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FiddlersThree
Mar 13, 2010

Elliot, you IDIOT!

Tin Tim posted:

You definitely made the right call. I guess most of us assumed Gumpy would come up with some scheme to trick Fidel. And at first, you created the illusion of it. But to be honest, having future hijinks with Gumpy and Fidel could have run stale really fast. So yeah, I really like that you surprised us/me!

Cheers! The alternative I was toying with was to have Fidel back down from the fight, but then the next time Gumpy took any kind of damage, I'd have the robot go trundling off to kill Fidel. Might have been a fun resolution, but I think I'm more or less satisfied with the way this plot thread has wrapped up.

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Rockopolis
Dec 21, 2012

I MAKE FUN OF QUEER STORYGAMES BECAUSE I HAVE NOTHING BETTER TO DO WITH MY LIFE THAN MAKE OTHER PEOPLE CRY

I can't understand these kinds of games, and not getting it bugs me almost as much as me being weird
Poor Gumpy.
So, what happens to the robot?

FiddlersThree
Mar 13, 2010

Elliot, you IDIOT!

Rockopolis posted:

Poor Gumpy.
So, what happens to the robot?

You mean Gumpy's Legacy?

It will kick ash and take namesh, of courshe.

The Cheshire Cat
Jun 10, 2008

Fun Shoe

Tin Tim posted:

You definitely made the right call. I guess most of us assumed Gumpy would come up with some scheme to trick Fidel. And at first, you created the illusion of it. But to be honest, having future hijinks with Gumpy and Fidel could have run stale really fast. So yeah, I really like that you surprised us/me!

Iirc, all your mercs get hit with a bit of a morale penalty, and mercs that had a good relation with the deceased will get hit harder. But morale recovers rather quickly. You also get hit on a hidden stat, which is called "professionalism" or something like that. Each merc that dies under your command, will reduce that stat, and some mercs will not work for you if that stat is too low. As said, you can't see that stat, and it also recovers rather slowly. I think you need to win a lot of battles to fix it.

"Professionalism" seems like it actually just works out as deaths/time. So a single lost merc in the very beginning of the game will have a lot of people turning you down (losing two or three that early makes it drat near impossible to hire ANYONE), but after a few game months a few losses don't matter much, regardless of how recent they are.

I don't know if friendly fire (as it would be counted here) is considered to be different for morale/professionalism. I don't think the game keeps track of who actually kills a merc but I might be wrong.

Holywhippet
Oct 21, 2012

FiddlersThree posted:

You mean Gumpy's Legacy?

It will kick ash and take namesh, of courshe.

Do I recall correctly, that whoever is controlling the robot can't actually do anything themself in battle? Or is it just that the controller takes up the head slot? I seem to recall I usually hire the cheapest merc I can get to control the robot. Flo has already come and gone though.

Concordat
Mar 4, 2007

Secondary Objective: Commit Fraud - Complete
You were good kid, real good. Maybe even the best.

LEGO Genetics
Oct 8, 2013

She growls as she storms the stadium
A villain mean and rough
And the cops all shake and quiver and quake
as she stabs them with her cuffs
Dynamo has Engineer trait and pretty bad physical stats, he'd make a good robot operator.

On the other hand, who are we going to get to replace Fidel? I don't entirely think the demolition trait is badly needed at this point but I could be wrong. Somebody with good physical stats, decent marksmanship and who won't offend other mercs at this point. I'd say Len would be a good choice as he came up recently and gets along with pretty much everyone. The comedy choice would be Reaper to freak everyone out.

Of course, Iggy is most available for hire and gets along well with Igor and Ivan, but the rebels hate him. And when we take Alma Conrad can be taken as well.

Fiddle, will you have Speck do some commentary on Gumpys death and the Fact that it was Fidel who did it in?

FiddlersThree
Mar 13, 2010

Elliot, you IDIOT!

Holywhippet posted:

Do I recall correctly, that whoever is controlling the robot can't actually do anything themself in battle?

