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Persona 2 has a great story and fantastic characters, but god drat, I hate its battle system and its dungeons. The battle system is better than Persona 1's, but that's really not difficult. Innocent Sin on PSP is a little nicer since it allows the player to speed up battles by skipping animations, but the PSX original of Eternal Punishment is still painful to play. I don't want to discourage anyone from playing them because the story really is that enjoyable, but it's still a trudge, especially considering how much fun I have with P4's battles.
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kirbysuperstar posted:Except that P1 has fundamentally broken combat while the other old MegaTen games (MT1/2, SMT1/2, even Majin Tensei) are at least playable. Broken in what regard? Is anything more broken than Mahamaon/Mamudaon with boosts ect. The PSP remake of P1 is perfectly playable and incredible enjoyable dungeon crawler with two full storylines.
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| # ? May 21, 2013 04:30 |
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Belzac posted:Broken in what regard? Is anything more broken than Mahamaon/Mamudaon with boosts ect. The PSP remake of P1 is perfectly playable and incredible enjoyable dungeon crawler with two full storylines. The terrible positioning system? The way EXP is given out? Those two combined meaning that some characters will inevitably end up as dead weight?
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Yeah... it's really just not well thought out. All characters use different melee weapons and different guns. All weapons and guns have different ranges from where the characters can attack. Characters like Masao, who wields an axe, have incredibly strange hitboxes. Sometimes, if you're really unlucky, the position you have your characters set in can prevent some of them from even attacking an enemy at all if they pop in their own little sweet spots. You can focus on the Persona to deal damage instead then, but hell, the Personas take forever to level up too. Many of them won't start out with a single physical or magical attack, instead opting for a status debuff. Eventually they'll learn something useful, but that doesn't change the fact that it forces the player to grind to have any chance. Hell, speaking of Masao again, he's often the character on my team who gets "left behind" when my others are leveling up. His hitboxes are just so ridiculous that if I were to put him in a better spot, it would be to the detriment of my other party members by screwing up their attack locations in the process. Maybe we should talk about the weapons themselves, I guess? The in-game stores all suck and barely sell anything useful outside of a change of guns and armor. If I want a good physical weapon, it's luck of the drop. Last time I started playing, I got all the way to Ayase and Nanjo was still equipped with a friggin' Mop. Honestly, there is no reason to ever play Persona 1 on anything higher than Easy. Even on the lowest difficulty, the battle system is the antithesis of fun and the game continues to be a chore. I enjoy the characters and plot (like with P2) and the PSP version has a  soundtrack, but I can't recommend the game to anyone in good conscience just because of how painful the battles are. If I'm missing something here, I'd love to know because I want to enjoy the game enough to play through to the end one more time, but it's... like it actively tries to prevent me from playing it.
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The Grimace posted:I enjoy the characters and plot (like with P2) and the PSP version has a Pretty much. I ended up just CWCheating my way through it. Bloody Destiny and A Lone Prayer are pretty great, even though they sound like they'd be more suited to something like Outrun 2006.
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The Grimace posted:and the PSP version has a No, no it didn't. The PSP version gutted out the original's pretty cool soundtrack, which is really one of the only positives things about the game in general, for new J-Pop battle themes that suck. Of course, the major reason they were changed was probably so they could try and help capture the people that hopped on the series with P3. The rest of that post I agree with though, especially with that incredibly awful EXP system. Also, P1 has some pretty terrible dungeon gimmicks that find ways to drag the game down even further. My personal favorite dick move forces you to march past the only save point in the final dungeon with no way to access to it, but I heard the PSP version added more save points in the final dungeon.
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You're free to not like the new songs but being a song with a japanese singer doesn't make something J-Pop. J-Pop songs are a hell of a lot more bubbly and catchy than the P1PSP songs.
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Panopticon has been revealed as Freedom Wars, a Japanese Vita multiplayer action game for 2014 edit: Trailer is available on Japan PSN What's New, is the same as the original trailer but with more dramatic text and a title. Policenaut fucked around with this message at May 21, 2013 around 08:34 |
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If there's one thing Sony handhelds need more of, it's hunting action games. Oh well, whatever sells, I guess. At least this one looks more interesting than, say, the one Omega Force are doing.
