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Doc Monopoly posted:I have one invite. I bet you can't findit. Thank you, I already have the game, but needed one last invite for a friend. I gave you a invite to the SA Goons and SMNC Group in return.
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Just got in the beta. Never played MNC, but I think this game is pretty good so far. Do I just follow my team around and kill things? That has been my MO so far. I also have some invites if someone needs them. Also, can I get an invite to the goon group? http://steamcommunity.com/id/Himself1
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| # ? Feb 18, 2012 21:01 |
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Officer Sandvich posted:Is the assault basically the same he was in MNC? He was the only class I learned to play (ringouts all day). I was the same way in MNC and when I first played Assault in SMNC I was pissed there was no auto-grapple at the end of the charge attack and blew quiet hard for a few games. However after messing around with other pros and getting to know the game, I have come back around to that sauve bastard as one of my main pros. If you know what to do, he still owns.
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| # ? Feb 18, 2012 21:20 |
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Decided to take the plunge and get into this beta; does anyone have some pointers for a lovely Tank? I figured the slow, up-close damage-soaker would fit perfect for me, but it feels like I'm spending most of my time trying not to get my teeth kicked in by a gorilla and his Rocketeer-clone buddy, and the OP description is about as bare-bones as you can get. Is the charge ability ever worthwhile?
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ChickenHeart posted:Decided to take the plunge and get into this beta; does anyone have some pointers for a lovely Tank? I figured the slow, up-close damage-soaker would fit perfect for me, but it feels like I'm spending most of my time trying not to get my teeth kicked in by a gorilla and his Rocketeer-clone buddy, and the OP description is about as bare-bones as you can get. Is the charge ability ever worthwhile? Try leveling up a pure defense, shield offense build. (1. health 2. shield 3. offense 4. health etcetera) As for the charge, use it to butt people into your towers or off the arena. Remember, you have a jetpack, when in use you can't be grappled!
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| # ? Feb 18, 2012 21:43 |
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Edge Zero posted:Also is there a reason to ever use charge except to get the hell out of dodge when poo poo goes south or to go places a bit faster? It says it does damage but I never see it do much of anything if I ram someone. It also has knockback, and in such a strategic game, placement can be everything. Ringouts are an obvious choice when available, however, it's far from the only option. It's also great to knock people off the annihilator, especially on one of the small ones, or to knock people off of/into the jungle. Remember, most pros can't just easily get back up. Now they either have to spend several seconds running back up, or give up on whatever they were doing. Several seconds can be a big thing in this game. The other option, though, is pure placement control. Strikers, as a rule, are very mobile, and Assault is no exception. Get behind the enemy and you can gently caress them up with a knockback. An enemy pushing hard is very vulnerable to at push from behind, since you can knock them either towards one of your turrets or into a group of your guys who can then start a grapplechain. It's risky, since you have to charge right through the back of their group to do it, but it's relatively safe for Assault, since the charge will move you move of the way through and put you back on your side. Or, if you want to be really nasty, you can even knock neutral jungle bots off the jungle down into the fray; though, make sure you're putting them onto the enemy's side, and not your own! This isn't really an option on Spunky, but if you're lucky you might get a chance to knock your team's bots down into the jungle. Rare that you'd get that chance, but a fuji or a scrambler or a bouncer or even a blackjack can really give an enemy hell during an annihilator duel.
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| # ? Feb 18, 2012 22:56 |
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So now the game just starts crashing all over the place. Not letting people choose pros. It seems like it's like this for a lot of people as i just had a "game" where 3 people on each team diddent connect and my game crashed after 2 minutes. All this in the last 30 minutes after playing 2 hours without any problems.
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XboxPants posted:Or, if you want to be really nasty, you can even knock neutral jungle bots off the jungle down into the fray; though, make sure you're putting them onto the enemy's side, and not your own! This isn't really an option on Spunky, but if you're lucky you might get a chance to knock your team's bots down into the jungle. Rare that you'd get that chance, but a fuji or a scrambler or a bouncer or even a blackjack can really give an enemy hell during an annihilator duel. Any Pro with a knockback grapple can do this pretty reliably, and I myself have Karl Kicked a neutral Bouncer into the enemies base while my friends had just spawned a bouncer in each lane. Cue enemy team saying "gently caress OFF 3 BOUNCERS WTFFFFFFFFFFFF"
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Eigo posted:I don't think this is the case anymore, they nerfed his shield HP a shitload and he does very little damage without being directly in their face which he isn't going to pull off without his team or some weird 1 on 1 fight where someone lets him get close. I remember goons showing earlier Tank videos where he was basically unkillable, but right now he's pretty hard to get in for damage without dying unless your whole team is there to back you up. Alright, I'll just take your word for it. Still, I really hate persistent leveling/advantages in multiplayer games, so I probably won't be playing anyway. I don't get how people find it satisfying to win because they spent more time/money on the game instead of having everyone being on an even playing field outside of how good you actually are at the game. It's the same reason I don't like Call of Duty from Modern Warfare on. I also still don't like the game's aesthetics. It's ugly. E: If anyone wants in on SMNC though, I have 3 extra passes I'll gladly give away. http://steamcommunity.com/id/palmtreefun PalmTreeFun fucked around with this message at Feb 18, 2012 around 23:22 |
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Lilleput posted:So now the game just starts crashing all over the place. Not letting people choose pros. It seems like it's like this for a lot of people as i just had a "game" where 3 people on each team diddent connect and my game crashed after 2 minutes.
