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Pureauthor posted:I remember once lending Advance Wars to my younger cousin to play. When we got to that map he was all 'He got to go first! This isn't fair!' Your cousin knows what's up.  That's adorable.
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Pureauthor posted:I remember once lending Advance Wars to my younger cousin to play. When we got to that map he was all 'He got to go first! This isn't fair!' He believes that the player goes first, always. Even when the game is an utter dick, player goes first.
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Rorac posted:Dogfights, my favorite training mission. Don't think I've actually done a 2-day run of it before. It was a fun puzzle working it out (also thanks for the T copter sacrifice tip!).
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Mission 4M: Max Strikes! as Max (or "I have so much more power!")  Who are you?Erm, Andy, why are you shaking your fist angrily at this apparently friendly person?  I'm Max, a CO in the Orange Star army. I was ordered to join you and Paul, so here I am. A new CO, huh? What's so special about you?Seriously, Andy, who taught you manners?  You get right to the point, don't you, pal? I'm the king of direct combat. Need someone to mix it up? I'm the best! When I really get rolling, Max Force boosts my firepower even higher. Cool! I'm not saying I'm perfect, but why focus on the negative, right? Hey, Paul! It's time to choose a CO for the next battle. Use the + Control pad to make your selection.All right, then. Well, the thread's decided that we're doing the Max route first, so let's get to that.    Don't bother to get up, Olaf. Day 1  How you doin', Nell? Now that I'm here, what's the kid gonna do?Well, someone's gotta keep the tanks tuned up...  Oh, Max. You haven't changed a bit. But I must tell you, Andy's quite a capable CO. If you're not careful, he may just pass you up. See you later. Good luck! Last mission we met aircraft, now it's time to meet some ships:  Battleship (28000G). The most powerful long-range unit in the game, able to hit anything between 2 and 6 squares away from them. They provide great fire support, and - amazingly for a long-range unit - have good armour. But they're the most expensive unit in the game (you know you've made it if you've got the financial power to spam battleships), and are defenseless against air units and submarines, requiring cruisers to escort them. As naval units, they can only travel on sea or reef tiles. Lander (12000G). Naval transports that can carry two of any ground unit: this includes vehicles as well as footsoldiers. This makes them a key part of any island-hopping assault. They can't resupply. They are the only ship in AW capable of travelling on shoals (the yellow-and-light blue beach areas around some coasts). Landers can pick up and drop off their passengers either in ports or on shoals. Landers carry no weapons, and are vulnerable to indirect fire (including battleships), air units and submarines. Submarines or Subs (20000G). Subs have the ability to dive to hide themselves from view. While dived, submarines can only be seen by units in neighbouring squares, and can only be attacked by cruisers and other subs. However, when dived, subs use fuel a lot more quickly (and they don't carry much of it to begin with), so you'll need APCs on standby to stop them sinking. Subs prey on battleships and landers, but fall quickly to cruisers. They have no anti-air or ship-to-shore capabilities. The overall strategy on land is pretty straightfoward: we move foward a bit, Olaf moves forwards a bit, and CRUNCH. On sea, it boils down to the fact that, although Olaf has a ridiculous number of battleships, he hasn't got anything deployed that can counter dived subs. Which means our own subs can just take him apart.  So okay then, what's so special about this Max character? Well let's send our medium tank to attack Olaf's and find out...  ... aha. Ahahaha.  AHAHAHAHA!  My tanks aren't doing quite as much damage as the medium tank did, but that's because Olaf actually has some defensive cover for his own tanks. 6HP damage is still pretty neat, though. So that's the good of Max, what about the bad?   Welp. Paul.Power's CO Notes: Max  Max's ThemeSo: Max. Max gets a +50% attack boost to all of his non-infantry direct combat units. Tanks, planes, B copters, recons, AAs, submarines, cruisers... And that's +50%, which means they do half as much damage again. His CO Power, Max Force, boosts that damage again and gives his direct combat units +1 movement range. Max does have a big weakness, though: his long-range units are... well, not very long range. They take a -1 range penalty and a -10% firepower penalty. That can get pretty annoying, but the +50% firepower boost on over half the game's units compensates way more than enough. Background/Personality: Graduating from Orange Star's CO academy around the same time as Nell and Grit, Max is Orange Star's powerhouse, a brawler who likes to get up close and personal. He's something of a showoff, but he's also a very loyal friend - although this in turn makes him rather overprotective of his fellow Orange Star COs. He's also got some insecurities about his failings with long range units. Still a good guy to have around, though.   Anyway, here we have a demonstration of why Max's range penalty can be a problem: his battleship can't hit Olaf's one, but Olaf can hit him. It's like playing against Grit all the time.  Luckily for Max, he has some other options here. Let's send in a submarine.  That's pretty painful for Olaf. Battleships are essentially the toughest unit in the game - even bombers only knock them down to half health, and normally a sub would only do about that much as well. But this is Max we're talking about.  Moving the battleship forward to a range it's more comfortable with, and moving my other sub too. Hmm... don't want it to get hit by those other battleships.  