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RadicalWall
May 30, 2005

I have no idea whats going on.

Death Cube K posted:

Why couldn't they just port the maps from MNC and make them Tubrocross only like I suggested earlier? I'm not trying to be facetious or anything, I'm seriously asking.

They probably changed a lot of the engine and entity stuff between MNC and SMNC. Not that they couldn't port them, but it would probably require some work.

Also if I remember correctly the MNC maps were significantly smaller than the SMNC ones, which would lead to even quicker rolls.

RadicalWall fucked around with this message at May 26, 2012 around 11:09

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keeb
Sep 24, 2003
The Shocker

Only reason to play turbocross is to afk while you lose in 2 minutes and collect your combat coins. It's like ubernet said "Hey, you thought our new map was bad and untested? Wait until you see our attempt at a new game mode!". It's supercross from here on out for me.

Phoix
Jul 20, 2006
a jerk

keeb posted:

Only reason to play turbocross is to afk while you lose in 2 minutes and collect your combat coins. It's like ubernet said "Hey, you thought our new map was bad and untested? Wait until you see our attempt at a new game mode!". It's supercross from here on out for me.

I'm conflicted because it really is a poorly thought out mess but it's like they gave us Commando players our own mode.

Drakes
Jul 18, 2007

Why my bullets no hit?

RadicalWall posted:

They probably changed a lot of the engine and entity stuff between MNC and SMNC. Not that they couldn't port them, but it would probably require some work.

Also if I remember correctly the MNC maps were significantly smaller than the SMNC ones, which would lead to even quicker rolls.

The jackbot on shield down in SMNC makes turbocross settle quickly.

I think this is one of the quicker rolls I've had on MNC and it still took a good 3-4 minutes http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=cKxSHGY1qaY. But yeah MNC maps were hilariously small to where some pros can get from their spawn to the enemies in about 2-3 seconds on some maps.

Drakes fucked around with this message at May 26, 2012 around 12:59

Youremother
Dec 25, 2011

MORT

Man, I had really forgotten just how powerful the Assault was in old MNC. Those were the days

jfjnpxmy
Feb 23, 2011


Having gotten better at this game (to the extent that I am now regularly causing ragequits as a Veteran and have had people Steam messaging me for being a "lucker scrub") I have this to say: gently caress Karl, still.


Also, the only thing more satisfying than Ka-Clawing a sniper off his perch and bashing his loving face in is catching hold of an assassin and casually drop-kicking her ninja rear end off the edge of the world.

Dorroile
Apr 11, 2008
Probation
Can't post for 2 hours!


Man, Bot Buster is just hilarious on Cheston. As long as you can avoid dying too much (which isn't TOO hard, since you have a bunch of mobility tools) you can pretty much melt bots just by vaguely pointing your tommygun at them.

KildarX
Oct 24, 2010

Worst decision I ever made.


Youremother posted:

Man, I had really forgotten just how powerful the Assault was in old MNC. Those were the days

Oh for the days of assault being able to completely ignore assassins...

Sputnik
Jul 21, 2003

I felt like a ninja, and my kung-fu was strong.


This is probably more economy talk that we usually get in here, but I just got an Assault Sunburst II grenade launcher from a post-game drop. Does anyone have a feel for that worth? A lone bacon endorsement? A Chickey hat? A sweet bucket of gently caress-all?

Vanderdeath
Oct 1, 2005

God was a dream of good government.



That video makes me miss MNC even more. No Mickey, no futuristic gladiatorial arenas...just what are we fighting for?

Lucinice
Feb 15, 2012

Aw hey that's cute.


Vanderdeath posted:

That video makes me miss MNC even more. No Mickey, no futuristic gladiatorial arenas...just what are we fighting for?

We're fighting to provide entertainment to the enslaved masses of the future.

Also because it's fun.

Alteisen
Jun 4, 2007



Vanderdeath posted:

That video makes me miss MNC even more. No Mickey, no futuristic gladiatorial arenas...just what are we fighting for?

Mustaches and flair.

Dorroile
Apr 11, 2008
Probation
Can't post for 2 hours!


Man, Turbocross really isn't fun at all. Spam longshot turrets, shoot enemies until they die, and why do they even bother having bots.

