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Doc Monopoly posted:They aren't hidden. You can see what they have, but only after you die. That's pretty much what hidden information is - you have to make a decision without complete knowledge of the situation. That can be okay in some cases, but given how powerful and swingy products are, it doesn't feel right in this case.
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Bot Buster + Critically Late is a pretty sick combo, too, especially on pros who get a huge boost when they upgrade from level 3 offense to level 4. Violently Car posted:That's pretty much what hidden information is - you have to make a decision without complete knowledge of the situation. That can be okay in some cases, but given how powerful and swingy products are, it doesn't feel right in this case. This may be a good point. If they're going to give you that information anyway, they may as well just make it visible from the lobby and score screen. socialsecurity posted:I have about a 25% win ratio due to constant afks on my team I'm not trying to be an rear end in a top hat, but if you're saying this you don't understand this game at a very basic level. This game is not about individual skill. Sentiments like "I played awesome but the rest of my team sucked and that's why we lost" show an inherent misconception about the game. (well, generally, anyway) If your whole team isn't working together, it almost doesn't even matter if one player is awesome, especially if they're up against a coordinated team. Conversely, if your team is well coordinated, then even if no one on your team is that skilled, you can still win easily against an uncoordinated team full of skilled players. The point is this: you can't expect to win if you're playing with players that you can't communicate with and depend on. Basically, this means that pick-up groups aren't viable. Maybe if the game had great built-in VOIP and matchmaking, but certainly not as is.
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| # ? Mar 5, 2012 02:56 |
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What's the product that obscures your vision with bunch of product labels and poo poo? That thing is seriously annoying
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Tank's product grenade
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washow posted:What's the product that obscures your vision with bunch of product labels and poo poo? That thing is seriously annoying Man, the worst part to me is that you can't even see how much health you have while its up. Is there a way to figure that out that I'm not noticing? I mean, I guess if you get into critical you could tell, but by then it's kind of too late. Maybe they should change that aspect of it...
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XboxPants posted:Man, the worst part to me is that you can't even see how much health you have while its up. Is there a way to figure that out that I'm not noticing? I mean, I guess if you get into critical you could tell, but by then it's kind of too late. Maybe they should change that aspect of it... Isn't that kinda the point?
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Kaboobi posted:Isn't that kinda the point? Just because something is "the point" doesn't mean its an enjoyable mechanic to fight around.
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Kaboobi posted:Isn't that kinda the point? If it's the point, then it's bad game design. Anyway, Ekanaut said they'd look into a way of getting products on the scoreboard, so I don't think they're explicitly making it so you can't know their products.
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There is nothing funnier than identifying someone who is obviously new to commando in a game, typing "By the way, commandos can do a roll by hitting R with their melee weapon out." and immediately seeing them commando roll right off the map. 
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a cock shaped fruit posted:There is nothing funnier than identifying someone who is obviously new to commando in a game, typing "By the way, commandos can do a roll by hitting R with their melee weapon out." and immediately seeing them commando roll right off the map. My first Crook Hook shot missed a pro, latched on to the very corner of a wall and threw me off the edge in Spunky Cola.  I still don't like Wascot.
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I died twice in one game to Chicky Cantor knockbacks occuring just as I went into the jungle to escape in Loco Moco. Also in another game Chicky glitched or something and got down from the jungle and knocked out three enemy players, giving us the win. In short, nerf Chicky.
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Whoa won a gear as a prize... and it's wascot's heartbreaker legs when it's not even wascot week and it'll take me 2 years to unlock him 
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socialsecurity posted:The prices in this game are too high, I know they want you to use the cash shop but I don't feel comfortable spending money on this game until there is decent matchmaking. I have played over 40 games not and I just now have enough money to buy a product or one of the fewer heroes. Meanwhile I fight people with custom product/endorsement every single match. I quite like the high prices. You set your goals and you save for those tasty new characters or products. Given that it now rains endorsements and products from the free prizes, it's even easier than it was.
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Rorus Raz posted:Health Inverter + Death Dodger if you want to be the Arch rear end in a top hat. It does not and it's fantastic!
