Sixgun Strumpet posted:

Found one of the repros at a gunshow once. I considered it, but it's essentially just a really expensive wall hanger.

Red_October_7000 posted:

Are the reproductions unsuitable for shooting, as I've heard the originals are? Or is it just that such an arm is so complex to load that only the most dedicated would shoot it with any frequency?

Sixgun Strumpet posted:

...black powder monstrosity. It's neat, but more pleasurable to look at and fiddle with then fire because of all the cleanup involved....

Butch Cassidy posted:

Butch Cassidy posted:

I thought you were sullying the good name of black powder.

Butch Cassidy posted:

I thought you were sullying the good name of black powderHoly Black.

Sixgun Strumpet posted:

You can shoot it, but it a black powder monstrosity. It's neat, but more pleasurable to look at and fiddle with then fire because of all the cleanup involved.

Grand Prize Winner posted:

Would any of you guys happen to have a LeMat revolver? The thing seriously weirds me out.

Chill_Bebop posted:

Do C96s count?

DeathSandwich posted:

No it doesn't. Give it to me.

I totally wish there was a company that made functioning C96 replicas.

atomicthumbs posted:

TFR should start a company that makes awesome functioning gun replicas. Goon project!

atomicthumbs posted:

TFR should start a company that makes awesome functioning gun replicas. Goon project!

atomicthumbs posted:

TFR should start a company that makes awesome functioning gun replicas. Goon project!

Sixgun Strumpet posted:

Functioning gun replicas? That's a waste of time.

See, if you have a company capable of doing that you have a company capable of upgrading designs.

.22lr Volcanics, 1/2 scale FALs in .223, 9mm lever actions, 4.6x30mm chambered Hi Powers, 12 shot .22lr Webley Autorevolvers.

Come on man! Dream big!

Gtab posted:

Downscaled 5.56 FALs already exist.


Not FNCs, either. Not FN CALs either. It's the FALMP 5.56mm III rifles, Type 1 and Type 2 (STANAG and Steyr AUG mag, respectively).

Sixgun Strumpet posted:

As far as I can tell none of them were imported.

So fine. A 1/4th scale FAL in .22lr. Ruger Bearcat style.

Sixgun Strumpet posted:

As far as I can tell none of them were imported.

So fine. A 1/4th scale FAL in .22lr. Ruger Bearcat style.

Gtab posted:

Downscaled 5.56 FALs already exist.


Not FNCs, either. Not FN CALs either. It's the FALMP 5.56mm III rifles, Type 1 and Type 2 (STANAG and Steyr AUG mag, respectively).

Mad Dragon posted:

http://forums.somethingawful.com/sh...1#post339849133

Safety Dance posted:

I've considered doing this (not as a TFR project, though). I'd need to have lots of CNC and 3D scanning capabilities lined up before I even filed for the FFL.

Gtab posted:

Former goon Muldune had one. In Ohio.

Sixgun Strumpet posted:

Functioning gun replicas? That's a waste of time.

See, if you have a company capable of doing that you have a company capable of upgrading designs.

.22lr Volcanics, 1/2 scale FALs in .223, 9mm lever actions, 4.6x30mm chambered Hi Powers, 12 shot .22lr Webley Autorevolvers.

Come on man! Dream big!

commissargribb posted:

I would shoot the gently caress out of a .22 webley topbreak revolver.

commissargribb posted:

I would shoot the gently caress out of a .22 webley topbreak revolver.

Carbohydrates posted:

This is .. designed .. so that people can get drunk and shoot stuff in a pub

Cyrano4747 posted:

Those marks are commercial inter-war German manufacturing proofs. They don't quite indicate what you've turned up though. The B-U-G sequence is found on just about every commercially produced gun that was made.

Crown over U = final inspection mark, I'm pretty sure this is when they proof fired it. I always forget what the B and G stood for, but they were the same in every factory, more or less. I want to say one was when they heat treated the steel and the other was when they blued it. I do know that it doesn't have anything to do with black powder or Suhl. I own a bunch of smokeless powder rifles with the exact same B-U-G sequence made at different factories.

You're right about the bore size though. Note that this does not imply any kind of cartridge - it's just the groove-groove measurement of the bore. You would need to get a chamber cast done to figure out what it shoots. I'm guessing one of the larger 8mm rimmed hunting rounds that were popular back then - maybe 8.15x46R.

1472 is the serial number.

I'm guessing the crown over G.K. is a manufacturer's mark, perhaps for the barrel. A lot of makers of fine firearms would buy barrels and actions separately back then, and there were a few companies in Germany and Britain that did a ton of business only making high quality barrels.