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The genre, according to the trailer, is "Recovery Multiplayer Action". No idea what that means. Sony Europe has a trademark for Freedom Wars as well, so this might be something coming overseas as well. Maybe we'll see it at E3.
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Policenaut posted:The genre, according to the trailer, is "Recovery Multiplayer Action". No idea what that means. I'm guessing, just based off what they're saying, that there is going to be some element of location capture/area liberation involved.
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Duckroll/GAF posted:Freedom Wars is a brand new game which aims to offer a new gaming experience in the popular multiplayer action genre by taking advantage of the PS Vita's unique functions. The player is a criminal in a post-apocalyptic near future, sentenced to a million years of hard labor, fighting for his freedom. By completing missions where you rescue civilians and allies who have been captured by huge enemies known as Abductors, you can reduce your sentence. The game supports a maximum of 8 players at a time in both co-op and competitive modes, and supports Adhoc and Wi-Fi Online functions so players all over the country can play together. The game will also support the GPS and Near capabilities of the PS Vita to enhance the gameplay experience. It'll be interesting to see whether the ingame Panopticons actually correspond to real world cities.    (new stuff will be revealed every few days)
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Well, I take back what I said, that actually sounds pretty interesting.
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It's never going to leave Japan, is it? 
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Fancy Hat! posted:It's never going to leave Japan, is it? Policenaut posted:Sony Europe has a trademark for Freedom Wars as well, so this might be something coming overseas as well. Maybe we'll see it at E3. 
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e:THAT^^Fancy Hat! posted:It's never leaving Japan, is it? I believe the "Freedom Wars" trademark was registered in Europe and the USA besides Japan, plus we got SS, so chances aren't null.
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Thank goodness. It looks like a more interesting God Eater.
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Yup, I think I'm going to buy this game.
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If they're so short on resources, why are they be rewarded for saving people?
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If anything this new game is strong evidence that Sony is still behind supporting the Vita.
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For those who can't see it, this is the updated trailer for Freedom Wars http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Ho5OR6Xl1xY As I said before, it's the same trailer as the last one but with more dramatic (Japanese) text and a logo.
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I can't tell for sure what they're doing, but it would be interesting to play in a semi-procedurally generated world that's actually based on the layouts of real cities.
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The trailer is far too exciting, which leads me to believe actual gameplay will probably be turn based S/T-RPG or something similarly non-stimulating in comparison.
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So for those who are down with it, Class of Heroes 2 is coming to the PSN on June 4th. $24.99, Vita compatible. Click the link to see some trailers and such.
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Policenaut posted:So for those who are down with it, Class of Heroes 2 is coming to the PSN on June 4th. Yeah they also did a limited preorder for the physical game recently that comes with a digital code. So I'll get to play it on my Vita while keeping my copy of the rarest PSP game in existence sealed 
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So hey, If you buy Ratchet & Clank: Full Frontal Assault, you not only get the PS3 version but also the HD Remake they did of Ratchet Dealocked thrown in as well! They must really want people to get it. But it's Ratchet, so I may as well! I remember Deadlocked not exactly being the best of the PS2 Ratchets, but it was still pretty fun.
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Anyone else having trouble downloading/installing Pinball Arcade? I've tried four times now and half way through the download it tries to install and fails. And then the download continues, finishes, and then sits at the "waiting to install" message forever.
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If anyone cares, Hakuoki: Warriors of the Shinsengumi for PSP is now Vita compatible.Soma Soma Soma posted:Anyone else having trouble downloading/installing Pinball Arcade? I've tried four times now and half way through the download it tries to install and fails. And then the download continues, finishes, and then sits at the "waiting to install" message forever. Yechezkel was mentioning he was having problems with it too.
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My problem is kind of different. I got the demo downloaded without problems, and I see a service file in the service list that unlocks the game, but the game stays as a demo.
