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ReindeerF
Apr 20, 2002

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Jeoh posted:

They're not being paid their regular wages. Kind of a lovely thing to do.
Ah, didn't catch that in the article I read (which is why I put in the part about accuracy). I'll read this one.

FAKE EDIT: Yep, second paragraph - sorry about that. Typical bad international reporting on my other source.

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ReindeerF
Apr 20, 2002

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What are the odds of more lone desperate people taking things into their own hands as the economy cools and conditions get worse on the fringes of society? I mean, you know, when society is like 6x larger than America, statistical anomalies can be more frequent.

EDIT: I read about this guy's grievance, but things are rarely as simple as that report and, in any case, corruption extends much further, with more scope than simple police impropriety.

ReindeerF
Apr 20, 2002

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GuestBob posted:

At least this guy didn't hack some toddlers to shreds with an axe - which is the preferred modus operandi.
I'm sure he wanted to do something that would actually cause concern among the ruling class.

ReindeerF
Apr 20, 2002

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Fangz posted:

It really doesn't do well to eulogise the attempted suicide-murderer. These are disturbed, desperate people, their circumstances suck, but they aren't heroic revolutionaries.
Yeah, not going to avoid sarcasm on topics like this on the comedy web site Something Awful.

ReindeerF
Apr 20, 2002

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Seeing a graph of the approval numbers would be interesting.

ReindeerF
Apr 20, 2002

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computer parts posted:

Things like the military pay system are not due to deliberate sabotage and is in line with what I'm talking about.
The problem there is basically graft, yeah, same as China. Government pays a contractor to build a system. System doesn't work right. Don't worry though because privatization is good.

If we had any brains at all as a country there would be a Department Of Computin' or something that sucked up all the non-intelligence funding and handled the government's IT needs competently. You can get all kinds of competent people to work in government and I'm sure the tech sector is no different, in spite of their belief that they are (I am one of them). You'd have to get up pretty early every morning to exhibit more large-scale incompetence on technology projects than the major consulting firms in any case.

On that note, does China have something like this? I know it's sometimes ahead of the curve on poo poo because the government is only really a few decades old. Surely some country, somewhere has put together a Department Of Computin' and not just left everything spread between scientists, spacemen, spies and soldiers.

EDIT: We have one in Thailand, sort of. The MICT. It mainly blocks porn and anti-monarchy web sites and passes laws requiring people to buy logging equipment that the head of the Ministry's family makes. It is not successful even in these meager efforts as porn and anti-monarchy content are widely available still while people just roll their own logging systems. Still, I don't think we should use Thailand for the barometer of what's possible in any organized endeavor other than napping, eating and partying. China or the US could be expected to take things sort of seriously.

ReindeerF fucked around with this message at 05:43 on Aug 24, 2013

ReindeerF
Apr 20, 2002

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The one in the elevator gets me. She's so matter-of-fact about it and the guy just casually keeps the door closed. We had to make it God knows how many millenia into human development before we could invent something as amazing as the elevator to whisk you vertically through large structures and there she is, pooping in it like a cavewoman.

Maybe a good green initiative for China would be to grow banana trees everywhere for people to use the leaves to wipe with, depositing their fecal matter at the base of the tree where it composts inside the leaf and feeds the tree's growth. Cleaner air, eliminates waste and it's cheaper than pubic restrooms while offering some shade and natural beauty as you squat in public and drop a load in front of everyone.

Or maybe some wiseass in HK should grow a banana tree in a well-known mainlander destination and hang a sign on it that says "public toilet" in Chinese, with another sign pointing to the leaves saying, "wipe, please."

ReindeerF fucked around with this message at 06:30 on Aug 30, 2013

ReindeerF
Apr 20, 2002

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At some point there's enough interest that there needs to be an entire news source dedicated solely to Chinese people peeing and pooping in public. I mean I know the SCMP is pulling its weight, but just from a money point of view the eyeballs that site would drive make it economically viable. Like PeopleOfWalmart or something.

Surprisingly I can't find something like this by googling [chinese making GBS threads in public blog tubmlr], though there are several Quora discussions. Googling [making GBS threads in public tumblr] brings up about what you would expect and it is 0_o.

Surely one of you Chinapoos has run across such a site.

