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HK5000: Sep 11, 2001; It's the Evolution Revolution.

Is there a way to set the population limit in the newest release? I'm still pretty new to the game and missing my lazy newb pack mod. I'm only about 3 years or so in on my fort and i've got 200 dwarves, 80 or so which are children. This is a fortress dammit not dwarven daycare.

# ? May 26, 2012 01:41

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# ? May 18, 2013 22:59

Maelin: Aug 12, 2007

Should read Headshoots before Syrupleaf, otherwise half the stuff won't make sense. Also for the moment of that incredible artifact adamantine breastplate

Or am I getting confused about which one was which?

# ? May 26, 2012 02:02

willus: Feb 17, 2011; the chillest

HK5000 posted:

Is there a way to set the population limit in the newest release? I'm still pretty new to the game and missing my lazy newb pack mod. I'm only about 3 years or so in on my fort and i've got 200 dwarves, 80 or so which are children. This is a fortress dammit not dwarven daycare.

If you go in to /data/init in the Dwarf Fortress folder there should be an init.txt file and a d_init.txt file, one of which contains the population limits.

# ? May 26, 2012 03:48

Internet Kraken: Apr 24, 2010; Slightly Amused

HK5000 posted:

Is there a way to set the population limit in the newest release? I'm still pretty new to the game and missing my lazy newb pack mod. I'm only about 3 years or so in on my fort and i've got 200 dwarves, 80 or so which are children. This is a fortress dammit not dwarven daycare.

Go into the data and then init folder. In the d_init text fiel you'll find the
[POPULATION_CAP:200] tag, which you can modify to whatever you want the forts population to be. This will only prevent migrants from showing up after you go past that number of dwarves though.

# ? May 26, 2012 03:48

Elth: Jul 28, 2011

Is there an IRC or something to discuss the next LP? I haven't flexed my creative muscle in a while, and according to the last LPs, contributing sounds like a blast.

# ? May 26, 2012 06:13

GulMadred: Oct 19, 2005; I don't understand how you can be so mistaken.

super fart shooter posted:

Finally got frustrated and zoomed to the spikes from the stocks menu; they were being carried by a very thirsty dwarf running around in circles. I forbade the bin to try and make him drop it and the game crashed. Hauling changes

This bug report comes from a few pages back, but I accidentally reproduced it in one of my saved games and I can provide some information for anyone else who encounters it.

the bug is caused by a Buridan's rear end scenario which emerges because DF's distance-finding algorithm doesn't understand paths
- a dwarf has been assigned a "Store Item in Bin" job which includes two items, A and B
- the dwarf AI decides that item A is closer and begins to move towards it
- the dwarf's path to item A is convoluted, and at a certain point he finds himself closer to item B
- the dwarf AI decides that item B is closer and begins to move towards it
- the dwarf's path to item B is convoluted, and at a certain point he finds himself closer to item A
- GOTO 10
A and B can be clusters/piles rather than individual items; the outcome is the same
the problem can occur with hairpin corners and circuitous vein-mining, but the most common cause for the hauling cycle is that items A and B are on different z-levels
as noted, forbidding the hauled item (bin) will crash the game
- forbidding either of the target items will remove it from the "Store Item in Bin" job and thereby break the hauling cycle (note: the [j]obs menu will identify all of the items involved, but if they're generic things like "granite boulder" then your task will be painful)
  - the underlying logic/pathfinding problem persists; if you unforbid the target item(s) before the other set has been collected then the problem is likely to recur
the bin need not contain any job-flagged items for the bug to occur; I encountered it with an empty bin which was assigned to a stockpile but which had not yet received any contents
autodump doesn't help (it can't move or destroy the items because they're all job-flagged; it will however forbid the bin and thereby crash the game)
placing a dump/melt designation on the bin accomplishes nothing; the dwarf keeps hauling it back and forth
drafting the dwarf into the military (and giving him a Station order) will usually make him drop the bin
- the underlying logic/pathfinding problem persists; another dwarf will eventually show up and resume the carry-it-back-and-forth task
- if you dump/melt the bin before drafting its carrier then the cycle will be temporarily broken
- remember that the problem is caused by the relative position of the target items rather than a defective bin; there's still a risk that the problem will recur if another bin is assigned to the stockpile and then a dwarf attempts to collect the items in question
if the stuff above wasn't helpful, then you could try constructing stairs or ramps near the confused dwarf in order to resolve the pathfinding cycle