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I don't know how people play commandos against a competent teams If you grab someone, the entire team will be on your rear end spamming grapples and it's about impossible to get away. I played a couple games against a decent premade and my pub team got destroyed so fast it wasn't even funny. I was blinding people and jumping around but nope. Some how they turn around and chain grab me to death right after I drop my smoke bomb as assassin. I know you are supposed to jump away and poo poo but I got grabbed mid air so many times today ugh
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washow posted:I don't know how people play commandos against a competent teams Commandoes have escape mechanisms that you are supposed to use to get away from situations like that. If you are getting chain grappled, then you have engaged a target you shouldn't have. You should only attack low health or solo targets (Here you have to take into account what class you are attacking, how much health they are expected to have) With that said, if you are with pubbies against a 5 man pre-made, there is not a lot you can do. Your team will be scattered across the map trying to get L33t killz while the pre-made will be sticking together in groups no smaller than 2 and playing the objective. Get in Mumble and play with goons (We're not very good, but we stick together)
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a cock shaped fruit posted:There is nothing funnier than identifying someone who is obviously new to commando in a game, typing "By the way, commandos can do a roll by hitting R with their melee weapon out." and immediately seeing them commando roll right off the map. I tried to play assassin with some goons in the mumble, after not playing assassin since mnc I pretty mcuh forgot everything. as I'm running around I'm looking over a cliff and trying to reload my shuriken spammer. 'nuff said I hope Lilleput posted:With that said, if you are with pubbies against a 5 man pre-made, there is not a lot you can do. Your team will be scattered across the map trying to get L33t killz while the pre-made will be sticking together in groups no smaller than 2 and playing the objective. also this cannot be emphasized enough
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Products or endorsements don't break the game at all. They're nice, that's for sure, but after playing a few games and forgetting my stuff, I felt more annoyed than crippled. They help tailor the game to your playstyle more than anything. I usually play commando with hot hands, inspire and can't slow this, but I played three games yesterday forgetting to put any of those on my assassin and it really was just an inconvenience. They make the game easier but they don't win for you, the only thing that wins is good play. Same for my crit/money magnet setup on gunner. Nonetheless, I would say that you can get an effective setup by getting money magnet and a page of skill regen endorsements. Not that many CC's at all. washow posted:I don't know how people play commandos against a competent teams Stop grappling, duh. Grappling commits you to a fight and negates your escape mechanics. If you can hit an isolated dude but you're not sure he's 100% alone, just wail on him until help arrives and then get out. You make him vulnerable with low health and sometimes that's enough. If you have no ganking opportunities, just farm and push. Commandos are good at farming and pushing and you have the mobility to quickly switch from jungling/ganking to farming and back, so always either be attacking pros or bots. If you fall behind, it sucks, but generally even if you're not getting 10-0 in the first five minutes, you can stay even and effective by heavy farming. Basically, you're probably over-committing against full-health dudes. I would open with a grapple on people with reduced health, but against competent teams, it's unlikely you're going to burst a full-health pro down before help arrives. Remember, predators pick on the sick and wounded members of the pack.
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Lilleput posted:Get in Mumble and play with goons (We're not very good, but we stick together) And you can listen to me play a very bad Combat Girl.
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I swear to god this game is doing everything in it's power to make me miserable this week,. Lag,leavers and curb stomps sure make a fun game.
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Eejit posted:Stop grappling, duh. Grappling commits you to a fight and negates your escape mechanics. If you can hit an isolated dude but you're not sure he's 100% alone, just wail on him until help arrives and then get out. You make him vulnerable with low health and sometimes that's enough. If you have no ganking opportunities, just farm and push. Commandos are good at farming and pushing and you have the mobility to quickly switch from jungling/ganking to farming and back, so always either be attacking pros or bots. If you fall behind, it sucks, but generally even if you're not getting 10-0 in the first five minutes, you can stay even and effective by heavy farming. There is also something to be said for harassing the opposing team without fully engaging. As Spark I like to throw Megahurtz, alt-fire Voltage Spike if I have it, and maybe get a few whacks for Flashing away just to stunt a push a bit or in general, cause a little panic. The dance pros do while blind from Megahurtz is really enertaining.
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This is great advice. The two things that make me panic most are seeing Wascot prancing after me and being hit unaware by Megahurtz. Does anyone know if Megahurtz count as a stun for the purposes of "Can't Stun This?"
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The new warning when the annihilator is 30seconds away is useful, but I cannot wait for them to rerecord the voice.