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| # ? Feb 18, 2012 23:26 |
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jvempire posted:Every single quick match I did just recently had this problem, and when the game started it would kick me out of the game. Take a note of the team comp, speaking with Scathis he explains that he did fix a bug that was causing the vast majority of crashes, but he feared that Megabeth might have an inherent problem that is causing a new one. See if she is in each game when you crash, and if you have time post on the Bug and Issues forum here: http://www.uberent.com/forums/viewforum.php?f=40
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| # ? Feb 18, 2012 23:29 |
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jvempire posted:Every single quick match I did just recently had this problem, and when the game started it would kick me out of the game. I've been unable to play a game all day because of this. I also bought two one day boosts last night so.. 
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| # ? Feb 19, 2012 00:07 |
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PalmTreeFun posted:Alright, I'll just take your word for it. I agree, it's one of the issues I have with the Mass Effect 3 multi. However, the amount of bonuses you get from leveling are very, very modest. Leveling your account doesn't directly give your pros any advantage, for one thing. Also, the only thing you can buy are costumes and XP boosts. In other words, in a given game, there is no way to get an advantage by paying. With the in-game currency, there are three things you can buy: Pros, Products, and Endorsements. Pros and Products give you more options, but you don't actually get any advantage, assuming proper balance. You automatically start with a full set of products, so buying more just gives you more options. Endorsements, however, can give you a mild edge. Endorsements are little direct stat buffs that you can buy & equip, like gear. Thing is that you have to spend in enormous amount of money to get that edge. You have to play hundreds of games to give yourself any sort of noticeable edge against other players. The way it works is massively diminishing returns for money spent. There are level 1 endorsements that are very cheap to buy, so it's actually pretty reasonable to fully slot out a level 1 endorsement build. But just like products, you automatically start with a full set of level 1 endorsements, so buying different level 1s just gives you more options. If you want to buy higher endorsements, the price moves up really drat fast. I made a graph!  Each point is an endorsement level. You can get a small bonus for a small cost, but to get even a tiny amount more costs a crazy level. You also note that there are some points on that graph indicating an endorsement that costs more for the same bonus. This is not a mistake. Level 2s and Level 5s give a higher stat buff, but come with an additional stat debuff, so technically they're not stronger, just more finely tuned. Hope that makes sense. tl;dr Point is that while you can pimp out your character in this game by leveling, it's only to a very small degree.
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| # ? Feb 19, 2012 00:10 |
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The problem is that certain classes only become viable with certain combinations of endorsements. At least, that's how it was in the first MNC. Play for 15 minutes or so to unlock one custom class, and now you have all the endorsements. No grinding, no levels (aside from just pure cosmetics), no pay2win. Endorsements aren't really the biggest problem though. It's that you're locked out of all but a few classes unless you either do an obscene amount of grinding or you pay $7.50 or $15, depending on the class. The original game cost $15 alone, and I'm not willing to pay $60 or more just to be able to help my team by using a class they need to help win. Especially considering the greater emphasis on teamwork in SMNC. And when they add more classes, you have to pay even more or spend even more time. For instance, TF2 would be absolutely terrible if you couldn't play medic unless you coughed up $20 or something, because teams absolutely need medics to win. Or maybe you only have pyro, spy, sniper, and engineer unlocked on the current cycle, so you're stuck being pretty much useless to your team when every other player isn't playing a helpful combat class. PalmTreeFun fucked around with this message at Feb 19, 2012 around 00:33 |
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There is no pay to win in SMNC. Each class cycle opens up a respective class in a certain category. You'll never have a cycle where there are no Defenders (Combat Girl or Support), Strikers (Assault, Karl or now Megabeth) or what have you. Each class role is always fulfilled, so there's no danger of that being there. The costs of buying a class is a bit steep, but I earned the coins to buy two classes after a few hours of gaming. It does, however, suck that there is a cycle when there's such a limited amount of characters at the moment. I really wish the Endorsement and Product system was better and wasn't such a giant goddamn sink because right now it feels like an afterthought.