# ? May 26, 2012 06:24

Omnicarus: Jan 16, 2006

Has there been a change to the Cavern generation perimeters? I used to be able to generate huge, open caverns with a density min-max of 0 and an openness of 100. I tried to do that again today with several trial runs and the best I've gotten are a few dozen pillars running floor to ceiling.

# ? May 26, 2012 17:24

Leperflesh: May 17, 2007; Dwarf tits for the blood god!

SPERG FOR THE SPERG GOD

Elth posted:

Is there an IRC or something to discuss the next LP? I haven't flexed my creative muscle in a while, and according to the last LPs, contributing sounds like a blast.

I believe there is a DF channel on synirc, but I don't hang out there. If you have some ideas feel free to post them here, PM me, or send me an email (leperflesh at gee mail dot com).

Once the LP gets going, everyone interested in overseeing will have equal chances to get a turn - I'll hold a quick lottery each time there's a turn up, and those who are interested at that moment in running the next turn can put their names in the hat. Of course this means there's no guarantee, but I think it will keep the LP moving, be fair to everyone who wants to play, and avoid (perceived or actual) favoritism.

# ? May 26, 2012 17:30

Antitonic: Sep 24, 2011; Invented By Gandhi

The Mountainhomes must be full of legendary clothiers. Otherwise, I can't think of a reason that a trader would consider a single sock to be "trading at a loss" against 10 gold bars.

Well, besides "It's Dwarf Fortress" and "they're bastards", I mean.

# ? May 27, 2012 04:44

children overboard: Apr 3, 2009

Awesome. Creatures can be knocked back by crossbow bolts now. It only flew one square until it collided with the Trade Depot. That'll teach it for trying to steal the random poo poo lying around my fort's entrance!

# ? May 27, 2012 11:13

Boing: Jul 12, 2005; trapped in custom title factory, send help

Toady might have lowered the force threshold for knocking creatures away (as part of the minecart rules) - I don't think the Trade Depot is solid and the combat report says the kobold only hit the ground, so I think it was only enough for one square. But bashing goblins with warhammers might be more exciting now.

# ? May 27, 2012 11:15

scamtank: Feb 24, 2011; my desire to just be a FUCKING IDIOT all day long is rapidly overtaking my ability to FUNCTION

i suspect that means i'm MENTALLY ILL

Boing posted:

Toady might have lowered the force threshold for knocking creatures away (as part of the minecart rules) - I don't think the Trade Depot is solid and the combat report says the kobold only hit the ground, so I think it was only enough for one square. But bashing goblins with warhammers might be more exciting now.

I think the old and the new code are clashing somehow. I just hit the arena as a dwarf to slap around some kobolds, but only crossbow hits would propel them back. Not even skilled warhammer swings could move them, as per the science Urist da Vinci put out before the minecart debacle.

# ? May 27, 2012 11:31

Wozbo: Jul 5, 2010

Its simple: New projectile code.

# ? May 27, 2012 12:57

Royal W: Jun 20, 2008

Maelin posted:

Should read Headshoots before Syrupleaf, otherwise half the stuff won't make sense. Also for the moment of that incredible artifact adamantine breastplate

Or am I getting confused about which one was which?

Definitely this. Headshoots and Syrupleaf ran together hand in hand in my mind, so I have trouble telling them apart. By itself, Syrupleaf is not much more than a bunch of in-jokes and monsters you don't understand; but as a sequel to Headshoots, it makes more sense.
Also, those were my first (and only) LPs so far.

