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Judge strikes down Florida's SSM ban... but for the Florida Keys only. Licenses can be issued starting Tuesday at the earliest. A couple of other lawsuits are still pending that could bring marriage equality to the entire state.
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Ballz posted:Judge strikes down Florida's SSM ban... but for the Florida Keys only. Party on Duval ya'll!
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Jul 17, 2014 21:53
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Oklahoma's ban overturned, but stayed pending appeal. That's in the 10th Circuit, where Utah's AG said he plans to appeal to the Supreme Court.
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Jul 18, 2014 16:18
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Oklahoma: only allowed nice things when they're symbolic and/or ultimately meaningless.
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Jul 18, 2014 17:53
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Chris James 2 posted:Oklahoma's ban overturned, but stayed pending appeal. That's in the 10th Circuit, where Utah's AG said he plans to appeal to the Supreme Court. Here's a link to the opinion: http://www.ca10.uscourts.gov/opinions/14/14-5003.pdf Not much different than the Utah case, except that Justice Holmes is working very hard to keep the floodgates closed on animus review.
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Jul 18, 2014 18:18
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Tearsquote:The Christian Family Coalition of Florida called the ruling a “corrupt decision,” and a “judicial lynching of nearly 8 million Florida voters” who voted to ban same-sex marriage in 2008. John Stemberger, who led that 2008 campaign, said he would keep fighting. “This is an issue worth dying for,” said Stemberger, president and general counsel of the Florida Family Policy Council in Orlando. “Every domestic partnership, every single civil union, every couple that cohabitates, these arrangements dilute and devalue marriage.” Stemberger said he wasn’t “daunted” by Garcia’s ruling, nor was he surprised. “The court was very hostile to our position,” he said. “This is a very sad day for Floridians. This is an entirely illegitimate process. The judge had no legal authority in this decision.” http://youtu.be/BEYsvgqX5tw The video is worth watching because he is standing in from if Lincoln Memmorial Edit: This is insane. Here are the results of the voting of Oklahoma Question 711 which banned same sex marriage.  http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Oklahoma_Question_711#cite_note-5 This has to be a record of overturning a ban that was favored by so many citizens Mr Ice Cream Glove fucked around with this message at 19:26 on Jul 18, 2014 |
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Jul 18, 2014 19:12
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joat mon posted:Here's a link to the opinion: Is Judge Paul Kelly literally the only judge so far who has ruled against same-sex marriage since the DOMA ruling?
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Jul 18, 2014 19:31
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Ballz posted:Is Judge Paul Kelly literally the only judge so far who has ruled against same-sex marriage since the DOMA ruling? Yep, and even then his vote still didn't matter because the ban was overturned anyway. Since Prop 8/DOMA were struck down, gay marriage hasn't lost once during a judge hearing/ruling.
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Jul 18, 2014 19:48
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Mr Ice Cream Glove posted:Tears Mississippi and Alabama passed theirs by 86% and 81%, respectively. It will be fun if theirs get overturned before SCOTUS rules. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_U.S._state_constitutional_amendments_banning_same-sex_unions_by_type
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Jul 18, 2014 22:24
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katium posted:Mississippi and Alabama passed theirs by 86% and 81%, respectively. It will be fun if theirs get overturned before SCOTUS rules. That would require a gay couple to stay in Mississippi or Alabama long enough to try to get married. I can't see it happening any time soon.
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Jul 18, 2014 23:46
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H.R. Hufflepuff posted:That would require a gay couple to stay in Mississippi or Alabama long enough to try to get married. I can't see it happening any time soon. There's 1 lawsuit pending in Mississippi and 4 pending in Alabama.
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Jul 19, 2014 00:23
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I know the Family groups love empty incendiary rhetoric, but they make it sound like they're going to begin suicide bombing county clerk offices.
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Jul 19, 2014 06:47
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H.R. Hufflepuff posted:That would require a gay couple to stay in Mississippi or Alabama long enough to try to get married. I can't see it happening any time soon. Not everyone has the money to move, you know.