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| # ? Feb 19, 2012 00:37 |
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Vanderdeath posted:I really wish the Endorsement and Product system was better and wasn't such a giant goddamn sink because right now it feels like an afterthought. I don't really see endorsement or product prices changing much. They're intentionally expensive to encourage you to buy boosts and to drain your coins so you have to spend real money on pros.
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| # ? Feb 19, 2012 00:44 |
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People like to complain and say the game is pay2win, usually when they straight up got out played. The advantages that products give you are not enough to really make or break a team, lovely players like to think otherwise so they can blame their loss on something other than themselves. You can save your coins up to get them also, so I fail to see why there is an issue. Also all this talk of grinding.... its called playing a video game, and its fun lol. I'm not sitting there waiting for some stupid fantasy creature to respawn so I can kill them over and over.
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| # ? Feb 19, 2012 00:49 |
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I feel the product system is fine right now. The prices are pretty fair for what you get. Pros can be really expensive, but that's an intentional thing to discourage newbies from buying the harder-to-learn Pros. Also, Uber has to make money somehow. Endorsements are a loving trainwreck. Let's take a build that I pulled at random from the forums. That will set you back 91,000 combat coins. Looking at screenshots from my games, I'm going to say that a win is roughly 150 CC and a loss is roughly 60. Let's say you have a clean 50% split between wins and losses. This means you will need to play 867 games to afford that endorsement set. If we are modest and say that the average game takes 15 minutes, that is about 217 hours of gameplay. That is nine days of you doing literally nothing but playing the game. This might be acceptable if that was all you needed. But that's for ONE BUILD. If you want to play another Pro, or maybe you just want to a different build for your current Pro. Then it's another week of playing. At that point, combat boosts become a very appealing way to cut down on that grind. I think you can argue a feeling of Pay-to-Win at these prices.
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| # ? Feb 19, 2012 00:51 |
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Phoix posted:I don't really see endorsement or product prices changing much. They're intentionally expensive to encourage you to buy boosts and to drain your coins so you have to spend real money on pros. This. The system is the way it because it is the way that works. It's the LoL model. This isn't TF2, it is a Shooter-Styled moba. I loved MNC and would have loved MNC2, but this is SMNC, a differently catered game set in the same universe. I am just lucky that I enjoyed League of Legends enough to stomach that system all over again as I progressed into SMNC. I am really sad that all the MNC fans got shafted with the shift, and truthfully a better way of doing it would have been to make a new game without reference to MNC so that the MNC fans didn't feel so alienated, but UBER wanted to re-use their universe and if this is the only way for me to keep enjoying the style and characters they built, I am okay with it. It could have been a turn based facebook dating game, but it isn't. I think the gameplay is solid and the dev attention to it is reasonably good. Yes, some poo poo is annoying, but UBER have made a commitment to the free to play "Gamers control your game" model. They will update often, and they need to keep players happy or else their salary will die off. Complaining about the currency system is a moot point, because there isn't a way to shift it. Complaining about cost of products/pros/endorsements however is entirely valid. TL:DR - The principles of regular team based shooting games don't apply here. TL:TL:DR:DR Here is a Gorilla at the beach with hot chicks. 