Section Z
Oct 1, 2008

Secret Quest Is Not Quite How I Remember It


jfjnpxmy posted:

I have this to say: gently caress Karl, still.

jfjnpxmy posted:

Also, the only thing more satisfying than Ka-Clawing a sniper off his perch and bashing his loving face in is catching hold of an assassin and casually drop-kicking her ninja rear end off the edge of the world.
But getting ring outs on stupid commandos is my favorite thing to do with Karl too, we can be pals after all!

Though, could you be more specific why "gently caress Karl"?

vvv: This would do nothing about the people who DID buy a pro and lock it down before you and still make you wish someone less stupid was at the helm (At least the complete newb sins usualy listen to me... The other complete newb sin, telling them dark secrets like "Firebase will stop shooting you if you cloak"). Not to mention the influx of "Pay To Win" screaming.

From an actual "payment" standpoint, how are they going to get anyone new to shell out dollars or credits for a class if people who already own them lock them out and tell them to go gently caress themselves? Yeah, that will really encourage them to try new pros.

Section Z fucked around with this message at May 26, 2012 around 20:27

Alteisen
Jun 4, 2007



So am the only one that wishes, that if you own a pro you get priority over locking it? Would make those free class weekends much more bearable.

The Phantom Ghost
Feb 28, 2007

hold on what kind of fighting robot is he again

Alteisen posted:

Mustaches and flair.

Lost another shooter to TF2!

Miss-Bomarc
Aug 1, 2009


It's so cute how Uber thinks that not letting people rejoin will keep them from ragequitting.

Rorus Raz
Nov 13, 2011

Rambunctious Rocketeer


I just noticed that you can now filter replays to show your games only.

Not sure when that got added. Oh, and you can report players! Press M

Grapplejack
Nov 27, 2007



So what's the best way to become less terrible at this game? I went from being pretty good to getting shitstomped constantly by classes that feel like they have pet assassins or supports to follow them and land the killing blow

computer parts
Nov 18, 2010

Pam you better not be making pornos!


Grapplejack posted:

So what's the best way to become less terrible at this game? I went from being pretty good to getting shitstomped constantly by classes that feel like they have pet assassins or supports to follow them and land the killing blow

Play with friends, basically.

RadicalWall
May 30, 2005

I have no idea whats going on.

For a good time, check out the mumble. Happy endings available.

Kaboobi
Jan 5, 2005

SHAKE IT BABY!
SALT THAT LADY!


For a bad time, play a solo game.

Require More Fire
Feb 18, 2010

"Think of the deeds of hellish cruelty, the hidden wickedness which may go on, year in, year out, in such places, and none the wiser."

I think I'm done for good with Turbocross. I haven't had any of these fast games everyone talks about; I'm still having 20 minute matches. The only difference is things feel completely unbalanced and I die even MORE, especially thanks to Longshots.

Roach Warehouse
Nov 1, 2010

If you haven't found any communists in your backyard, you're not looking hard enough!

KildarX posted:

Oh for the days of assault being able to completely ignore assassins...

I miss being able to one hit them with the charge grapple.

Section Z
Oct 1, 2008

Secret Quest Is Not Quite How I Remember It


Tiggy Sawdust posted:

I miss being able to one hit them with the charge grapple.
Play tank! High ranked Charge plus Spin is close enough. Though you don't get to be as much of a flying rear end in a top hat.

Late Edit To Avoid Double Post: I just found out the most tragic thing about Assassin. I can't set Flip Kick to my Taunt on everything. Come on man, its a free default taunt! Lemme use it!

Can you at least weapon switch on the winners platform? I have yet to try.

Section Z fucked around with this message at May 27, 2012 around 08:14

Phoix
Jul 20, 2006
a jerk

Require More Fire posted:

I think I'm done for good with Turbocross. I haven't had any of these fast games everyone talks about; I'm still having 20 minute matches. The only difference is things feel completely unbalanced and I die even MORE, especially thanks to Longshots.

Play a Commando. I'm basically farming CC with Spark at this point. I just backdoor immediately and shoot down the rocket turrets.

oldskool
Aug 9, 2010


Five minute turbocross where our assassin spent more time yelling at Karl than doing anything. Great start.

Rirse
May 6, 2006


oldskool posted:

Five minute turbocross where our assassin spent more time yelling at Karl than doing anything. Great start.

