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Nov 18, 2010

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Modus Operandi posted:

General Chinese stereotypes of the Vietnamese? Small in stature, cunning, duplicitous, and two faced when it comes to global relations. The positive stereotypes are hard workers, upcoming regional SEA state, and they make good wives.

That's remarkably close to how Americans see the Chinese/Asians in general. Interesting.

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Nov 18, 2010

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hitension posted:

Also :drat: at only 3% of Indian legislators, senior officials and managers are women... and that's ranked #123, meaning there are some ~70 countries (assuming the report is comprehensive) that are ranked worse. Can we just say the world is hosed?

Unless that's a decreasing number, no, you would say exactly the opposite.

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Nov 18, 2010

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Vladimir Putin posted:

There's probably more national feeling about being the victims of two atomic bombs vs. perpetrating the Rape of Nanking.

That's not exactly a real low point in terms of national feeling.

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Nov 18, 2010

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Deleuzionist posted:

Happy Chinese New Year.



Where is this?

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Nov 18, 2010

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Ah, okay. My girlfriend studies in china and I have no idea what the average air quality is like over there, although apparently her city's no worse than Chicago on average.

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Nov 18, 2010

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pentyne posted:

Really? I figure they'd just throw back the corruption in Japan and US as proof that China is better, or am I misunderstanding just how large the scope of corruption is?

I think it would be considered a significant improvement if China would get their corruption levels to around where Russia is (where police will randomly stop you for a bribe or else suddenly your visa is invalid).

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Nov 18, 2010

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bad day posted:


I think it's just a myopic perspective - their policy seems to be that A. The NYT will never print anything positive about China. B. Nobody at the NYT is going to work very hard for a story here.

I see this in other media too. There was a 60 Minutes presentation on the real estate bubble in China, and while it is probably a very big issue that could potentially effect the global economy, it seems like they also tried to do the most critical eye on the Chinese as possible. They had a real estate developer on there, for example, who literally said that if the bubble bursts you could see the Arab Spring come to China.

Again, it is a worry, but it also seem to be subtle pandering to the folks who want to see Red China go away.

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Nov 18, 2010

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goldboilermark posted:

Don't hold your breath, buddy.

Yeah, Ataturk is still going strong.

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Nov 18, 2010

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Bloodnose posted:


It's like if America constantly ran historical dramas about Pearl Harbor or The Alamo or 9/11, and that was all you ever got to see of Japanese, Mexicans and Arabs.


I think before the Arab Spring Back to the Future was the only portrayal of Libyans that Americans had.

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Nov 18, 2010

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WarpedNaba posted:

I have to wonder what kind of system could effectively administrate a nation of a billion + souls.

I keep coming to the conclusion that there isn't one

I thought I was in the Pope thread for a second.

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Nov 18, 2010

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My girlfriend's Chinese, and the way she explained it it sounded like the restriction is on boys, not children in general (in other words, you can have as many girls as you want, but when you have a boy that's it). Her family's middle class, though, so maybe that had something to do with it, or maybe she just misunderstood the law.

Either way though, she does have a (younger) brother, so I dunno.

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Nov 18, 2010

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caberham posted:


If your girlfriend's family broke the law, I'm sure her parents would drill that into her head and guilt trip her to study extra extra hard because the parents broke the law.

You don't get fined if the first baby is a girl. There's a second chance. You still get subsidized schooling and all that jazz. Yes infanticide happens, but it's more of a "I want a son after 4 daughters and can't afford to raise another" situation than "ewww gross a vagina".


Alright, that's the impression I got. She said she didn't really know because her aunts all had boys as their first kid anyway. :v:

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Nov 18, 2010

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Arglebargle III posted:

I don't know a whole lot about drones, but why not? Just because the drone airframes aren't there? Couldn't you fly a drone equivalent of an FA/18 from an AWACS or something?

The major problem with drones from what I can tell is that they're really slow; you can't (for now) expect them to compete with something that goes anywhere near the usual speed of a jet fighter, which hampers things slightly.