ReindeerF
Apr 20, 2002

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Pro-PRC Laowai posted:

Poop doesn't destroy anything. Helps the grass grow :)
Time to mow the elevator!

ReindeerF
Apr 20, 2002

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Arglebargle III posted:

It really is a peasant attitude.
It's pretty unique to you guys, which is what fascinates me. I spend time in Laos, Cambodia, Thailand and so on and I've never, ever seen someone take the kids to the pool in public. I'll allow there's plenty of public pissing by rural migrants to the big city, and this actually came up in the top 5 of a national survey of things that irritate Thai people the most (people not prostrating themselves enough was just below it), but everyone in all these countries - some of them dirt poor - somehow knows not to poo poo on the table. Is this like the Germans where there's a weird cultural poop obsession?

ReindeerF
Apr 20, 2002

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I thought it was kind of a weird fetish deal, but there was a deal on toilet design across the world and this lecturer swore that toilets were traditionally designed a certain way (I don't mean massively different, just with more viewing space) in Germany because you're supposed to look at your poop once a day. So, I dunno, maybe it's real. Have to ask a German.

ReindeerF
Apr 20, 2002

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You know what I think when I read that kind of history? "I bet oral sex was really loving unpopular until about the latter half of the 20th century."

ReindeerF
Apr 20, 2002

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Arglebargle III posted:

I feel like the resigned acceptance of street making GBS threads and the resigned acceptance of workplace disasters with death tolls in the dozens on a horrifyingly routine basis are related.
No, as you know, culture's the same everywhere if you step back far enough. These same things happen pretty much the same way across the world because humanity is all the same at heart. Watch out, you're about to step on a turd.

The development curve is the real issue. I mean most major things that we put down to culture change over time due just to development (which is a placeholder for improved income, economic opportunity, social mobility, nutrition, access to education, etc). Safety standards improve, people feel less expendable, with more "leisure time" they can focus on improving their conditions, wages get better and so on. Next thing you know, they're grounding electrical outlets and demanding clean water. Some things are purely cultural and don't change, and this seems to be a stronger gravitational pull as you approach ethnic monocultural purity. I'm curious if China's culture will stay more self-contained the way, say, Japan's has, or whether China will open up more over time as foreigners flood in and whether China will end up showing many of the same characteristics of the more international Chinese diaspora countries/territories/disputed whatevers. A lot of these Chinese-dominated societies are no more than one or two generations removed from the Mainland, which says a lot. Still, China will presumably remain distinct and that's something I've always wondered about. Japan guards their homogeneity pretty closely and always has. Korea too. China's massively larger than either and already much more diverse, even if not at the top. You guys know way more about this than I do, but I wonder what the future holds.

ReindeerF
Apr 20, 2002

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Cream_Filling posted:

Also, "round up the usual suspects and beat one into confessing" is actually how all police work was done until maybe 40-80 years ago in the US, too. And it's never completely fallen out of vogue here, either.
gently caress me, that's terrifying. Did you know that the French used to behead citizens and colonial subjects left and right and that this makes modern-day France the equivalent of modern-day China? We should discuss things in this context, it's very helpful. Also, once upon a time, cannibalism was en vogue in parts of Europe, true story. Don't talk down about PNG.

EDIT: Actual China goons, please thank your farmers for the delicious potatoes. I had a long discussion with one of my local market sellers about where the potatoes come from and it turns out they're all trained/trucked in from China. Good stock, too. I mean, you know, not Idaho Russet, but still really good. On the other hand, our garlic is better.

ReindeerF fucked around with this message at 20:30 on Sep 4, 2013

ReindeerF
Apr 20, 2002

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Arglebargle III posted:

One interesting thing about the article is that in China spending exorbitant sums on eating out is more common than in the West. $400 per head is still in the high range in China, but people really don't blink at dropping $300-$400 for a party here, and that's middle-class people I eat with.
The tipping with a Chinese family at the end of a huge meal is always weird as an American. I know it's totally normal in the host culture, but it's like "Thanks for hustling around serving us that $300 meal, here's $3."

On the note of street food, I'm too lazy to look it up, but did anyone ever do a street food app for Android or iOS that works like the interactive map mentioned above? That was one of my shelved ideas years ago when there wasn't one at the time. Now, I have no idea. I know there are some for the food truck craze in America, but they don't apply over here. I figure you guys in China (or Korea or Singapore) would get something like this before us because, well, TIT.