Unless something has changed in this version of AIMNAS that I'm not aware of, the controlling merc can operate perfectly normally when controlling the robot. The only disadvantage is that they have to wear the headset in place of a radio or extended ear. That's one reason I worked in Gumpy's advanced AI and voice command software -- so it wouldn't be too ridiculous for a merc to operate effectively while issuing commands to the robot.


LEGO Genetics posted:

Dynamo has Engineer trait and pretty bad physical stats, he'd make a good robot operator... On the other hand, who are we going to get to replace Fidel?

I still need to revisit squad composition, but I was thinking about giving the headset to Static. As for replacements for Fidel, there are a couple options. Hitman could slot in, or Hamous, maybe, or we could hire someone new. Sounds like a good opportunity for a vote!


LEGO Genetics posted:

Fiddle, will you have Speck do some commentary on Gumpys death and the Fact that it was Fidel who did it in?

MERC is pretty much out of the picture with what went down with Flo and Biff. I even had Miguel comment in this post that the team would bypass MERC and pay Gumpy directly. Mechanically, I obviously still had to process his salary through MERC, but storywise the organization is defunct. Not sure it would make sense to have Speck pop up again at this point.

Rutkowski
Apr 28, 2008

CAN YOU BELIEVE THIS GUY?
Oh man you really should hire Larry Roachburn to become the new explosives expert. 92 explosives, 70 marksmanship, 70 medical and 70 wisdom for only 700 per day! What could go wrong?



Seriously, do this.

Holywhippet
Oct 21, 2012
On a related note what would you have done if (as unlikely as it was) Fidel missed his shot or didn't do fatal damage?

FiddlersThree
Mar 13, 2010

Elliot, you IDIOT!

Rutkowski posted:

Oh man you really should hire Larry Roachburn to become the new explosives expert. 92 explosives, 70 marksmanship, 70 medical and 70 wisdom for only 700 per day! What could go wrong?

I wish I could! M.E.R.C. got hit with the bug where the later recruits don't unlock. I only got as far as Bubba before they stopped, which is one of the reasons I went the route of just mercy-killing M.E.R.C. as an organization.


Holywhippet posted:

On a related note what would you have done if (as unlikely as it was) Fidel missed his shot or didn't do fatal damage?

"poo poo! poo poo! Shoot him, robot! Shoot him!"

TerryLennox
Oct 12, 2009

There is nothing tougher than a tough Mexican, just as there is nothing gentler than a gentle Mexican, nothing more honest than an honest Mexican, and above all nothing sadder than a sad Mexican. -R. Chandler.

FiddlersThree posted:

I wish I could! M.E.R.C. got hit with the bug where the later recruits don't unlock. I only got as far as Bubba before they stopped, which is one of the reasons I went the route of just mercy-killing M.E.R.C. as an organization.


"poo poo! poo poo! Shoot him, robot! Shoot him!"

That bug is really nasty can hit you in two varieties: the first that you described where people only get unlocked till Bubba or a near merc if you are using the additional mercs patch. The other infuriating variety is where ALL the mercs unlock, you hire a few and then when you want to hire more mercs, its restricted at Bubba.

Glazius
Jul 22, 2007

Hail all those who are able,
any mouse can,
any mouse will,
but the Guard prevail.

Clapping Larry
I appreciate your dedication to your own sim.

Shame you're still getting kneecapped by bugs. Are there any other big ones with this game that you're working around?

FiddlersThree
Mar 13, 2010

Elliot, you IDIOT!

Glazius posted:

Shame you're still getting kneecapped by bugs. Are there any other big ones with this game that you're working around?

Not really, and, all things considered, the MERC bug isn't all that bad. Yeah, I'm deprived of certain characters that kind of own, but this LP isn't really intended to be an exhaustive showcase of all JA2 has to offer (no bugs, no bounty headhunting, etc.), so I'm not too worried.

I've been trying to get a little mini-post up with some ideas on how to fill the gaps in the team, but work's been busy this week and I haven't had a chance yet. Hopefully soon.

LEGO Genetics
Oct 8, 2013

She growls as she storms the stadium
A villain mean and rough
And the cops all shake and quiver and quake
as she stabs them with her cuffs
Happy Two Year Anniversary thread, you aren't dead quite yet. :toot:

Where did the two years go by so fast?