Better dive it, then. As Olaf has no cruisers or subs of his own here, that sub is now basically invulnerable - at least, until it runs out of fuel. And hopefully we'll be done long before that.  Moving the rest of my dudes up. Not really going to bother with the lander though: again, this is something you can win with faster with rout than HQ capture.   Orange Star may match me in numbers, but I have so much more power!Power? Olaf, you're fighting Max.  But you're not very well balanced... What if the enemy send its subs under? That'll stop you cold. Battleships at sea! Md Tanks on land! Is there anything more I need? No! Nothing at all! Attack! Attack! Attack! Well, as long as you're happy, Boss.I think Grit's just resigned to a situation where he's considerably smarter than his boss.   We blasted Olaf with enough damage on Day 1 that he's got Blizzard already.  His crippled battleship isn't going to achieve much, though. Day 2  And so, we return to snow.  We'll be wanting to stay outside the range of this rocket launcher for now.   If you thought Max's medium tank attacking a medium tank was bad, here's Max's medium tank attacking an artillery.   Let's repeat that 141% dose on this infantry.  Meanwhile my light tanks clean up Olaf's ones.  My battleship makes itself useful and finishes off Olaf's battleship, while my dived sub continues its rampage.  And I get the other sub dived as well. Can't dive/surface and attack on the same turn, sadly. The question of diving or attacking is a tricky one sometimes.  Everyone (except the lander) moves up.  Aaand in hindsight maybe I should have retreated my battleship rather than attacking.   Yeah  . Oh well, at least it was only a Max battleship. A tank taking damage like this is more of an issue in many ways. Day 3  Owch. But on the plus side, losing that battleship has got my power meter nicely charged up.   Let's see what happens.   Light tank attacking infantry on road: 125%.   Medium tank attacking medium tank in forest: 81% (might've been a one-shot on the road).   Medium tank attacking rocket on road: 195%. Yes, okay, so 95% of that is wasted. Still cool.  Submarine attacking battleship in open sea: 102%.  Well, that's the battleship problem mostly solved.  My 3HP tank finishes off Olaf's 2HP tank, and my other units form a wall around it. The APC ought to work its usual magic.  Moving other units up.  Yet more snow.  And yeah, I left a medium tank in artillery range. I can weather that, but I'll admit it's not brilliant.  The AI targetting APCs as usual. Day 4  Brr.  You know, it'd really help if we got lucky here and did enough damage to destroy that medium tank. Would let my 5HP medium tank through to attack the arty.  But alas, no. For all his strengths, Max doesn't get Nell's luck.  Oh well. Let's attack Olaf's light tank instead. My own light tanks work together to get it down to 2HP. Meanwhile in the south, my sub finishes off the last battleship with an arrow heading outside the screenshot.  Oh well, may as well finish off that medium tank. And move my rocket launcher up. Not that it's likely to see any acton, but you never know.  May as well see if I can knock another hit point off this tank...  Hooray!  General unit moving. Two main things to note: first, I surfaced one of my subs. No battleships left, so may as well let it save on fuel. I also moved my artillery up, as a decoy: indirects often like to target other indirects, and if my arty gets hit that'll save my 5HP medium tank.  Yup, that was my arty getting hit. The city's defences saved it from too much damage.  Olaf tried attacking my infantry with his tank. Without much success. Day 5  Okay, let's finish this off.   Full health middie takes down the arty, 5HP middie tanks down the 1HP tank.  Cool! There's no way I could do that much damage. Yeah! That's right! As long as I didn't use my indirect combat units, that is.Owch. Think you've touched a nerve there, Andy. Oooh... you... That's exactly right. Max doesn't use indirect combat units because he's clumsy. .... And your range of fire is small, too. That's life threatening, isn't it?Cheer up, Max. It's what you do with them that counts. Ha! I'll do just fine without relying on those units. I wonder about that. Anyway, excellent work, Max! Now you two work together and try to get along. You heard the lady. Let's stop fighting and do this, Andy. I think she was talking to you, Max.This pair are a hell of a double act.   Another S-Rank, and a perfect score to boot. And a rank-up to the heady heights of, er, Jade Rat. Well, it's something. Anyway, I'd actually completely forgotten this, but the next mission also gives you a choice of CO, although no branching paths this time. It's a fight against Grit, and the map looks like this:  ... that is to say, it's a Fog of War mission (which, going up against Grit, could be kind of nasty).   I'm fairly easy as to which CO you guys pick for this one: like I say, I'd even forgotten that you get a CO choice here. So yeah, Andy or Max? Anyway, while that's going on we've got some more Field Training to do. So tune in next time for...  ... payback time. Paul.Power fucked around with this message at 00:50 on Feb 6, 2013 |
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Feb 23, 2012 16:37
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Max vs Grit + FoW is just pain. I'll go with Andy.
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Feb 23, 2012 17:07
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Go with Andy it would just be unfair with Max vs Grit.
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Feb 23, 2012 17:37
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It's a pre-deployed map with two indirects. In the Fog, having the rocket could be handy, plus +2HP would help weather the indirect storm. Provided that this doesn't lock you onto a new path, Andy.