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Nov 18, 2010

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Riso posted:

If Mao were to return from the dead one day he'd kill everyone in an apoplectic fit.

I think pretty much every founding leader of a country would do that these days.

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Nov 18, 2010

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From what I heard from my GF it's not that hard to get a passport, it just takes a long time (~1 month).

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Nov 18, 2010

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Is there an equivalent to permanent residency in China?

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Nov 18, 2010

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WarpedNaba posted:

Didn't China ban Death Note because it was subversive causing people to carry their own black books and write the names of their bosses in them?

The live action movies are banned, at least on the mainland.

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Nov 18, 2010

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Modus Operandi posted:

Well I looked it up and i'm a bit off. The U.S. is actually #7 in overall cancer rates which is still pretty bad considering the other countries worse off than the U.S. are far smaller in size with less diverse health circumstances.

That could just be a function of reporting. I remember people were freaking out about Wisconsin having the highest growth in Autism cases when as it turns out the only thing that changed was how much funding they put into the Autism identification part of their health department.

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Nov 18, 2010

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There's just something magical about this one. :allears:

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Nov 18, 2010

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Vladimir Putin posted:

What is 'American' cuisine anyway? It's basically a mish mash of contributions for whatever cultures landed here from the WASPS to the Irish to the Italians and now being heavily influenced by Mexicans and immigrants from Asia and all over the world. Maybe we selected the worst meals from all of these cultures?

I mean, even if you're talking about fast food there are ways you can make Burgers et all in such a way that it's very flavorful and interesting (at least as much as any other sandwich).

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Nov 18, 2010

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MeramJert posted:

What do students in China learn in their political classes? I've been told that they've read excerpts of Marx and Lenin but people don't generally seem to know anything about it.

That's how my girlfriend treats it but she's a language major and not a political science major.

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Nov 18, 2010

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WarpedNaba posted:

What kind of high school student has never seen a tit? Internet porn is everywhere, dude.

There is a certain type of person who puts studies before even porn.

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Nov 18, 2010

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RocknRollaAyatollah posted:

China ultimately is a mystery though. I don't think anyone knows the whole story about what is going on despite the advances in technology that allow effectively controlling a large state. Even Xi Jinping probably has no clue as to what is happening several levels below him on the totem pole.

Yeah, China's problem is that after a certain level bureaucracy gets less efficient with scale and China is the largest scale in the world currently.

I mean, just look at the clusterfuck of stuff in the US regarding any sort of federal program, and that's without (as many) people just lying about information to keep their jobs.

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Nov 18, 2010

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Captain Frigate posted:

I think the situation in the US has more to do with deliberate sabotage than any sort of fundamental limit on the effectiveness of federal programs.

Things like the military pay system are not due to deliberate sabotage and is in line with what I'm talking about.

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Nov 18, 2010

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Grand Fromage posted:

Tulip bubble is still the funniest bubble.

Tulip bubble was like Pokemon Cards but for an entire country.


hitension posted:

I also strongly suspect more people take loans to mortgage houses than are willing to admit it. With the prices of houses and the incomes of Chinese people having such a large disconnect, I think for many it would be impossible to not take a mortgage, even accounting for rich parents' savings.

This probably also ties into how many people rent versus buy their house (or related living arrangement). If you have a small amount of people actually buying the properties then it could just be a landlord/leaser arrangement.

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Nov 18, 2010

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It seems like this would fall under the exception noted:

quote:

(c) The limitations described in subsections (a) and (b) shall not apply to activities which NASA or OSTP has certified—
(1) pose no risk of resulting in the transfer of
technology, data, or other information with national
security or economic security implications to China
or a Chinese-owned company; and
(2) will not involve knowing interactions with officials who have been determined by the United States to have direct involvement with violations of human rights.