FiddlersThree
Mar 13, 2010

Elliot, you IDIOT!

LEGO Genetics posted:

Happy Two Year Anniversary thread, you aren't dead quite yet. :toot:

Where did the two years go by so fast?

No kidding! I can't believe it's been two years, and though my pace has slowed quite a bit since the early blitz, I very much appreciate those of you who have stuck around to keep reading my (infrequent) updates.

Boss is out of town next week, which means I should have some extra time to get at least something put together.

Tin Tim
Jun 4, 2012

Live by the pun - Die by the pun

Holy poo poo, has it really been going for two years? Congrats to all of us :v:

Haha, as it turns out, my very first post on SA was in this thread.

Volmarias
Dec 31, 2002

EMAIL... THE INTERNET... SEARCH ENGINES...
I've been looking forward to the next updates; we're so close to the end!

Holywhippet
Oct 21, 2012

Volmarias posted:

I've been looking forward to the next updates; we're so close to the end!

On that note, any thoughts on the final approach? As I recall you have two options - the secret tunnel or a direct assault. I always took the tunnel but was never entirely happy with that method since there isn't much cover down there. I've never tried to see how much opposition you face going straight in.

FiddlersThree
Mar 13, 2010

Elliot, you IDIOT!

Holywhippet posted:

On that note, any thoughts on the final approach? As I recall you have two options - the secret tunnel or a direct assault. I always took the tunnel but was never entirely happy with that method since there isn't much cover down there. I've never tried to see how much opposition you face going straight in.

I'm still toying with some different ideas, but I might just do both and cut between them.

But yeah, I'm expecting some death in the tunnels.

FiddlersThree
Mar 13, 2010

Elliot, you IDIOT!
Balime, Arulco
August 6, 2011 -- 0904EST





“Mike? You okay, brother?”

“I’m fine, Sam.”

“You say that a lot. It’s never very convincing.”

Michael looks up from the desk and shrugs.

“What do you want me to say, Sam? Two men died today. It’s not the first time men have died in a war, and I’m pretty sure it won’t be the last.”

There is a long pause.

“They knew what they were getting into.”

“Fidel, maybe. But Gumpy--… I should’ve stopped him. I should have just stopped the whole drat thing, Sam.”

“And risked Fidel going to the papers?”

“If it came to that, I would’ve taken him out myself. He would’ve never made it off the island.”

“Come on, Mike. I know you better than that. Besides, Gumpy’s plan was--… Hell, it was actually pretty smart. It almost worked.”

“Yeah. It was the ‘almost’ that got him killed.”

“How?”

The question catches Michael off-guard.

“What?

“How did ‘almost’ get Gumpy killed?”

“You were there, Sam. You saw the same thing I did.”

“Humor me. How did it happen?”

“He got cocky. He didn’t know when to quit, and he pushed Fidel just a little too far.”

“Exactly. Gumpy was a smart kid. Maybe even brilliant. But, come on… he’d made some bad decisions since he got to Arulco. This was more like a video game to him than real life. He never respected the assignment.”

“He was starting to.”

“’Starting to’ sounds a whole lot like ‘almost’ to me. How long do you think it woulda taken him to develop into a real merc, like an Ice or a Thor? You did the best you could with him. I mean, you watched him, you coached him, you tried to keep him from doing anything stupid… But what happened to that kid was almost inevitable. And --… Look, I know how this is gonna sound, but it’s a good thing his mistakes caught up with him here with Fidel rather than out in the field. A screwup like that coulda had us burying an entire squad rather than just two guys who hated each other.”

“I could have sent him home.”

“Sure, you coulda. But what do you think he would’ve done then? Just said, ‘Oh, Mike was right. I’m not cut out for this mercenary thing after all!’? You and I both know he would’ve just signed on with another outfit and punched his ticket in Mexico or Somalia or someplace instead.”

Michael and Sam share a silence.

“I liked the kid, Mikey. I’m gonna miss having him around.”

“Is that why you took a memento?”