There IS a bit of a Suhl connection though, although it's not as direct as you thought - the writing on the barrel reads "P. Oberhammer König. Bayr. Hofbüchenmacher." This is a shortened form of "Peter Oberhammer, Königliche Bayerische Hofbüchenmacher," which translates to "Peter Oberhammer, Royal Bavarian house gun maker." Royalty back in the day would basically put artisan tradesmen on retainer for if they needed a jacket, rifle, chair, whatever - everything they owned was a bespoke item so they needed to have measurements, etc. on file with people they bought stuff from. Peter Oberhammer was a fairly famous gunsmith out of Munich in the late 19th century, so it's really not surprising that he had an ongoing relationship with the Bavarian royal family. The guy had a ton of patents on various target sights, so I'm almost certain that the sights on that rifle were of his design. He was also the local sales rep in Munich for JP Sauer, which was a German gun company based out of Suhl. The barrel could be a Suhl commercial barrel for all I know, but those proofs don't indicate anything one way or the other with that.

München - that's just the German spelling for Munich, where Peter Oberhammer was based out of.

A lot of guns like that were used by random Volkssturm units at the end of the war, basically confiscated by the state to arm last minute, last ditch militias. It's not all that surprising that a really nice target gun like that would get caught up in that mess.

Just in case you're not clear on this, I want to spell it out really clearly - what you have there is a very nice, VERY expensive late 19th or early 20th century bespoke rifle from one of the premier firearms houses in Imperial Bavaria. Don't try to "clean," refinish, or otherwise "improve" the wood. DOn't try to clean up the finish on the gun to make it prettier. Make sure it's stored properly. That is a DAMNED valuable gun and you need to have it appraised by someone who's certified for dealing with that level of firearm.

Do NOT try to disassemble it without the proper tools. It would be a crime to bugger up those screws with a cheap home depot screwdriver.

Seriously, that's a really valuable piece there.

eine dose socken posted:

The rifle you posted isn't a hunting rifle as far as i know, but an indoor target shooting rifle, called a Zimmerstutzen (short indoor rifle) or Scheibenstutzen (short target rifle).
Both the special stock and the tang diopter sights are typical of these traditional southern German sporting arms.

These often elaborate rifles were made for target shooters who used them at indoors competition at Schützen houses, village celebrations and in the back rooms of the local saloon. They normally fire either primer-only rounds or extremely light rounds like 6mm Flobert.
The light rounds were required by the fact that these competitions usually happened indoors and were a staple of everyday Bavarian shooting culture, shooting at painted wood targets (Schützenscheiben) with hunting motifs such as deer or boars.

Look at this rifle for example, it's very similar to yours:



http://www.feuerbixler.de/history11.html

These rifles are the precursors of modern target shooting rifles btw, and many German Schützen associations use similar modernized rifles.

mikerock posted:

6pm flobert is the same as .22cb? poo poo we had a nice old anschuetz in 6mm flobert for $150 that I passed on because I thought I couldn't get the ammo. We have a case of cci .22 cb gathering dust at the shop.

atomicthumbs posted:

TFR should start a company that makes awesome functioning gun replicas. Goon project!

Gtab posted:

sigh

Gtab posted:

i was actually sighing because goon projects are more guaranteed to failure than any other venture known to man including lead-to-gold dark ages alchemy and in the past goon gun manufacturing (Khalan, for example) has been nightmarishly bad to the point of being a joke, not because of how difficult it would be to make cost-effective replicas in general.

Cyrano4747 posted:

Jesus christ. I just imagined a company with the organization and QC of Khalan making something where proper fitting and high quality, small parts are of the utmost importance, like early German autoloaders.

And yes, goon projects are 9 times in 10 doomed to end in tears and recrimination.

Cyrano4747 posted:

Jesus christ. I just imagined a company with the organization and QC of Khalan making something where proper fitting and high quality, small parts are of the utmost importance, like early German autoloaders.

Alarbus posted:

Following Carbohydrates' post

About two years ago, I posted these photos.

As a background, my grandfather brought it back from WWII, a sniper took a shot at him and mostly missed (grazed his eyebrow), and his men "got the sniper and retrieved the rifle". Unfortunately, while we've had this for a number of years, my grandfather's memory is faded, and fading further.

Destro85 posted:

This a one hell of an amazing rifle with a great story. It looks like it has been well cared for too. My biggest question though, is how valuable is "DAMNED valuable"?

My thought process is that if it illicited that kind of response from Cyrano, then it's gotta be in the tens of thousands. I honestly have no idea though, thats just me pulling a number out my rear end.

Destro85 posted:

This a one hell of an amazing rifle with a great story. It looks like it has been well cared for too. My biggest question though, is how valuable is "DAMNED valuable"?

My thought process is that if it illicited that kind of response from Cyrano, then it's gotta be in the tens of thousands. I honestly have no idea though, thats just me pulling a number out my rear end.