ReindeerF
Apr 20, 2002

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Yeah, Sinica covered it on this week's show:

http://popupchinese.com/lessons/sinica/petroleum-and-purges

ReindeerF
Apr 20, 2002

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Holy poo poo, No Xilai got life? I didn't see that coming.

ReindeerF
Apr 20, 2002

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Y-Hat posted:

Show trials are a hell of a thing.
It'll be interesting to see what he actually serves.

ReindeerF
Apr 20, 2002

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Right, so, basically he won't serve any time - or very little, if any. I assume given his network that he still has enough juice to keep other bigwigs on their toes. I mean it seems impossible that someone that high up wouldn't have compiled a favor chain and a dossier on every other powerful person in the party.

ReindeerF
Apr 20, 2002

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Ah really? Okay, interesting. Is Bo Guagua under any threat if he returns to China?

ReindeerF
Apr 20, 2002

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I did, I did - I always do. It was very interesting. I had some info about that world from a completely unrelated source as well. I just found it fascinating that they even bothered to throw the book at him. The opinion expressed on Sinica sounded like they thought he wasn't contrite enough for Chinese standards in such a situation, using his trial to sway public opinion with his charisma, so I guess they were hinting at the idea that the party might take a hard line with him. Looks like they were spot on.

I did find that whole debate interesting about how he was a really bad guy who used his power to rob from the local rich down in Chengdu. It really felt a lot like when Thaksin was tossed out here. "Oh, okay, this corrupt fucker has pissed off the other corrupt fuckers, so now we have to pretend he's demonstrably worse and that we don't like him."

\/\/\/ I'm not sure his editorial / statement helped, heh.

ReindeerF fucked around with this message at 07:05 on Sep 23, 2013

ReindeerF
Apr 20, 2002

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Yeah that was really creepy. I mean I find it entirely plausible that she flipped out when her tightly controlled world wobbled out of control, but she really looked bizarre. You can imagine a scenario in which a bunch of bonehead officials tried to "help" her and it all went very wrong.

ReindeerF
Apr 20, 2002

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Yeah, I didn't think the China thread needed the obvious posted, but good on you for clearing that up, heh.

\/\/\/ See, now I had to look poo poo up!

ReindeerF fucked around with this message at 18:16 on Sep 24, 2013

ReindeerF
Apr 20, 2002

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I saw a 7 post bump in this thread and assumed someone managed to poo poo off the top of a tall building into a McDonald's wrapper on the street below, but it turns out that you're all just discussing currency issues.

ReindeerF
Apr 20, 2002

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caberham posted:

The worst part of the story is that she got secretly married a few years ago. Her husband swindled all her life savings away. The shock was too much and she basically lost it. Paranoid about dying, sudden bursts of tears, and different top tier psychologists and psychiatrists didn't help.
It's not surprising, but until the topic entered my life via Pinoy and expat friends, the concept of what happens to "helpers" and their relationships hadn't fully dawned on me. They're always getting shacked up with some guy where they end up who is married or transient or something, which gets back to their family via the coconut telegraph, resulting in the dissolution of her pre-existing family back home. It's all a shame. If only the Philippines wasn't governed as a Spanish-style Encomienda system to this day this wouldn't be necessary. I've spent a lot of time there and have personal friends and there are so many talented, smart and hard working people, but it's just oppressively feudal. Granted, there's a small but growing middle class in the major urban centers, but it's not much in a country closing on 100MM people.

ReindeerF
Apr 20, 2002

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http://news.yahoo.com/volcano-raises-island-far-south-japan-054228644.html

quote:

Volcano raises new island far south of Japan

China, get on this.

ReindeerF
Apr 20, 2002

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I have a few expat friends who either lived or worked there pre-transition and their stories about the Henny Penny stuff are pretty hilarious. Many of the Brits (and others too) were apparently scared to death of Chinese rule and divested themselves of businesses and other local assets in a rush to leave the country before the red tide nationalized everything. Those who stayed often made a killing and pretty much nothing changed in terms of doing business. I've never been able to get more than anecdotal evidence of that, so I don't know if it's true, but I have gone back and read pre-handover articles from the period and there's quite a lot of "They're going to tank the whole bloody colony!" stuff in them, counter-balanced, usually, by then-diaspora Chinese saying that they found a way to work with the British and they'd find a way to work with the Chinese.