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I tried putting my Vita in safe mode and restoring the database (which reset all of my awesome folder organization, hooray!) but the Pinball game install is still screwed up. If I try to manually redownload it from the store page instead of the download list it gives a error saying "The connection to the server or device has been lost (NP-2244-2)" After trying again and getting error C2-12383-7, a bit of googling turned up numerous forum posts saying that people are having problems installing Pinball Arcade. Oh well.
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Ryoshi posted:Is this actually the case? When the Vita launched and most companies dropped their digital PSP game prices in an attempt for quick sales, Atlus was noticeably absent. It took a month or two before their first sale, if I'm remembering correctly. Well, I saw it on sale couple times over last say 6 months or so. It's not every months for certain, but it does go on sale. On action games. Well, there is new Ys in September, Muramasa in June (I think) and Dragon's Crown in August. There is also Tearaway, but it's more a platformer. What about Guacamelee? That's somewhat of an action game. For PSP, there are couple God of War games, there is Tomb Raider, then there is Castelvania remake (dracula something or other), and I am sure a lot more, but those are what I have. Btw, Class of Heroes 2 does look interesting, and I did get a physical PSP copy alongside PSN download code as well. Here is hoping it does well enough for CoH3 to come over. Edit: Freedom Wars actually looks moderately interesting depending on where Sony goes with it. Apparently in Japan different prefectures would be different Panopticons which makes for kind of cool insta-rivalries. Not sure how it would work out in the rest of the world. Maybe they could do it by regions in US/EU. oblomov fucked around with this message at May 22, 2013 around 04:06 |
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Apparently I'm the only one who was able to install the pinball game, no problem whatsoever. You can tell, because I've just sunk two hours into the Black Hole table.
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http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=SLrSA0w7v1g This is Dying: Sinner Escape, a strange survival horror puzzle game oriented around room escape ala Virtue's Last Reward. It's coming out on the PSN on May 25th. The trailer just kind of ends in the middle and repeats for some reason.
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I was wondering about dungeon/overworld crawler, and I only know of a few that are on the Vita: Book of Memories, Guardian Heroes (I think) and Ragnarok Odyssey. I've played the demo version of all three games, but I didn't like neither the Book of Memories nor Guardian Heroes, and am mildly interested in Ragnarok Odyssey, so I'd like anyone who has actually played the game to give me some informed opinion about the game, namely is there much more to the game than it is revealed in the demo - new moves, classes, a plethora of various rare weapons and armour to find and so on. And can I actually run around the overworld without choosing a mission, like in the Phantasy Star Online, or is the area confined to the mission selected, like in Phantasy Star Portable. I heard that an enhanced version of the game (RO:Ace?) is being released sometime soon, but I suppose if the base version doesn't have much to interest me, I'd not really care about the Ace, and I don't really want to buy the game just to check that, hence my questions. I know there's also PSO2, but I'd rather not import it, at least the PC version can be patched into English. Also, if there are more games in this style (even on the PSP) please tell.
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Policenaut posted:So for those who are down with it, Class of Heroes 2 is coming to the PSN on June 4th. Class of Heroes 1 was not that great! I don't know how different this one is but if you want a first person dungeon crawler by Atlus where you get to pick and choose classes get Etrian Odyssey.
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THE AWESOME GHOST posted:Class of Heroes 1 was not that great! I don't know how different this one is but if you want a first person dungeon crawler by Atlus where you get to pick and choose classes get Etrian Odyssey. Class of Heroes was literally one of the early Wizardry games with a highschool anime skin. If they've put a plot in there and beefed up the combat system a bit it might be worth it. I'll probably spring for it anyway because I'm a sucker.