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| # ? Feb 19, 2012 00:54 |
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PalmTreeFun posted:The problem is that certain classes only become viable with certain combinations of endorsements. At least, that's how it was in the first MNC. PalmTreeFun posted:Endorsements aren't really the biggest problem though. It's that you're locked out of all but a few classes unless you either do an obscene amount of grinding or you pay $7.50 or $15, depending on the class. I'd also argue against what you said about "grinding". I feel like people use that term too generously these days. To me, grinding implies doing something tedious just to make money/xp/etc. If you're just playing the game naturally, the way you'd be doing it anyway, can that still be said to be grinding? Yeah, you do have to play around 40+ matches to get enough to unlock a pro, but, I mean... what else are you gonna be doing? It sounds like a ton of games, but if you play just a modest amount, like 5 or 6 games a day, then in a given week you'll earn enough to unlock somebody*. Yes, it would take a massive amount of either money or creds to unlock everyone, but are you really gonna specialize in every character? If you unlock even a single character, then in between that and the five free ones, you have really good chances of having someone fun to play as in any given match. That's been my experience, anyway. *(In case you're wondering, here is my math. A loss is about 55 coins, and a win varies between 110-140. I shot low and averaged that at 80 coins a match. Your first win of the day is doubled, which often comes out at around 300 or more. 5 matches, then, would be (4*80)+300=320+300=620. Single day of matches is 620, seven days like that would be 4340 credits in a week, one or two more matches will give you enough for a hero)
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| # ? Feb 19, 2012 01:01 |
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Taiso posted:People like to complain and say the game is pay2win, usually when they straight up got out played. The advantages that products give you are not enough to really make or break a team, lovely players like to think otherwise so they can blame their loss on something other than themselves. You can save your coins up to get them also, so I fail to see why there is an issue. Also all this talk of grinding.... its called playing a video game, and its fun lol. I'm not sitting there waiting for some stupid fantasy creature to respawn so I can kill them over and over.  What if waiting for fantasy creatures to respawn is fun?If you're having a problem with the balance issues in this game, remember, it's a beta. Report it on the forums and you'll get to see the result that your complaint created. No need to bitch about how someone is op because he's got better products then you, or a higher level so more endorsements. I don't know where I'm going with this so, if you're going to argue and bitch about how a higher level is better then you, 
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| # ? Feb 19, 2012 01:01 |
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Rorus Raz posted:Let's take a build that I pulled at random from the forums. That build is poo poo anyway, they're over the maximum limit for critical shot chance. Most reasonable builds use level 3s only, then counter act negative effects with level 1s.
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| # ? Feb 19, 2012 01:05 |
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I honestly pity anyone who aims to buy only Bacon endorsements, they are going to be grinding a very long sad road.
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| # ? Feb 19, 2012 01:09 |
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I got to learn to stop using Quick Play. I tend to do it when the goon groups are full or still in a match, and all it leads to is anger at a the bad team whom the feeders drop after two deaths due to some poopsocker who has a 17/0/12 gunner.
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| # ? Feb 19, 2012 01:13 |
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How did MNC players get the shaft? I bought the game for 15 bucks, played it for a few hours, and felt like I got my money's worth. Uber provided a few nice updates, so it's not like they abandoned the product right off the bat. Uber just realized that they're not Valve and capable of boosting sales with updates like TF2. It wasn't a feasible model for them, so they took the game assets and tried something else. I think it was a solid plan.
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| # ? Feb 19, 2012 01:20 |
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Taiso posted:People like to complain and say the game is pay2win, usually when they straight up got out played. The advantages that products give you are not enough to really make or break a team, lovely players like to think otherwise so they can blame their loss on something other than themselves. You can save your coins up to get them also, so I fail to see why there is an issue. Also all this talk of grinding.... its called playing a video game, and its fun lol. I'm not sitting there waiting for some stupid fantasy creature to respawn so I can kill them over and over. Telling people who have issues with the fundamentals of the game itself, in that it requires a time or money investment to unlock certain build customizations that are often outright-necessary to survive, that they're only complaining because they're baddies or whatever isn't a sound argument. I also don't even know what the gently caress your last sentence is even referring to. For new players who don't have the luxury of joining premades or people who just don't want to go to all that effort just to enjoy the game, grinding against constant steamrolls really isn't fun. I really hope they implement a ranked-matchmaking system sooner rather than later.
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miscellaneous14 posted:Telling people who have issues with the fundamentals of the game itself, in that it requires a time or money investment to unlock certain build customizations that are often outright-necessary to survive, that they're only complaining because they're baddies or whatever isn't a sound argument. I also don't even know what the gently caress your last sentence is even referring to. Which customizations in your mind are "often outright-necessary to survive"? By default you get +37.5 to speed and Over Armor, Parting Gift, and Snappy Comeback.
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| # ? Feb 19, 2012 01:40 |
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miscellaneous14 posted:Telling people who have issues with the fundamentals of the game itself, in that it requires a time or money investment to unlock certain build customizations that are often outright-necessary to survive This is completely inaccurate. If you're attributing being steamrolled to not having the right build, this is exactly what he was talking about. Endorsements are completely unnecessary. Products can be pretty cool, and they can give you an edge, but the game starts you out with some decent ones anyway. Even if you have super maxed out awesome build, that's maybe 5%-10% of the game. 90% is going to come down to how well your team works together. In other words, if you're playing in quick-matches and not using any coordination, you may as well just give up before you begin. The only way to do well and win is to use teamwork. A proper voip service with people you know is the best way to do this. The in-game voice and quick-comments, though, work well enough.
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| # ? Feb 19, 2012 01:44 |
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I think the starting products could use some work. Though I guess the reasoning behind them is that new players will die a lot, so they might as well benefit their team.