Regardless, I'm kind of glad my career path seems to be going away from the federal government/contracting. it seems like just dating a foreign national, let alone marrying one is grounds for disqualification of a myriad of security clearances.

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Nov 18, 2010

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Pro-PRC Laowai posted:

Oh it's just loving hilarious, because the cars have about jack poo poo to do with it. And their "plan" makes about as much sense as the whole "yellow means red" notion of how traffic lights work. Here's how it will go down. Someone will push their precious little baby through the works to see it become reality. The first time everything's a giant mess because classes are cancelled, but work is not, or a factory shuts down on the "prediction" of pollution that doesn't come and workers start getting pissy about pay. And in spite of all their chaos, nothing really changes... it will be kicked to the curb and the idiots who devised it will be sent down to the countryside where they belong.

Yeah there was a thing on PBS about it and it sounds like it was more due to some centralized heating system having to service 11 million people all at once.

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Nov 18, 2010

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waitwhatno posted:

This reminds me of a similar situation in Turkey a couple of years ago. Their hilariously corrupt and incompetent car inspection system was judged beyond all hope, so they disbanded it completely and hired a large German inspection company(TÜV)to rebuild the entire system from the ground up. Employees from the previous inspection service where even forbidden from working there. They also put high emphasis on computerizing absolutely everything, so that it would be very difficult to manipulate inspection results. Maybe something that China can learn from.

China's thing since the mid 1700s has been "juke stats so I look better to my superiors" though. I mean it's obviously a good goal but it's going to be very very hard to implement, at least nationwide (in Beijing sure you can probably do that pretty easily).

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Nov 18, 2010

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synertia posted:

seeing their little self-congratulating back patting incestuous awards shows where they give the same 10 people achievement awards every year actually pisses me off.

Sounds like you've reached parity with the US. :v:

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Nov 18, 2010

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WarpedNaba posted:

I'll probably regret asking this, but by apologising properly they don't mean 'Stop your neo-liberals and far right nuts from whitewashing school books and visiting Yasakuni shrine and we're good', do they.

It's a useful political tool so probably not, but the fact that the Japanese are still doing that kind of makes it valid still.

Fojar38 posted:

There seems to be a trend of communist countries reverting to nationalism once they abandon communism.

No, it's just that Communist countries happened to come from countries that were known for being isolationist shitholes.

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Nov 18, 2010

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WarpedNaba posted:

I'm not comfortable with an interventionalist China, tbph. There's Hong Kong, Taiwan, Tibet, and that's just on the front door.

Those are all traditional Chinese territories though (Tibet being the most recent and they were conquered in ~1720).

I mean if anything it's interesting that we haven't seen them try to go after Mongolia that much.

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Nov 18, 2010

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Electro-Boogie Jack posted:

Having an amban stationed in Lhasa while the Kashag rules central Tibet (and much of the rest of Tibet doesn't even have that much Chinese presence) is such a completely different arrangement that it doesn't really make sense to call Tibet "conquered in ~1720" in the context of current Chinese rule. If by "traditional Chinese territory" you mean territory that Chinese has occasionally considered its own, sometimes nominally ruled, and rarely directly administered, then I don't think that term really makes sense either.

And if you don't consider Chinese adventures in Tibet interventionalist, you should talk to some Tibetans.

The situation reminds me of the Kurds, so yes there is a distinct cultural group that China oppresses to one degree or another but the general Western idea is that the Communists up and conquered Tibet in the 50s with no historical precedent which is patently false.

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Nov 18, 2010

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Electro-Boogie Jack posted:

Luckily the "general Western idea" is mostly held by people who have literally no influence on Tibet.

I would say it's pretty important if you want an international outrage, but I'll digress that it's a peripheral issue.


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Far more important (and relevant to our discussion of Chinese education) is the patently false idea that Tibet has always belonged to China, and the mostly false idea that Tibet can really be considered "traditional Chinese territory," which is promoted as the truth by the Chinese government, taught in schools, and unfortunately believed by the majority of Chinese people.