He gestures to Sam’s back, where Gumpy’s katana is strapped to his pack. Sam shrugs.

“Never know when you might run into a samurai.”

“It’s good to be prepared.”

“Speaking of which, how are we looking for Alma?”

“Good enough. Jesse’s team has been monitoring activity in the base. We should be ready to move within the next couple of days.”

“What about squad makeup? We’ve--… uh, we’ve got a couple of holes to fill.”

“I’ve been thinking about that. If you're okay with it, I’d like to pull Scully into my squad for machine gun support. That’ll leave you with a gap, but--… having seen Gumpy’s robot in action, I think you could do worse than to have a small, heavily armored anti-materiel rifle rolling around to breach rooms for you.”

“I don’t think Gumpy left a manual, but I’ll have Static see if he can make sense of the thing. He seems like he’s got the right head for it. But what about you? Even with Scully, you’ll be a man short.”

“Yeah. I’ve been thinking about that, too. Hamous and Maddog are available, and their auto-shotguns might be handy in close-quarters, but neither of them is exactly a first-class operator.”

“You could grab Hitman. I know he said he wasn’t interested in a straight-up combat role, but he’s experienced, and he's pretty drat good with his rifle. He'd probably do it for the right price.”

“Or we could bring in some new blood. There are still some reputable people available from AIM.”

“Well, it’s your squad, Mikey, so it’s your call. Who do you want?”


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:siren: VOTE! :siren:


Just a quick vote to fill out the squad, and I’m planning to push on to Alma by the weekend. Voting will close Friday morning at 5am US Pacific time.

Should the last position in Michael’s squad be filled by:

A) Hamous?
B) Maddog?
C) Hitman?
D) A New Hire?
E) Other? (Dynamo, Shank, Miguel, etc.)






Just for reference, here are our updated objectives. The end is near!

Current Objectives:
1) Kill Queen Deidranna
2) Secure the military base in Alma / Liberate Alma
6) Find a use for those darned X-Ray tubes


Completed Objectives:
1) Food, water, and supplies for the rebels (Drassen)
2) Secure mines (Chitzena)
3) Secure port to ship out ore (Chitzena)
4) Liberate and fortify Chitzena
5) Find Skyrider (somewhere near Drassen)
6) Secure Drassen Airport
7) Secure mines (Drassen, Grumm, Cambria)
8) Secure SAM sites (Drassen, Chitzena, Cambria)
9) Liberate and fortify Drassen
10) Fortify SAM sites (Drassen, Chitzena, Cambria)
11) Raid weapons depot (SW of Drassen, E of Grumm)
12) Liberate and fortify Grumm
13) Find Tony the arms dealer (San Mona)
14) Free Angel's sister, Maria, from the Shady Lady (San Mona)
15) Meet with Kingpin to discuss working together against Deidranna (San Mona)
16) Kill Kingpin and destroy his criminal empire (San Mona)
17) Escort the Kulbas to Drassen (Chitzena -> Drassen)
18) Liberate and fortify Cambria
19) Secure the research facility in Orta
20) Secure Tixa Prison
21) Recover the Chalice of Chance (Balime -> Chitzena) / Liberate Balime
22) Secure the countryside with mobile militia
23) Find a video camera for Dr. Kairns' robot

FiddlersThree
Mar 13, 2010

Elliot, you IDIOT!
Sorry for just the single scene! I want to get the squad makeup addressed before plunging into Alma, which I should be able to start this weekend.

Concordat
Mar 4, 2007

Secondary Objective: Commit Fraud - Complete
For being batshit crazy, Maddog makes a pretty good soldier. Really his only weakness is his marksmanship starts off pretty terrible. Oh and that he's psycho. But there's an easy fix to that, just give him weapons without full-auto.

I could have sworn Hamous had lower marksmanship than that. Has he been training nonstop since you got him or did the mod change it?

In any case, no matter who you take you should probably leave the door breaching to someone with a higher level.

brainwrinkle
Oct 18, 2009

What's going on in here?
Buglord
Definitely take Maddog. He has great lines.