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| # ? Feb 19, 2012 01:47 |
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Rorus Raz posted:How did MNC players get the shaft? They didn't get the shaft in regards to the old game, just that they came to SMNC looking for more of the same, but better - but instead have been served an entirely new dish with the same garnish. I think it's fine, but people who liked team based shooters but not Moba's now have Moba all over their team based shooter.
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| # ? Feb 19, 2012 01:53 |
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a cock shaped fruit posted:They didn't get the shaft in regards to the old game, just that they came to SMNC looking for more of the same, but better - but instead have been served an entirely new dish with the same garnish. I think it's fine, but people who liked team based shooters but not Moba's now have Moba all over their team based shooter. This is exactly it. In my case, I really don't like mobas, and I really really don't like the pay system that goes with them. In my head it's like having to pay for chess pieces instead of the whole set, and it turns out Chess 2 actually plays more like Axis and Allies than, you know, chess.
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| # ? Feb 19, 2012 01:56 |
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I would kill for them to release an SDK for MNC. I still think that game as some life left in it and user generated content would breathe new life into it. Edit: I also miss the 'future gladitorial sport watched by millions' feel MNC had too. I hope they can turn that up in SMNC. I guess that's more of a preference than anything though. Vanderdeath fucked around with this message at Feb 19, 2012 around 02:04 |
| # ? Feb 19, 2012 02:02 |
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While I like the current maps, I would like to see the more stadium-feel of the MNC maps.
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| # ? Feb 19, 2012 02:16 |
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Vanderdeath posted:I would kill for them to release an SDK for MNC. I still think that game as some life left in it and user generated content would breathe new life into it. This really would be the best thing for MNC, shy of new official content and balancing - allow the community to breathe new life into it with user created content. Rorus Raz posted:While I like the current maps, I would like to see the more stadium-feel of the MNC maps. Some 'Sponsor' maps are planned, like the Old Laserrazer style arenas and such.
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| # ? Feb 19, 2012 02:35 |
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I have been playing this game a lot with my friends and it's really fun, but the currency system is getting me down a bit. I think I have 3900 or so CC's so I am close to my first pro(4500) but after this rotation I learned that my favourite pro is actually Karl but he costs even more than that. It's hard to describe why this just doesn't sit well with me but I think a good way to put it is that at this point of playing I know what I like and I know what I don't like so I feel "ready" to start choosing what pros I want permanently, but it still feels like I have a long way to go. As for any pay2win arguments I definitely agree that products and endorsements do not make win/lose situations for teams but in my playing I think that just being able to have a second enforcer because someone bought one really helps pushing and winning team fights. The game is still fun as hell. Prog Rug fucked around with this message at Feb 19, 2012 around 03:33 |
| # ? Feb 19, 2012 02:35 |
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Five bucks will can get you several Pros unless you want a Sharpshooter or Commando. Not a high price.
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| # ? Feb 19, 2012 02:45 |
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free snack posted:I have been playing this game a lot with my friends and it's really fun, but the currency system is getting putting me down a bit. I think I have 3900 or so CC's so I am close to my first pro(4500) but after this rotation I learned that my favourite pro is actually Karl but he costs even more than that. It's hard to describe why this just doesn't sit well with me but I think a good way to put it is that at this point of playing I know what I like and I know what I don't like so I feel "ready" to start choosing what pros I want permanently, but it still feels like I have a long way to go. Be thankful he is mid-range for cost. You could be aiming for a sharpshooter or commando. Not justifying the cost, I think they are a little heavy, but that's a silver lining. Rorus Raz posted:Five bucks will can get you several Pros unless you want a Sharpshooter or Commando. Not a high price. Absolute truth. You can dump $5-$10 on this game and get everything you need to play comfortably. 2 Characters of different types for the sake of variety, maybe a skin and a taunt. That's $10 paid for the game basically. It's only when you have a compulsion to own 'everything' and 'everyone' that you are creating a money sink.
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| # ? Feb 19, 2012 03:17 |
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a cock shaped fruit posted:Be thankful he is mid-range for cost. You could be aiming for a sharpshooter or commando. Not justifying the cost, I think they are a little heavy, but that's a silver lining. Also worth mentioning that the devs have given out free Uber-creds before, there's a possibility they'll give them out again before they go Open. I used mine to by Megabeth and found that I am still not very good with Strikers. Enforcer for life.
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| # ? Feb 19, 2012 04:02 |
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TVsVeryOwn posted:Also worth mentioning that the devs have given out free Uber-creds before, there's a possibility they'll give them out again before they go Open. Got that right. Also, another amazing churro binge:
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They're also doing "All Pros Free" weeks, which is a fantastic idea that I haven't seen games like LoL do. It's a great opportunity to try-before-you-buy.
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