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Feb 23, 2012 17:51
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Going with Andy.
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Feb 23, 2012 17:57
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As much as I love pummeling things with Max, this mission's practically designed to make you realize you can't always use him. Going with Andy here too.
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Feb 23, 2012 18:07
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Andy. Max has enough problems against people who don't have the ability to snipe him from half across the map; throwing him against Grit would just be mean. 
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Feb 23, 2012 18:09
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Pureauthor posted:Max vs Grit + FoW is just pain. Asator posted:As much as I love pummeling things with Max, this mission's practically designed to make you realize you can't always use him. Going with Andy here too. Malachite_Dragon posted:Andy. Max has enough problems against people who don't have the ability to snipe him from half across the map; throwing him against Grit would just be mean. All good points. Voting for Max. 
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Feb 23, 2012 18:11
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Honestly, I could see the argument that Max is a good choice; if he finds any of Grit's units, he can pummel them easily. Since it's FOW, his weakened indirects are going to be mostly useless anyway; his units are otherwise strong enough to take on what they find. Still...
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Feb 23, 2012 18:22
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I think you should go with Max so he can get over his crippling fear of ranged units by kicking their butts.
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Feb 23, 2012 18:32
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12 of our 16 units are direct combat. 75% x 1.5 is more than 100%. Max.
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Feb 23, 2012 18:37
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Keep fighting with Max.
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Feb 23, 2012 18:40
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I'm going to vote Andy because I like you, Paul. (And because it'll catch you off guard for later on in the LP if terrible things happen because of me.)
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Feb 23, 2012 18:42
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Max all the way.
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Feb 23, 2012 19:08
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Let's go with Max, for thematic reasons. Max and Grit have an... interesting relationship.
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Feb 23, 2012 19:17
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MAXIMUM POOOOWWWEEEERR.
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Feb 23, 2012 19:20
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Add another vote for Andy!
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Feb 23, 2012 19:28
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Got to be Max
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Feb 23, 2012 19:30
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Andy, because the tactics will be more interesting that "shove tanks at enemy mans".
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Feb 23, 2012 19:57
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Andy
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Feb 23, 2012 20:01
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9-8 Andy-Max right now, because apparently people don't appreciate awesome.
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Feb 23, 2012 20:02
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BrooklynBruiser posted:9-8 Andy-Max right now, because apparently people don't appreciate awesome. Max
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Feb 23, 2012 20:04
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Max because who the hell needs indirect-fire units
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Feb 23, 2012 20:06
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Andy
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Feb 23, 2012 20:12
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Max, because holy poo poo that attack power. Edit: Wait, thinking of a different mission.
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Feb 23, 2012 20:13
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SkySteak posted:Andy Funny, of all people I would expect you to support something that would force one side to bring big powerful tanks into battle.
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Feb 23, 2012 20:17
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BrooklynBruiser posted:Funny, of all people I would expect you to support something that would force one side to bring big powerful tanks into battle. I'm more concerned about Max blowing up his own infantry and getting his MD Tanks stuck, right in artillery range.
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Feb 23, 2012 20:23
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SkySteak posted:I'm more concerned about Max blowing up his own infantry and getting his MD Tanks stuck, right in artillery range. Neither of those were me, actually, but nice try.
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Feb 23, 2012 20:25
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BrooklynBruiser posted:Neither of those were me, actually, but nice try. Of course not but I am not sure if that quality command and luck will extend to Orange Star.  SkySteak fucked around with this message at 20:33 on Feb 23, 2012 |
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Feb 23, 2012 20:28
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Paul.Power posted:
 Voting Max, he needs his showtime.
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Feb 23, 2012 20:48
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It doesn't matter if our indirects have less range than normal, we would be losing the long range battle against Grit if we were playing Andy anyway. Might as well do the smart thing AND SMASH HIS FACE IN.
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Feb 23, 2012 20:52
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Actually does Max get any special dialogue with Grit?
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Feb 23, 2012 21:27
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SkySteak posted:Actually does Max get any special dialogue with Grit?
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Feb 23, 2012 23:55
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As much as I like the kill!smash! that is Max, if this map has FoW, and we are going up against Grit, it's best we use Andy. We can use him again for the next ten missions.
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Feb 24, 2012 00:15
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I don't really get how fog of war is better for Andy than Max. Neither of them has a sight range modifier, and indirects seem like they'd be worse in fog, not better.
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Feb 24, 2012 00:25
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Unless Grit starts with several recons deployed he won't be much of a problem since Artillery and Rockets only have 1 vision. Unless that was nerfed later and they have decent vision in this game. My only experience with Advance Wars is a few hours of Dual Strike.
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Eeevil posted:I don't really get how fog of war is better for Andy than Max. Neither of them has a sight range modifier, and indirects seem like they'd be worse in fog, not better. Despite this, the fact that there's only two indirects means that it doesn't matter too much. And indirects are always useful, but you're spot-on with the comment. I wish to change my vote from Andy to Max.
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