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Here's some previews for Luftrausers, Jacob Jones and the Bigfoot Mystery, and Men's Room Mayhem from the PS Blog. Oh and a translated preview from Famitsu about Freedom Wars. Neat note: FW's producer also did Patapon and Over My Dead Body (Japan's analog to the West's indescribable love for The Legend of Dragoon). If anyone cares about weird JRPGs that may/may not come overseas, Conception 2 is getting a demo on Japan's PSN next month. Maybe it'll be decent? And here's a trailer I missed for Ragnarok Odyssey Ace http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vUqrkfEFhhU Szurumbur posted:I was wondering about dungeon/overworld crawler, and I only know of a few that are on the Vita: Book of Memories, Guardian Heroes (I think) and Ragnarok Odyssey. I've played the demo version of all three games, but I didn't like neither the Book of Memories nor Guardian Heroes, and am mildly interested in Ragnarok Odyssey, so I'd like anyone who has actually played the game to give me some informed opinion about the game, namely is there much more to the game than it is revealed in the demo - new moves, classes, a plethora of various rare weapons and armour to find and so on. And can I actually run around the overworld without choosing a mission, like in the Phantasy Star Online, or is the area confined to the mission selected, like in Phantasy Star Portable. I heard that an enhanced version of the game (RO:Ace?) is being released sometime soon, but I suppose if the base version doesn't have much to interest me, I'd not really care about the Ace, and I don't really want to buy the game just to check that, hence my questions. Ragnarok Odyssey does have a bunch of other moves/commands you can learn and lots of loot to collect, but I don't believe there are more classes and you can't run around the overworld freely. Ace is being released this August in Japan and is supposedly coming overseas, but XSEED hasn't said anything about it yet and we're probably waiting until E3 to learn more. Considering we already know XSEED's Vita efforts (Valhalla Knights 3 and Ys) for the latter half of the year, the wait for Ace might be longer than you expect. The game is designed to accept save data from the original, so it wouldn't hurt to buy the base game and transfer in a year's time to Ace.
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Policenaut posted:Oh and a translated preview from Famitsu about Freedom Wars. Neat note: FW's producer also did Patapon and Over My Dead Body (Japan's analog to the West's indescribable love for The Legend of Dragoon). Please oh please don't let the customizable dress up doll "Accessory" android be female only, please.  The article isn't too specific, but for someone with a superficial understanding of the hunting action genre, there wasn't anything in there that sounded especially unique.
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Policenaut posted:Ragnarok Odyssey does have a bunch of other moves/commands you can learn and lots of loot to collect, but I don't believe there are more classes and you can't run around the overworld freely. Ace is being released this August in Japan and is supposedly coming overseas, but XSEED hasn't said anything about it yet and we're probably waiting until E3 to learn more. Considering we already know XSEED's Vita efforts (Valhalla Knights 3 and Ys) for the latter half of the year, the wait for Ace might be longer than you expect. The game is designed to accept save data from the original, so it wouldn't hurt to buy the base game and transfer in a year's time to Ace. Does the armour change a character's appearance, or do only costumes do that (since I've heard the free DLC costumes were pulled from the PSN store)? Also, are there MAG-like NPCs that can accompany my character? I think I like the game's aesthetics, and it doesn't seem to take itself too seriously, which I also like - does it change later, or does the game stay mostly cheerful and colourful throughout its course (although I don't even know if there's a dedicated Story Mode  )?Sorry for the torrent of questions, but if I'd be to spend tens of hours collecting loot and killing things it's be great if I was mostly sure about it.
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Szurumbur posted:Does the armour change a character's appearance, or do only costumes do that (since I've heard the free DLC costumes were pulled from the PSN store)? Armor doesn't matter - there's no DEF modification other than the innate one your class gets, and any cards you put on top. In this case 'armor' = 'costume'. Different outfits have different numbers of slots for cards, but all of them can be improved upon, so it's mostly just dress-up. quote:Also, are there MAG-like NPCs that can accompany my character? Nope. quote:... does the game stay mostly cheerful and colourful throughout its course (although I don't even know if there's a dedicated Story Mode The game has a reasonablish plot about giants repeatedly assaulting the place you're stationed in, but you have to go out of your way to talk to the NPCs between battles to actually uncover it. Other than that, yes, the game remains very happy-go-lucky. It's much more a fast 3D beat-em-up than a Monster Hunter.
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