Kasan posted:

"Climb does not work on smooth walls"

Pretty much means it won't affect fortress mode at all.

Tirius posted:

I wonder if this means that walls constructed from raw stone will be climbable, while walls constructed from stone blocks will not.

Not that there is any reason to build using raw stone anymore.

Kommando posted:

Forgotten beasts will climb up your refuse chutes. Goblins might catch a ledge when you pit them, or climb up out of your arena and cause problems for the citizenry. Plant gathers might climb a multitile tree, fall out and hurt themselves. Fisherdwarves scared by a bear might run up a tree, only to be pursued by an angry bear. It will give you a reason to smooth your exterior walls rather than just aesthetics.

Lawman 0 posted:

Wait poo poo that means that those underground ambushes/sieges that masterwork has the cavern civs do will be able to climb up to my cavern breaching mining shafts.

Leperflesh posted:

Hey scamtank I've been using lepertank 0.3 on a new fort yesterday and today and I noticed a thing. In the [b]uild [w]orkshops menu, there's a "The Forge" and a "Dwarven Forge". That's pretty confusing? I figured out "dwarven" means a magma workshop, but maybe call the normal one a "coal forge" or something? No other workshop uses "the" either, so it's a standout weirdness.

Boing posted:

This is exactly how goblins should behave really

Tias posted:

Guy accidentally codes a functioning WAAAAAAGH routine, and considers it a bug? Toady

Grey Hunter posted:

As someone else mentioned, I hope its kept in to some extent, the bug is that EVERY goblin takes a crack at leadership!

Leperflesh posted:

Hey scamtank I've been using lepertank 0.3 on a new fort yesterday and today and I noticed a thing. In the [b]uild [w]orkshops menu, there's a "The Forge" and a "Dwarven Forge". That's pretty confusing? I figured out "dwarven" means a magma workshop, but maybe call the normal one a "coal forge" or something? No other workshop uses "the" either, so it's a standout weirdness.

Just as some added feedback, I also think "Mechanic's Station" is a bit odd; you build mechanisms there, so it's an actual workshop. Maybe "Mechanic's Workbench" or something? I also might call "Soap Maker's Workshop" a "soapery", although there's nothing wrong with what you've used.

Tias posted:

Guy accidentally codes a functioning WAAAAAAGH routine, and considers it a bug? Toady

Kommando posted:

Forgotten beasts will climb up your refuse chutes. Goblins might catch a ledge when you pit them, or climb up out of your arena and cause problems for the citizenry. Plant gathers might climb a multitile tree, fall out and hurt themselves. Fisherdwarves scared by a bear might run up a tree, only to be pursued by an angry bear. It will give you a reason to smooth your exterior walls rather than just aesthetics.

scamtank posted:

real toady posts quote Toady in the upper left

Here's Dwarf Fortress Talk #21, where we talk about current development and Threetoe appears to answer questions with me: forum thread, DF Talk page with download.

I worked on track detection and presentation quite a bit, and added some variability in the quality of tracks to make skill matter more. Now I'll be wrapping all the way back around to the bandit stuff from last June where we started and make sure that ties into the invader/tracking stuff properly as I continue to finalize all of the elements.

Toady Talk posted:

R: Alright, so you mentioned earlier the "wild attack"? What does that mean?

T: The old attack menu just had a list of, say "I wanna punch with my right hand" or "I wanna slash with my sword" or "stab with my sword". Now, at the bottom of that screen you've got options. You can decide whether or not you want to charge - charging is a little stranger now that it's separate movement and action that get integrated into that attack - you can also decide if you want to do an "adjective" type of thing on your strike. Right now - again, we're just throwing things into this system just to get some mileage out of it before we actually go all in on the Combat Arc - right now you have four choices.

You don't need to take any of them, you can just make a regular attack, which in general, will take about three steps in and three steps out.

You can do a "quick" attack, which is two in and two out, like a little jab or a stab or something, but that halves your attack velocity, which may mean your hit might not even penetrate leather armor in some cases. But it's there if you want to get a quick hit in before the opponent if you think you'll get some use out of it.

You can also make a "heavy" attack, which is four in and four out, but it increases the velocity by 50%.

You can also make a "wild" attack which is a roll of the dice. It's something like two steps in and five steps out, so you're just going in really fast, getting that velocity bonus, but you also have a minus to hit and you also become unbalanced and unsteady for some turns while recovering, so people can get hits on you easier. It's a desperation thing, but you can do that if you want.

The next we added was a "precise" attack. It's five steps in, so you're really taking your time, but you get an increase to your roll which just improves everything about your attack. Most often you use that if someone's unconscious or something. End the fight. Or if you're being frustrated this person's attacks and dodging and just want a square hit in at any cost, so you can do that too.

The last one in the menu is the "multiple" attack option. This adds another action to your attack, so you can move away or climb or do something else while you're doing this one attack, or you can choose another attack if you want to do something like stab two daggers at once. The penalties are massive, something like -75%, so it's not very practical. It's more for cases if you want to stylishly stab someone while they're helpless or when you're sneaking up behind them, shank them between the ribs like that...

quote:

T: ... I think you can already mod in a item-cloud-breath or whatever, if you want to make a modded creature breathe little daggers at people, or the carving knives from the tool raws, or make them breathe forks at people...

aldantefax posted:

Pit design is going to be a lot more...pitlike, now, I guess. load a caged goblin onto a floor hatch or 3x3 bridge, clear the room, drop down a 3x3x40 shaft instead of a 1x1 shaft. Not good enough? Waste water's being pumped in from above!

scamtank posted:

Can't help but agree with everything you said. Those were a spur of the moment thing that I didn't really think about at all, unlike the combat announcement stuff. The only reason why I didn't take the time to purge them was the fact that they're so easy to switch out at will.

Open up lepertank.lng, ctrl-f to the weird bit, change it to your liking, save, run the patcher again when the game is off. You can switch anything non-raw-related in there, on the fly, with no ill effect.

dragon_pamcake posted:

I've been using masterwork and there's approx 30 different kinds of metals. What the heck should I be making weapons/armor out of?

Welded is obviously better than regular, except in Titanium's case.

DStecks posted:

Welp, years of telling friends that DF's interface isn't that bad just bit me in the rear end after coming back to the game from a long absence.

EightBit posted:

I don't think the interface is too bad, but it gets amplified by the mechanics sometimes.

Nosre posted:

Why hello uniforms and equipment and, uh, well, the whole military screen.

EightBit posted:

I don't think the interface is too bad, but it gets amplified by the mechanics sometimes.

The Cheshire Cat posted:

I think one of the main issues in the interface is that more or less everything has equal prominence, so it's really hard to find anything if you don't know where to look since everything just looks the same.

Actually something that would really benefit DF would be an interface like openTTD, where you can pop open as many menus as you want and move them around or pin them on the screen as needed, letting you keep the stuff you use a lot easily available. Of course that would take a pretty dramatic redesign of the graphics engine which will probably never happen, since Toady always focuses development on adding more features.