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Jul 19, 2014 08:24
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H.R. Hufflepuff posted:That would require a gay couple to stay in Mississippi or Alabama long enough to try to get married. I can't see it happening any time soon. Some people like their families and friends more than they hate their state. Otherwise there would have been a permanent gayflux to Massachusetts or Iowa a long time ago,
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Jul 19, 2014 12:37
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I know it's hard to believe , but some people might even like living in those states.
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Jul 19, 2014 14:19
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more friedman units posted:I know the Family groups love empty incendiary rhetoric, but they make it sound like they're going to begin suicide bombing county clerk offices. Not only is 'judicial lynching' a contradiction in terms, but they apparently have no idea what happens in an actual lynching.
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Jul 19, 2014 14:21
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joat mon posted:but they apparently have no idea what happens in an actual lynching. I have a feeling that they probably do.
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Jul 19, 2014 15:01
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platedlizard posted:I know it's hard to believe , but some people might even like living in those states. Stockholm syndrome's a bitch.
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Jul 19, 2014 16:35
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Oh boy we've returned to "the south is a shithole how could anyone live there?!" phase of this thread.
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Jul 19, 2014 17:27
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Nostalgia4Infinity posted:Oh boy we've returned to "the south is a shithole how could anyone live there?!" phase of this thread. What didn't you get the memo, literally no bigotry exists in glorious Mass.
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Jul 19, 2014 17:31
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Tatum Girlparts posted:What didn't you get the memo, literally no bigotry exists in glorious Mass. Boston busing crisis, what's that?! Edit: Also, Bill Russell called Boston the most racist city he ever was in.
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Jul 19, 2014 17:33
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Nostalgia4Infinity posted:Oh boy we've returned to "the south is a shithole how could anyone live there?!" phase of this thread. My sister recently told me an interesting fact about the Mississippi River: by the time it reaches the Gulf of Mexico all the water in it has passed through an average of four different sets of human kidneys. lovely might not be the proper term.
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Jul 19, 2014 17:33
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Obama to sign executive orders protecting gay and trans workers without new religious exemption.
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Jul 19, 2014 19:32
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Ballz posted:Judge strikes down Florida's SSM ban... but for the Florida Keys only. Naturally it's the Conch Republic that gets the ball rolling on this, but I'm hopeful that my state will bow to what is both inevitable and right. Tallahassee's going to fight this tooth and nail, I suspect, but I think most of the state is ready to go along with it.
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Jul 19, 2014 20:27
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Nostalgia4Infinity posted:Obama to sign executive orders protecting gay and trans workers without new religious exemption. I know I shouldn't be, but I'm actually surprised people are making such a big stink about this. "Government contractors" seems like a fairly narrow group, and they should be used to dealing with more stringent conditions than other companies. Is it just people being outraged on principle, or are there actually some sorts of contractors I'm not thinking of that would be significantly affected?
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Jul 19, 2014 20:36
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zachol posted:I know I shouldn't be, but I'm actually surprised people are making such a big stink about this. "Government contractors" seems like a fairly narrow group, and they should be used to dealing with more stringent conditions than other companies. Reminder that "Contractors" includes the entire military industrial complex, and that's just a subset.
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Jul 19, 2014 21:13
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Yeah the biggest employer in the United States is the government, doubly so when you include contractors.
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Jul 19, 2014 21:23
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paragon1 posted:Yeah the biggest employer in the United States is the government, doubly so when you include contractors. quote:The administration officials said the change for federal contracting will impact some 24,000 companies with 28 million workers, or one-fifth of the U.S. workforce. So, I mean, it's not everyone, but it's literally 20% of the US workforce, so it's not exactly nothing. (Remember that even if you don't work on government contracts, if your company is a contractor, you'd be covered as a result - so IBM employees who work on commercial servers are covered because IBM does federal contracting, etc.)