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Thrill Cosby posted:This is great advice. The two things that make me panic most are seeing Wascot prancing after me and being hit unaware by Megahurtz. It doesn't, as it's just a blind.
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Mojo Jojo posted:The new warning when the annihilator is 30seconds away is useful, but I cannot wait for them to rerecord the voice. I realize that having those announcements is probably the right design call and a good thing for the fun of the game in general, but I'll still miss the old design. Needing your high mobility pros to keep an eye on the timer to check how long until it's back up, and constantly keeping in communication about it. Being the team that was better at collecting and distributing intel was a cool element of the game. Though, I suppose that's one little thing that makes the game just a tad easier for pub groups! As I said, probably the right idea. But it is another thing that makes me hope they have a lot of customization options for pre-made matches. Being able to switch that on and off, switch around Jackbot spawning options, choose your map, etc. Would be cool!
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Liberatore posted:It doesn't, as it's just a blind. It also deals damage, another reason why it's a useful harassment skill. Assassin's smoke bomb does slow along with flash, though.
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XboxPants posted:I realize that having those announcements is probably the right design call and a good thing for the fun of the game in general, but I'll still miss the old design. Needing your high mobility pros to keep an eye on the timer to check how long until it's back up, and constantly keeping in communication about it. Being the team that was better at collecting and distributing intel was a cool element of the game. No one ever used high mobility pros to physically check the annihilator. You just hit tab and look at the time.
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Saint Freak posted:No one ever used high mobility pros to physically check the annihilator. You just hit tab and look at the time. There's plenty of games where a fight will go on for 2-3 minutes and no one makes note of when they finally got it. On the other hand, 30 seconds isn't really enough time to go up there for supports and be set up before others get there so you still want to check it if you don't know the exact time.
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DangerKat posted:It also deals damage, another reason why it's a useful harassment skill. Assassin's smoke bomb does slow along with flash, though. Megahurtz slows, it just doesn't work on bots/turrets like smoke does.
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Saint Freak posted:No one ever used high mobility pros to physically check the annihilator. You just hit tab and look at the time. I did this all the time if the game went on late.
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Noticing a rather lovely bug where the moneyball is going down despite both Rokkit Towers being up. Have lost and won a game due to the freebie Jackpots this provides.
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Jackbots pathing still seems buggy, I saw one walking around the other teams spawn last night  Also, I've been having a lot of fun knocking neutral bouncers down on Loco Moco, especially when they kill one of my teammates.
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Bottom Liner posted:Jackbots pathing still seems buggy, I saw one walking around the other teams spawn last night Yeah last night we had our Jackbot get stuck in Spunky City, presumably where they were supposed to have fixed it, which is why you haven't been able to play it for a week...?
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Dang jungle bots do so much damage. Even when I'm like lvl10 I almost get killed by them
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I've heard people suggest that the neutrals do more damage than the spawned counterparts. Anyone know if this is true? Also, is it me, or can bouncers grab you from, like, 6 feet away?
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XboxPants posted:I've heard people suggest that the neutrals do more damage than the spawned counterparts. Anyone know if this is true? Also, is it me, or can bouncers grab you from, like, 6 feet away? They're the same exact bot with different colors. Edit: Confirmed by Devs.
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XboxPants posted:I've heard people suggest that the neutrals do more damage than the spawned counterparts. Anyone know if this is true? Also, is it me, or can bouncers grab you from, like, 6 feet away? Bouncers are really buggy, yeah. They'll pretty regularly grab you despite being nowhere near you so if you can't remain airborne for the entire fight you should just bail.
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Rorus Raz posted:Noticing a rather lovely bug where the moneyball is going down despite both Rokkit Towers being up. Have lost and won a game due to the freebie Jackpots this provides. That would be scramblers making their way to your ball. It's rare, but it happens. Also, I would un-ironically buy "Can't Blind This".
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a cock shaped fruit posted:That would be scramblers making their way to your ball. It's rare, but it happens. I would put this on all my combat girl builds, nothing is worse than having your nest get hosed up as you get wailed on, you could at least grab them for the 2 seconds until your kitties get unfucked.
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a cock shaped fruit posted:
Same here. Ideally have a product build just for when I see the other team has a Spark queued up.
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