# ? May 27, 2012 14:42

Elth: Jul 28, 2011

I think I found a new bug

I was testing throwing mechanics in Arena mode, had two bronze colossi go after each other. One of them loses an arm and suddenly starts spewing purple �'s everywhere.

The other colossus is constantly hitting him in the nonexistent lower left arm, spawning a "Bronze Colossus 2's partial remains" with every hit.

I took control over the first colossus, and I didn't have the left lower arm as a target. When I exited, they started fighting like normal again.

EDIT: The first Bronze Colossus turned the second Bronze Colossus into a statue of himself.

EDIT2: vvvvvvvv It's like he carved the other colossus into his own likeness. I didn't even know arena creatures were 'stored' as possible art subjects, even in their own little arena instance.

EDIT3: I realize how confusing my wording is. Colossus 1 kills Colossus 2. Colossus 2 turns into a statue of Colossus 1.

Elth fucked around with this message at May 27, 2012 around 16:30

# ? May 27, 2012 15:30

scamtank: Feb 24, 2011; my desire to just be a FUCKING IDIOT all day long is rapidly overtaking my ability to FUNCTION

i suspect that means i'm MENTALLY ILL

Elth posted:

EDIT: The first Bronze Colossus turned the second Bronze Colossus into a statue of himself.

At least that's within normal parameters. Colossus "corpses" are masterwork statues using a special tag in the raws.

That aside,

. See if you can repeat it, that could end up interesting.

edit: Did hunk 2 turn into a statue of hunk 1? what

edit2:

scamtank fucked around with this message at May 27, 2012 around 16:38

# ? May 27, 2012 16:18

somepartsareme: Mar 10, 2012; Diggle Hell is a Real
(Swingin') Place

In my first fortress, things are already wrong. My dwarves decided to park their caravan on an icy lake, and when the ice melted the entire caravan fell in, so now I have to channel the lake out. My idea for the fort is to have one large pit with a spiral staircase going along the edges, and I'm wondering, does channeling just create downhill ramps, or could it be used to actually dig a large hole?

# ? May 27, 2012 18:49

Sky Shadowing: Feb 13, 2012; At least we're not the Thalmor (yet).

I haven't really played that much since the Necromancer/Adventurer update went in, so I was surprised when I got sieged by a group of necromancers and their corpsie friends.

Do they ever go away like normal sieges? I swear, I've been sitting in here for four years, waiting for them to get bored and go home.

No migrants is a +, but no caravans is a -.

# ? May 27, 2012 19:07

Drone_Fragger: May 9, 2007

So is there a simple guide somewhere to setting up a minecart system?

# ? May 27, 2012 19:42

Keisari: May 24, 2011

somepartsareme posted:

In my first fortress, things are already wrong. My dwarves decided to park their caravan on an icy lake, and when the ice melted the entire caravan fell in, so now I have to channel the lake out. My idea for the fort is to have one large pit with a spiral staircase going along the edges, and I'm wondering, does channeling just create downhill ramps, or could it be used to actually dig a large hole?

The edges have ramps, but the rest doesn't. So if you make a 3x3 hole, the middle one won't have a ramp.

# ? May 27, 2012 19:43

ToxicSlurpee: Nov 5, 2003; Kiss Me, I'm Hateful!

somepartsareme posted:

In my first fortress, things are already wrong. My dwarves decided to park their caravan on an icy lake, and when the ice melted the entire caravan fell in, so now I have to channel the lake out. My idea for the fort is to have one large pit with a spiral staircase going along the edges, and I'm wondering, does channeling just create downhill ramps, or could it be used to actually dig a large hole?

It can be used to dig a large hole. Most of the time, a ramp will disappear if you dig out all of the floors and walls around it like...

code:

XXXXX
XOOOX
XOOOX
XOOOX
XXXXX

If you had a 5x5 area and you channeled out the 3x3 area of O's in the middle, you would end up with...

code:

XXXXX
X^^^X
X^ ^X
X^^^X
XXXXX

A hole in the middle. And it just grows from there. You would have a 3x3 hole if you channeled out the 5x5 area.