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Jul 20, 2014 00:48
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For what it's worth, Obama is keeping the exemption for religiously affiliated contractors that allows them to favor practitioners of their own particular religion. Which isn't particularly bad when you consider the broader ramifications of striking that clause down, but it does mean that some organizations will at the very least have some leeway.
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Jul 20, 2014 00:53
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more friedman units posted:I know the Family groups love empty incendiary rhetoric, but they make it sound like they're going to begin suicide bombing county clerk offices. Considering the kind of poo poo the anti-choicers have perpetrated, I wish I could say that I'm confident they aren't.
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Jul 20, 2014 01:40
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PsychoInternetHawk posted:For what it's worth, Obama is keeping the exemption for religiously affiliated contractors that allows them to favor practitioners of their own particular religion. Which isn't particularly bad when you consider the broader ramifications of striking that clause down, but it does mean that some organizations will at the very least have some leeway. They can't disqualify people as being "not (eg) Christian" just because they're gay, though.
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Jul 20, 2014 01:40
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computer parts posted:They can't disqualify people as being "not (eg) Christian" just because they're gay, though. no, but it might get a little weird if it's a Catholic or Orthodox Jewish organization, for example, with a religious practice that specifically forbids homosexuality. I'm not entirely sure how you'd work around that and I'm guessing it'll end up as another case in front of SCOTUS down the line. Now that I think more about it, I'm rather surprised that it isn't already as it's essentially "no true Scotsman" enshrined in law and there are numerous other areas besides sexual orientation wherein things might get legally dicey..
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PsychoInternetHawk posted:no, but it might get a little weird if it's a Catholic or Orthodox Jewish organization, for example, with a religious practice that specifically forbids homosexuality. I'm not entirely sure how you'd work around that and I'm guessing it'll end up as another case in front of SCOTUS down the line. Now that I think more about it, I'm rather surprised that it isn't already as it's essentially "no true Scotsman" enshrined in law and there are numerous other areas besides sexual orientation wherein things might get legally dicey.. Literally all it means is a Catholic business can favor Catholic contractors.
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Jul 20, 2014 05:36
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Obama signed the executive order today. Also the 4th Circuit (Virginia, WV, North Carolina, and South Carolina [also includes MD but it's already legalized there]) is expected to make their ruling before August.
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Jul 21, 2014 23:17
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We've got another Republican on board: http://www.washingtonpost.com/blogs/post-politics/wp/2014/07/21/republican-rep-david-jolly-fla-supports-gay-marriage/ But with a name like that, how can you not? 
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katium posted:We've got another Republican on board: Huh, I never would've guessed it was Jolly. But now that I think about it, his district is trending more and more purple every year and has a pretty large lgbt community, so this might be a savvy move to trot it out in 2016 against any would-be Democratic challenger. And by waiting until after the November filing deadline conservatives can howl RINO now but they'll
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Amazing how what would be total betrayal in the midwest is a savvy move in a swing state. I wonder if it's truly part of sea change, or if I'm not just looking at huge, irreparable cracks in the R foundation.
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Full Battle Rattle posted:Amazing how what would be total betrayal in the midwest is a savvy move in a swing state. I wonder if it's truly part of sea change, or if I'm not just looking at huge, irreparable cracks in the R foundation. Why not both?
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Jul 22, 2014 03:41
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Even notoriously lovely Governor Rick Scott is dodging questions about marriage equality now, and the FL AG office isn't really fighting too hard to defend the traditional marriage amendment that passed in 2008. We'll get marriage equality here probably by end of 2015 if not sooner.
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skaboomizzy posted:Even notoriously lovely Governor Rick Scott is dodging questions about marriage equality now, and the FL AG office isn't really fighting too hard to defend the traditional marriage amendment that passed in 2008. We'll get marriage equality here probably by end of 2015 if not sooner. Yeah, Rick Scott would rather line his pockets with taxpayer money than waste time fighting marriage equality.
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