Backno
Dec 1, 2007

Goff Boyz iz da rudest Boyz

SKA SUCKS
I know nothing of this game so Maddog seems like the best pick.

LEGO Genetics
Oct 8, 2013

She growls as she storms the stadium
A villain mean and rough
And the cops all shake and quiver and quake
as she stabs them with her cuffs
Take Maddog so Michael can keep an eye on him.

radintorov
Feb 18, 2011
As a Jagged Alliance game, the option I have to vote is Hamous. :colbert:
Also I'm a bit late, but congratulations: I'm surprised to find out that it has been a whole two years since this adventure started. :)

The Evil Thing
Jul 3, 2010
At this point, I think Mike knows better than to get a second Fidel, so it would probably be Hitman. (Because I tossed a coin and Hamous lost.)

Damegane
May 7, 2013
A vote for Hamous, only because I would want to see Miguel leading a mildly gimpy locals-only team for the final assault later.

Also because there's a good chance of running into bloodcats near Alma, and Hamous's bloodcat encounter line is the best. :haw:

FiddlersThree
Mar 13, 2010

Elliot, you IDIOT!

Concordat posted:

I could have sworn Hamous had lower marksmanship than that. Has he been training nonstop since you got him or did the mod change it?

I don't remember what Hamous' starting stats in vanilla are like, but in this edition at least, he starts at 78 Marksmanship (the "+1" next to his Marksmanship indicates how much that stat has risen over the course of the game... contrast with Hitman who's already got a +8 to Leadership from training militia).

FiddlersThree
Mar 13, 2010

Elliot, you IDIOT!
Current voting tally:

Maddog: 3
Hamous: 2
Hitman: 1

Voting closes tomorrow morning at 5am US Pacific!

Volmarias
Dec 31, 2002

EMAIL... THE INTERNET... SEARCH ENGINES...

FiddlersThree posted:

Current voting tally:

Maddog: 3
Hamous: 2
Hitman: 1

Voting closes tomorrow morning at 5am US Pacific!

Voting Hamous to make things interesting.

Gatac
Apr 22, 2008

Fifty Cent's next biopic.
Throwing my vote at Hamous, too.

FiddlersThree
Mar 13, 2010

Elliot, you IDIOT!
Voting Closed:

Hamous: 4
Maddog: 3
Hitman: 1

Onwards to Alma...

Rutkowski
Apr 28, 2008

CAN YOU BELIEVE THIS GUY?
Hamous' marksmanship isn't changed from vanilla, he has always had decent in that stat with everything else being mediocre to bad or just horrible(wisdom).

Glazius
Jul 22, 2007

Hail all those who are able,
any mouse can,
any mouse will,
but the Guard prevail.

Clapping Larry
So I take it even if you're holding a giant portion of the island, the endgame still isn't going to be a cakewalk?

Concordat
Mar 4, 2007

Secondary Objective: Commit Fraud - Complete
Depends how you go about it.

Coco13
Jun 6, 2004

My advice to you is to start drinking heavily.
Netflix just put up Burn Notice. Season 3, episode 11 is the one with El Diablo for those scoring at home.

Holywhippet
Oct 21, 2012

Glazius posted:

So I take it even if you're holding a giant portion of the island, the endgame still isn't going to be a cakewalk?

It does depend on what mods you have installed. I distinctly recall never running into tanks prior to the final city but I was always playing on easy. For that matter I never found many anti-tank weapons like LAW rockets either. There are more enemies with rocket rifles also. Makes sense, the Queen keeps her best troops close to her home.

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FiddlersThree
Mar 13, 2010

Elliot, you IDIOT!

Holywhippet posted:

It does depend on what mods you have installed. I distinctly recall never running into tanks prior to the final city but I was always playing on easy. For that matter I never found many anti-tank weapons like LAW rockets either. There are more enemies with rocket rifles also. Makes sense, the Queen keeps her best troops close to her home.

Yeah. AIMNAS has some seriously tough and well-equipped dudes near the end. The tunnel route is also a lot more difficult, with higher-level enemies that often win interrupts when your guys go stumbling around blind corners.

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