Must be the assassin I fought yesterday, where me and a really good support kept killing her and they kept getting pissed the entire match, saying this mode sucks and thinks the support is hacking.

OneEightHundred
Feb 28, 2008

Soon, we will be unstoppable!


Okay, how the gently caress do you do anything as Vet when the other team picked gunner aside from try to claw-pull people I guess?

Kaboobi
Jan 5, 2005

SHAKE IT BABY!
SALT THAT LADY!


OneEightHundred posted:

Okay, how the gently caress do you do anything as Vet when the other team picked gunner aside from try to claw-pull people I guess?

That's mostly what you're supposed to do in general, or just play like a fatsassin with your decent mobility and crazy amount of life.

Alteisen
Jun 4, 2007



I feel vet is one of those dudes that needs a good team, once he gets someone everyone should be shooting the gently caress out of the grappled dude.

Fat Assassin also works, I played with one that hung out in the jungle a lot and just dominated the spark and sin up there.

Section Z
Oct 1, 2008

Secret Quest Is Not Quite How I Remember It


oldskool posted:

Five minute turbocross where our assassin spent more time yelling at Karl than doing anything. Great start.
Why!? Why all this Karl hatred!... Or was it just generic "Clearly a stupid idiot playing the only free class not locked down this match" yelling?

OneEightHundred posted:

Okay, how the gently caress do you do anything as Vet when the other team picked gunner aside from try to claw-pull people I guess?
You got like, what. A homing weapon, three freaking grapple (one a charge grapple) and a pull power? With incidental jump jets to win bunny hopping grappler fights more easily. Play wascot for a while then we'll talk about Mr. Fat Melee having hard time with Gunners compared to the actual Fat Assassin.

I'm sorry, I'm just somewhat bitter about Ace Veterans on both teams complaining about their Ka-Klaw not granting them an instant kill every single use during my times running "Known Issue: Buggy Crook Hook" Wascot. With bonus moments of the Vet on my team complaining about me every time the enemy Vet murdered my face with no Ka-Klaw involved. "Use your shifty shuffle you loving noob" Well, yes. Obviously the 7 seconds, one grapple save shifty shuffle will work wonders against the guy with three grapples.

Edit vvv I'm not saying the floating slamming rear end in a top hat maneuver isn't a problem for a Vet, or any Pro to deal with up close and personal. I'm just saying other pros have it even worse than Vet against gunner. At the very least if you can spare the products, Cant Slow This I've found can be helpful at closing the distance for the grab on a slamming gunner anyways... Though I've often found myself double slowed thus Cant Slow This bypassed around a slamming gunner.

Gunners only have the one slow right? I'm mostly sure its just a case of bad luck getting hit my multiple slow sources when they slam (Yes, I know it doesn't turn on until level 5).

As for "look in my general direction and hold a skill or attack" Falcon alt fire slow slam then Floating vets spamming their melee against commandos man. Of course, a commando IS piles easier to kill than a Gunner if they don't teleport away admittedly.

Back to trying to give useful info beyond just saying "Your Vet is lucky compared to some other Pros", Cant Slow this if you can spare it for the slam, dive rolling behind the gunner once they start floating and shooting at you, then keeping on the move if they are smart enough to 180 mid flight (can you even do that without massive air?). As a vet, you can use your charging grapple skill to close the distance fast in a moment they land to catch them off guard compared to hanging by their ankles spamming melee alt fire. If Ka-Klaw is charged, a floating Vet isn't a very fast nor small target, But I assume the main issue is the gunner busting out all their tricks after a Klaw.

If all this (Minus the Ka-Klaw and charge grapple) can work for a newb sin, then it should work for a Vet... Granted, Sin blind helps a lot there. As a Vet, you "should" be sticking with teammates anyways for best dogpile murder potential... But you can't always trust people to stick with you, or to back you up even if they are.

Section Z fucked around with this message at May 27, 2012 around 20:44

OneEightHundred
Feb 28, 2008

Soon, we will be unstoppable!


Section Z posted:

You got like, what. A homing weapon, three freaking grapple (one a charge grapple) and a pull power?
Yeah that all works great when a gunner decides they want to force a fight and can avoid grapples by slamming or holding down the space bar. I'll just hold them off with my falcon launcher that takes about 50 rounds to do as much damage as they do by looking in my general direction and pressing E.