Sometimes you'll get a few errant ramps that stick around but there's a designation that removes them so it's not a huge deal.

# ? May 27, 2012 19:43

scamtank: Feb 24, 2011; my desire to just be a FUCKING IDIOT all day long is rapidly overtaking my ability to FUNCTION

i suspect that means i'm MENTALLY ILL

Drone_Fragger posted:

So is there a simple guide somewhere to setting up a minecart system?

The wiki is still the final word, I think.

# ? May 27, 2012 19:47

somepartsareme: Mar 10, 2012; Diggle Hell is a Real
(Swingin') Place

So I'm having a lot of fun, but what isn't fun is the game crashing without warning and losing two migrant waves worth of progress. What could I change so this doesn't happen?

# ? May 27, 2012 21:32

Nettle Soup: Jan 30, 2010; Oh, and Jones was there too.

somepartsareme posted:

So I'm having a lot of fun, but what isn't fun is the game crashing without warning and losing two migrant waves worth of progress. What could I change so this doesn't happen?

Enable seasonal autosaves in the init, the LNP has a button for it.

# ? May 27, 2012 21:35

Keisari: May 24, 2011

somepartsareme posted:

So I'm having a lot of fun, but what isn't fun is the game crashing without warning and losing two migrant waves worth of progress. What could I change so this doesn't happen?

Ouch man. You're using LNP / Therapist, right? Do NOT play Dwarf Fortress without the external apps. Migration waves are a bitch without them, not even talking about reshuffling jobs around.

# ? May 27, 2012 21:59

somepartsareme: Mar 10, 2012; Diggle Hell is a Real
(Swingin') Place

I'm using Therapist and I have dfhack installed, but I decided to forgo LNP this time around. Nothing there I couldn't do myself, I figured. I fixed autosaves in the .ini, so it should work a lot better now.

# ? May 27, 2012 22:23

Jackdaw Zero: Sep 2, 2011

Nettle Soup posted:

Enable seasonal autosaves in the init, the LNP has a button for it.

Also note that if you load a seasonal save, any following manual save you make will overwrite that one rather than your regular save. Deleting the regionxx folder and renaming the regionx-season-year to regionx oughta do the trick.

# ? May 27, 2012 22:24

Jackdaw Zero: Sep 2, 2011

somepartsareme posted:

I'm using Therapist and I have dfhack installed, but I decided to forgo LNP this time around. Nothing there I couldn't do myself, I figured. I fixed autosaves in the .ini, so it should work a lot better now.

Good for you

Hope the game won't crash anymore though, losing progress always sucks (unless that progress involved everyone being accidentally doused in magma).

# ? May 27, 2012 22:26

Synnr: Dec 29, 2009

What is the latest version of DF? I want to make sure I get a correct version of LNP.

# ? May 27, 2012 23:03

somepartsareme: Mar 10, 2012; Diggle Hell is a Real
(Swingin') Place

According to the wiki, "The latest version is v0.34.10, released on 21 May 2012."

# ? May 27, 2012 23:06

Bad Munki: Nov 4, 2008; We're all mad here.

Jackdaw Zero posted:

Also note that if you load a seasonal save, any following manual save you make will overwrite that one rather than your regular save. Deleting the regionxx folder and renaming the regionx-season-year to regionx oughta do the trick.

Of course, that only really applies if you have automatic backups. If you do seasonal (or yearly) saves without backups, you'll just be operating off the same save every time. I mean "it doesn't apply" as there is only the "regular" save.

# ? May 27, 2012 23:28

Synnr: Dec 29, 2009

Is there a way to make your own ghetto LNP? I'm not sure what it is exactly beyond a collection of programs.

