examples too, movies like Donnie Darko I really wish I could like, but they're buried in lovely nonsense plots.
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| # ? Feb 15, 2012 19:51 |
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NeuroticErotica posted:It's the latter. It's a plotless film that exists as a pastiche of sci-fi films. I think it tried to weave them together to create a narrative, but it fails miserably. Instead it tries to substitue using trippy imagery. That's funny, because it sounds like you just described Enter the Void 
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WOLF KIDULT MAN posted:There is definitely a better time to be had at this film than Enter the Void. If you want lazy, crosscut between a sex scene and the image of breastfeeding. None of that here, just cool loving colors and poo poo. Oh definitely. Enter the Void is really more about a trippy experience, with a dashing of Tibetan myth or whatever, and some absolutely gorgeous visuals. This film, however, doesn't really bombard you with the same level of meandering. Not that it doesn't occasionally wander like EtV, though.
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| # ? Feb 16, 2012 01:37 |
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I don't know man, I think Enter the Void would have been the exact same movie if they took out all the drug references. It was more like a dead kids soul watching random poo poo happen after his death, loosely related to the people he knew, his soul was just floating/wandering around. There was a lot of talk of drugs and DMT & the Tibetan Book of the Dead, but there wasn't really a common thread that tied the movie and all the psychonaut & spiritual conversations together, to me anyway. And I didn't think the visuals were entirely all that great. The Fountain and more interesting visuals that reflected more of the DMT experience than EtV did.
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| # ? Feb 16, 2012 03:38 |
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MANIFEST DESTINY posted:There are definitely some shots in the trailer that look like they're directly out of THX1138 (but its been a while since I've watched THX, maybe I'm wrong). Its personally a little annoying to me that many of the most unique films I've seen in stylistic and visual terms are mired in so much mystical bullshit. I love Jodorowsky for everything except for what his films are actually about. Enter the Void is one of the most memorable theater experiences I've ever had (and I see a LOT of movies) but a large section of its themes were really just so much chaff to me. There are a lot of lesser examples too, movies like Donnie Darko I really wish I could like, but they're buried in lovely nonsense plots. You have to expect mystical bullshit in Jodorowsky's movies, I mean he studied "psychomagic".
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Desperado Bones posted:You have to expect mystical bullshit in Jodorowsky's movies, I mean he studied "psychomagic". Oh I know I have to expect it in his movies, I was just lamenting that I'd like to see a movie done with such visual and stylistic flair that wasn't so new-agey.
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MANIFEST DESTINY posted:Oh I know I have to expect it in his movies, I was just lamenting that I'd like to see a movie done with such visual and stylistic flair that wasn't so new-agey. Check out Soviet science fiction films from the 70's and 80's. Tarkovsky's Solaris is a good one.
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I imagine this is what indoctrination into Scientology is like. To a certain extent it reminds me of some kind of primal therapy, in which the patient is completely lost in the madness of it all. What I found interesting is that in no scene does this woman come into contact with another person; imagine the sense of isolation and disconnect from being permanently separated by plexiglass.
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| # ? Feb 16, 2012 22:26 |
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It almost seems like the lack of narrative is supposed to make it seem kind of like some sort of recruitment video. In an attempt to brainwash the audience or something.
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| # ? Feb 16, 2012 22:51 |
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Mr.48 posted:Check out Soviet science fiction films from the 70's and 80's. Tarkovsky's Solaris is a good one. Actually you're right, seen a few of these and they're a good example that I just somehow forgot about. 
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| # ? Feb 16, 2012 23:16 |
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Having gone to the arboria.org website, I'm utterly convinced this is less a narrative and more of a love poem to '70s science-fiction...
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| # ? Feb 17, 2012 02:14 |
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Considering that's very literally what it's being advertised as (Magnet's press blurb calls it a Reagan-era fever dream inspired by hazy memories of old sci-fi movies) I'd say that's a fair judgment. Also god loving drat I want to see this.
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| # ? Feb 20, 2012 23:09 |
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Extremely hyped for this, can't wait until it hits VOD!
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Young Freud posted:Even though I posted this, I just realized that the "video box" art has Dr. Nyle literally flipping his wig. You can see the toupee flying off in the background.
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