ReindeerF
Apr 20, 2002

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Is there anything that Koreans aren't hardcore about? Anytime there's some interest compelling enough to incite participation by the Koreans I assume they will instantly surpass the entire world in their fervor for that thing.

ReindeerF
Apr 20, 2002

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Mustang posted:

Pro-PRC Laowai, is that you? Wondered what happened to that guy.
:lol:

ReindeerF
Apr 20, 2002

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On behalf of the SE Asian thread and LINE chat group, I wanted to thank the China threads for always being there for us. We worry about the image our region has, but the China threads are always there to stick their gutter oiled up Yoda dicks in the tainted mashed potatoes and gently caress the pain away.

It means a lot to us, guys. Reach for the stars.

ReindeerF
Apr 20, 2002

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Wait until they find out about intercessory prayer. You don't even need to go anywhere or do anything!

ReindeerF
Apr 20, 2002

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Social and local. If you go to some rural uneducated backwater in the US or France or something, the attitude toward mental health will be a bit better because of all the exposure to the concept through society (TV, whatever), but it will usually be far behind what you might find in the urban areas.

I can recall when I was a kid and it would be a huge deal because some sitcom or drama character talked about depression for a whole episode - like OMG GIVE HER AN EMMY stuff. These days it's completely normal for at least one person to have some sort of disorder and entire shows are based on the concept. That was about 30-40 years ago in America. I think this is just starting to happen here in Thailand and I know some people who have sought treatment from mental health professionals - typically from internationally educated backgrounds, but it's a start (in the countryside they probably still tie you to a barn). I'd expect China to be further behind since it's gotten a much later start on metabolizing various Western concepts to do with health, clearly.

ReindeerF
Apr 20, 2002

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And God forbid you take the plastic wrap off of the air conditioning units when you move into your new condo.

ReindeerF
Apr 20, 2002

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Ouch. Sorry to hear that. I hope you can get her in somewhere for a mammogram soon. On that note, a lot of Chinese travel internationally for more serious medical care, so I'm curious what happens in a case like this? I assume there are private hospitals in major cities, but I don't know in a situation like yours what one does there. Just as a curiosity, I'd be interested to know if you don't mind. If you do mind, I will gently caress right off with that question.

ReindeerF
Apr 20, 2002

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Fondness for brunettes and pony tails.

Serious answer: I have always kind of wondered this. China's definitely a land of opportunity for many and provides much higher salaries for most things (to expats) than you'd find in Southeast Asia, but when compared to neighbors like Taiwan, Korea, Japan or the separate Chinatown of Hong Kong, it's a very different place. We have goons from all over that part of Asia here and I've always wondered why some end up in China, while others end up in Taiwan (removing cases where someone is sent specifically to a country for some reason that negates choice - job, marriage to spouse met abroad, etc). This does not presuppose that any one is better or worse than another, for purposes of the question, just that they are very different places.

ReindeerF
Apr 20, 2002

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Clicks and whistles.

ReindeerF
Apr 20, 2002

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I'm going to ask a stupid question to Hong Kong-based people, not Americans and other people who don't live there, and that question is, "What leverage do the people protesting imagine they have to achieve any change?" This really feels like a last gasp and a great excuse for a PRC crackdown more than anything. I assume this is just genuine anger at the system, because it doesn't make any logical sense.

ReindeerF
Apr 20, 2002

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What is going on with Occupy Disco Bay? Surely they're playing a huge part in this. The Plaza must be swarmed. Hemingway's will be offering 20% off cheese plates.

ReindeerF
Apr 20, 2002

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The Khmer only get textile work because of favorable quotas given to them by the US as a concession. The industry there has been beset by strikes and violence in the last two years.

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ReindeerF
Apr 20, 2002

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It's Taiwanese. The West pays the JOB CREATORS of Taiwan, Hong Kong and Singapore (more so the former two) to manage the Mainland Chinese. It's the circle of life and the way that most Western companies get around their total lack of ability to manage Mainland Chinese nonsense and also their potential liability for what goes on. Contract with a Taiwanese company, let them handle everything and OMG WHAT? THERE IS GAMBLING IN THIS CASINO? Meanwhile, the Taiwanese keep things in order operationally and communicate to their friends in the West in a way they can understand.

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