# ? May 28, 2012 00:17

Jackdaw Zero: Sep 2, 2011

Bad Munki posted:

Of course, that only really applies if you have automatic backups. If you do seasonal (or yearly) saves without backups, you'll just be operating off the same save every time. I mean "it doesn't apply" as there is only the "regular" save.

Thanks for clarifying. For some reason I thought "automatic backups" meant "backup placed in a different folder ~~Armok knows where~~" and always enabled that because hey, you can never have too many saves.

# ? May 28, 2012 01:14

somepartsareme: Mar 10, 2012; Diggle Hell is a Real
(Swingin') Place

Welp, this will probably be the end of my fort. I was just recovering from a harsh winter with no food or water (because I can't figure those out), setting up a five-person militia, and expanding my farm crops, when my third migrant wave shows up.

First wave: Seven dwarves

Second wave: Four dwarves

Third wave: Thirty dwarves.

Is this normal? Also, I have about 6 people with carpentering enabled, and none of them will make these beds!

# ? May 28, 2012 03:18

Black Griffon: Mar 12, 2005; Now, in the quantum moment before the closure, when all become one. One moment left. One point of space and time. I know who you are.

You are destiny.

Very normal. Also, check your carpenters in therapist. If they're idle, re-enable the labor. I once had some luck when I rebuilt the carpenters workshop.

And I just found adamantine two days after embarking. I just wanted a cave-layer so I could pen up my sheep inside.

Also, I'm starting with Headshoots then, thanks for the recommendations!

# ? May 28, 2012 03:25

Bad Munki: Nov 4, 2008; We're all mad here.

Check them all to see if they're drinking, sleeping, on break, or at a party. Also make sure there is a path from them to the carpenter's shop. Also make sure they didn't cancel due to lacking materials and you just missed the announcement.

# ? May 28, 2012 03:28

Ignimbrite: Jan 5, 2010; BALLS BALLS BALLS

And if you've got them in a burrow, make sure the burrow includes the workshop and the wood you want them to make stuff with.

# ? May 28, 2012 03:32

super fart shooter: Feb 11, 2003; -quacka fat-

So has anyone had any success with the much anticipated lead bar-loaded minecart railguns yet? I haven't gotten around to engineering anything like that so far, but now that traps block wagon access I feel like there's a real practical call for "alternative" fort defense mechanisms...

# ? May 28, 2012 04:07

somepartsareme: Mar 10, 2012; Diggle Hell is a Real
(Swingin') Place

Well, a couple of those migrants took over the carpenter jobs, so that's not a concern. The real worry is everyone being mad that my wrestler took down an insane child (and is ECSTATIC about it) and the fact that I accidentally gave an oaken barrel to the elven traders.

I'm also having problem getting minetracks to work, because one NS ramp just claims to be "unusable".

# ? May 28, 2012 04:24

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# ? May 18, 2013 22:59

scamtank: Feb 24, 2011; my desire to just be a FUCKING IDIOT all day long is rapidly overtaking my ability to FUNCTION

i suspect that means i'm MENTALLY ILL

Synnr posted:

Is there a way to make your own ghetto LNP? I'm not sure what it is exactly beyond a collection of programs.

The .exe itself is just a GUI for some raw modifying, init setting, one-click graphics pack overwriting and shortcuts to some external utilities.

You can take it from an old version and set it to point to a fresh DF install for some convenience. Find the compatible new versions of DFHack, Therapist and whatever else you like yourself and you're set.

Also, the first news in a while!

(Toady One) posted:

Started back in on things:

wall/floodgate/etc. builders often make more reasonable decisions about where to stand to avoid walling themselves in
crash fix involving haul job losing its container
crash fix for naming routes when there are no route
crash fix for squad naming
stopped haulers from sometimes moving around in circles or between two tiles repeatedly
stopped deconstructors from dropping items on their heads at times
allowed riders/guiders of carts to attempt to go to destinations that aren't connected (but not to violate burrow settings)
fixed inconsistency with random seed lengths

# ? May 28, 2012 06:24

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