The discussion wasn't about Chinese education, but if we're talking in that vein then I guess it's just an issue of how long something has to be controlled by a country to be part of its "traditional territory"; places like Tibet or Xinjiang were annexed (at least claimed to be) into China relatively recently, but still long enough ago that everyone involved is long dead. This makes it a slightly different issue from (e.g.) the Israel-Palestine conflict which is only a generation or two off.

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Nov 18, 2010

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Electro-Boogie Jack posted:

I guess it wasn't, as long as you have Arglebargle, Glasseye-Boy, Tom Smykowski, Fojar83, and dilbertschalter on ignore and think this is still solely about Japanese textbooks and doesn't involve China and larger issues of historiography.

That's not about Chinese education, but whatever.

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The claim may be that Tibet and Xinjiang were annexed long ago enough that everyone involved is long dead, and yet there are still plenty of Tibetans alive now who may have never seen a Chinese person before they fought against the rGya mag in the 1950s. This is why it's actual far more similar to the time-frame of the Israel-Palestine conflict than you seem to think. Chinese control prior to the 1950s is a very different thing than you seem to be giving it credit for.

Again, this may be true from a real perspective, but not from a political perspective (e.g., the US's testimony regarding the ROC's claim on Tibet here). I'm not disputing that China (both pre and post PRC) have done horrible things to Tibet, I'm more disputing the (what I'm assuming you're advocating based on the I/P comparison you're accepting) independence movement for Tibet based on the fact that there's historical precedent from nations around the world that Tibet belonged to China.

The PRC should support and protect Tibetan culture and stop the policies it's currently doing to Han-ify (for lack of a better term) Tibet, but I don't believe it's necessary to be apart from China.

Then again I'm a silly American who believes in multiculturalism.

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Nov 18, 2010

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WarpedNaba posted:

In the same vein, Britain is a traditional French territory, Finland and Norway and traditional Swedish territories, and I ain't about to begin with the thousand Germanies. Also, there's good evidence that Manchuria was a Korean tributary for a fair amount of time.

Normans were more Vikings anyway.

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Nov 18, 2010

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pentyne posted:

Not really. They're so heavily dependent on exports that they can't just go and make demands under threat of withholding cheap consumer goods without their own economy taking a massive hit.

And even if their GDP passes the US, people aren't likely to believe the numbers anyways since as it stands everyone assumes all the economic data coming out of China has been crooked as poo poo for decades.

And again, it's easy to be the world's largest economy if you brute force it by having 1.5 billion people. The US would still have 3-4 times higher per capita rates.

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Nov 18, 2010

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I'd say China has a pretty good chance of developing into a service based economy but it's probably going to follow the same timeframe as the US (minus the gigantic wars).

e: I mean has China hit its first major panic post-Mao yet? That will be a pretty telling part of how the direction of the country goes.

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Nov 18, 2010

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flatbus posted:


And of course with such 19th century ideas we have to revert to orientalism:



A large portion of Americans don't even consider their own loving president to be American because he's half black, and yet I don't see Chinese or Indians (or even black Americans) avoiding white American movies and music because they can't relate to whiteness. You've got to come up with something less obviously wrong than that.


A lot of people are racists and hate being led by a black man, but we're way past the point when black people are seen as anything other than legitimate citizens of the US (even though they might be seen as having bad ideas).

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Nov 18, 2010

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Wanamingo posted:

Didn't the latest Deus Ex have a section in Hong Kong? I seem to remember that being pretty neat, but it has been a while since I played the game.

I think he means not set in Hong Kong, which is fair because there's a shitton of China you can explore on the mainland or even just Taiwan or something.

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Nov 18, 2010

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VideoTapir posted:

Would a middle class/working class revolt in HK, against the Hong Kong elite specifically, be perceived as a revolt against the Mainland government? I mean what would Beijing do?

If I were the CCP, I would deploy people to quell the uprisings and use it as an excuse to usurp power from the HK government.

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