OneEightHundred fucked around with this message at May 27, 2012 around 22:09

Chainclaw
Feb 14, 2009



Kaboobi posted:

For a bad time, play a solo game.



Steps to win solo queue:

1. Play Megabeth.
2. Rainbow spin kill everything that moves.
3. Congrats you win.

Bonus points:
4. Make sure the map is Gun Mountain and buy Shelly constantly.



I did jump into Mumble before solo queuing, but I only had time for one match and there were already 6 people in the channel.

Section Z
Oct 1, 2008

Secret Quest Is Not Quite How I Remember It


I have a silly question about Turbo regarding Endos. Okay, you do not get passive health and damage upgrades as you level. How does this effect the Health Endos? Those give you your health bonus per level normally right?

Unrelated to Turbo, but an Endo question. How bad is -4.50% Health regeneration? So small it doesn't matter? Inconsequential on a Sin but a nightmare on a Tank?

I ask because my "someday, when I'm not poor" Endo outlook is something like this.
http://smnc.lennardf1989.com/Calcul...,39,39,39,39,39

That, or no skill endos and straight Lv4 Speeds which nets you Default health, +48 speed, and +5.40% skill recovery.

I just hate accuracy penalties VV Karl's Laser circle is already nightmarishly big for my tastes.

OneEightHundred
Feb 28, 2008

Soon, we will be unstoppable!


Chainclaw posted:

Bonus points:
4. Make sure the map is Gun Mountain and buy Shelly constantly.
Other thing you can do on Gun Mountain: Buy Bouncers when the annihilator is coming up. It's the ONLY map where buyable bouncers will gently caress with the annihilator.

Kaboobi posted:

For a bad time, play a solo game.
That was my second game with Beth ever and the support pretty much only healed his firebase.

OneEightHundred fucked around with this message at May 27, 2012 around 22:54

oldskool
Aug 9, 2010


Section Z posted:

Why!? Why all this Karl hatred!... Or was it just generic "Clearly a stupid idiot playing the only free class not locked down this match" yelling?

The latter. I ended up in two more games with the same angry assassin and he did really well in both of those, so the only reason he sucked in the first game was because he was literally too busy typing angry insults towards whoever was playing Karl to participate in the game effectively.

Section Z
Oct 1, 2008

Secret Quest Is Not Quite How I Remember It


oldskool posted:

The latter. I ended up in two more games with the same angry assassin and he did really well in both of those, so the only reason he sucked in the first game was because he was literally too busy typing angry insults towards whoever was playing Karl to participate in the game effectively.
Ah, that's something at least... Even if people bringing shame to Karl is always a tragedy. More people need to realize you got to play Karl like a very slow commando that must ensure no turret survives just like a tank. As well as following his own advice "Kill all the robots".

Conversely, I've started to better cash wise with Assassin when I started to "play it like Karl". My deaths are reasonably low, but my cash inflow was shameful (Oh hey, two levels below everyone else on my team despite zero/1 or 2 deaths) until I did that.

Also seconding the love for bouncers on Gun Mountain. People always seem so surprised too.

a cock shaped fruit
Aug 23, 2010

Pictured: Lara Croft

GUNAWREKIT


Section Z posted:

Also seconding the love for bouncers on Gun Mountain. People always seem so surprised too.

The more I play Gun mountain this patch, the more I like it. The Shelly change to hit only the lane it's closest really made it more manageable.

The whole 'bouncer on same part of map as anni' thing is glorious too, playing a particularly hard game yesterday their entire team set up on the anni and my team all approached from the left lane, while I headed to right lane and bought a bouncer - It was a perfect storm of confusion that left them all dead or too low to fight - my teams gunner juiced and was shooting from the left, the bouncer approached them from behind and grappled the heal botting CombatGirl, their gunner panic juiced right as I ka klawed him and rolled away, leaving their assault and CG desperately fighting the bouncer while my team swept in and demolished them. By the time their gunner got back, it was too late - And then he got grappled by my -still alive- bouncer. It was magnificent.

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oldskool
Aug 9, 2010


Am I the only one with a bug that means I can't use any mouse buttons besides left & right-click? I can't set them to anything and if I try it boots me from the options to the main menu.

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