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Nevermind16
Jun 28, 2012
I'd like to inquire which is considered better in China for moving up the political-social ladder, money or family connections, I ask because recently factory owners and rich Chinese are starting to have more of a voice, but can money get you as far as family connections in current Chinese politics?
See article for details
http://www.forbes.com/sites/russellflannery/2012/07/04/sany-denies-report-it-will-cut-30-of-workers-says-it-will-control-staff-increase/

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Nevermind16
Jun 28, 2012

Modus Operandi posted:

It's always fascinating to see how these high level triad figures work. That's pretty ballsy even for them because you would assume big time investors like this have state connections that can put plenty of heat on them. I guess the only conclusion is that maybe he pissed off another ultra wealthy senior casino executive somewhere who put his triad goon connections on him.

So I have read about male children being captured and sold due to the one child policy, do you think the child kiddnapping is organized by a paticular criminal group in china, or is just a wide spread type of crime

Nevermind16
Jun 28, 2012
http://www.swissinfo.ch/eng/news/international/Macau_murder_spate_adds_to_casino_industry_worries.html?cid=33164588



[quote="Modus Operandi" post="405927732"]


Triads and other Chinese mafia guys are more into traditional vice like gambling, prostitution, and racketeering. They also have stakes in film and music studios. The triad influence was quite large in the HK movie industry for a long time and I think it still is. Jackie Chan and a bunch of other film stars got together to protest the organized crime influence.



So the article posted above talks about how "Triads are typically branches of Chinese criminal groups based in Hong Kong, Macau, and Taiwan, and on the mainland. They are involved in crimes including extortion, money laundering, murder and prostitution."

I know the triads have a presence in Taiwan (thought I don't know how strong), I think is it possible they (the triads) both see and use political tension between authorities in Mainland China and Taipei, as a catalyst for smuggling and other crimes, knowing that cooperation between Taiwan and China is always harder than cooperation between say Hong Kong authorities and authorities in Macau or other provinces.

Nevermind16
Jun 28, 2012
first of all ,Throatwarbler good post

This is a piece on Bo Xilai's father Bo Yibo, who was apparently a pretty important guy in Chinese politics

http://www.guardian.co.uk/news/2007/jan/24/guardianobituaries.obituaries1


The article says, for those who don't wanna read the whole thing

That he (Bo Yibo) was a personal Friend of Mao, that he became an underground party organiser in Tianjin,
That he even worked with Deng Xiaoping on economic reform.

I'd assume based on news I read (not all of it honest) that Family connections are still one of the most important driving factors in all of China, so what happens in China when all the factory owners without family connections start gaining power? do they simply become part of the machine or do they become as some might say "part of the family"?

Nevermind16
Jun 28, 2012
http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-asia-19166788


It appears China is using its fishing industry for foreign policy interests

Nevermind16
Jun 28, 2012

Fangz posted:

Explain what you mean by this.

China's so called fishing fleet, which as far as I can tell is basically any group ships that's origin and crew are from China have been involved in quite a few issues over the last few years.

in addition to Sri Lanka issues have come from the Phillipines, And South Korea

http://www.brecorder.com/world/southeast-asia/68092-philippines-warns-china-fishermen-to-stay-away-.html

http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-asia-16134647

I for one tend to agree with the view
That China does not purposefully or with malicious intent sends ships into disputed waters, however they are willfully ignorant of the movements of vessels that they are at least (legally) responsible for. they don't send their vessels into disputed areas, they simply don't care where there ships go and know furthermore any event where there fishing ships are seized or impounded gives them a public arena in which to show case to their own people they do not fear the west, and demonstrate to the world their own political clout, I do not take this view lightly as when the first fishing dispute arose I thought it could of just have been a couple of idiot fisherman,
but the repeated events of Chinese fishing ships ignoring claims of illegal fishing procedures and ignoring foreign countries formal boundaries signals either a strong Fishing lobby has developed in China or China continues to allow problems to escalate but because it gives them opportunities for political and symbolic gain.

But again it could just be a bunch of fishing idiots.

Nevermind16
Jun 28, 2012
First I admit for China to keep track of every single citizen and boat in a country of over 1 billion people is a pretty much impossible, that said it would make more sense to me if this was a rare occurrence.
But Japan, the Philippines and South Korea have each had a separate territorial issue with Chinese fisherman or boats in the last 2 years.
Yes this time it was only 37 guys but in the past its has been up to 160 vessels
“Japan’s Asahi Shimbun reported last week that 160 Chinese fishing vessels were in the waters surrounding the area, and perhaps 30 of these were in Japan’s territorial waters, at the same time as the seized Chinese trawler.” Sep 13 2010
http://blogs.cfr.org/asia/2010/09/13/chinese-fishing-boat-sets-off-sino-japanese-conflict/
I don’t expect China to monitor every single boat it has,
I expect when the ship count gets high enough that China’s expanding navy and powerful leaders are more than competent enough to make sure their people know what’s illegal and what’s not.
If China does not in any way benefit from these disputes, it stands to reason they would use their navy and other forces to not only deter illegal fishing practices, but apply harsher penalties on their citizens.
Or maybe China already is deterring illegal fishing practices and they simply can’t control their fishing industry.

Nevermind16
Jun 28, 2012
Great Photos Whatever 7

Were these Photos taken in a specific Place or province or were they from all over?



How big is Birth tourism?


http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-asia-china-17838280

Nevermind16
Jun 28, 2012
anyone have any ideas on suicide of a senior editor working for China's Communist Party newspaper

http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-asia-china-19365161

In an interview he gave before his death, Xu Huaiqian was quoted as saying: "My pain is I dare to think, but I don't dare to speak out; if I dare to speak out, I don't dare to write it down, and if I dare to write it down, there is no place to publish.

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Nevermind16
Jun 28, 2012
http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-asia-china-20134564


does this article have truth to it

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