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Slate has some soundbites from Posner: http://www.slate.com/blogs/outward/2014/08/27/listen_to_judge_richard_posner_destroy_arguments_against_gay_marriage.html
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Kurvi Tasch posted:Slate has some soundbites from Posner: http://www.slate.com/blogs/outward/2014/08/27/listen_to_judge_richard_posner_destroy_arguments_against_gay_marriage.html This absolutely owns. You almost feel bad for the lawyers just withering under his questioning. Really exposes how hollow the arguments against gay marriage are.
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Kurvi Tasch posted:Slate has some soundbites from Posner: http://www.slate.com/blogs/outward/2014/08/27/listen_to_judge_richard_posner_destroy_arguments_against_gay_marriage.html I'm a little bothered by this citation of no fault divorce harming the institution of marriage. In most cases I wouldn't think twice about hearing it but he just kept coming back to it because he had literally nothing else. Do we really think marriage is a better institution if it's hard to leave a bad one? That's just citing a bunch of numbers without any understanding of what's behind them.
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Skeesix posted:I'm a little bothered by this citation of no fault divorce harming the institution of marriage. In most cases I wouldn't think twice about hearing it but he just kept coming back to it because he had literally nothing else. Do we really think marriage is a better institution if it's hard to leave a bad one? That's just citing a bunch of numbers without any understanding of what's behind them. It's pretty standard judicial trolling, to be honest.
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The one point I'll make I'm defense of the bigots is that at least Indiana's argument that marriage rights can't come from parental rights to raise a child ("homosexuals should be allowed to marry so that their children can be raised equally to those children of heterosexual couples") seems persuasive given that in some states, children can have more than two legal parents
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WhiskeyJuvenile posted:The one point I'll make I'm defense of the bigots is that at least Indiana's argument that marriage rights can't come from parental rights to raise a child ("homosexuals should be allowed to marry so that their children can be raised equally to those children of heterosexual couples") seems persuasive given that in some states, children can have more than two legal parents Isn't California the only state so far that has that "multiple parents" law?
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katium posted:Isn't California the only state so far that has that "multiple parents" law? AFAIK yes
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Kurvi Tasch posted:Slate has some soundbites from Posner: http://www.slate.com/blogs/outward/2014/08/27/listen_to_judge_richard_posner_destroy_arguments_against_gay_marriage.html What really tickled me was another judge letting out a confused "WHAT?" when the Wisconsin Assistant AG starts rambling about common law, anti-miscegenation laws, blah blah, and therefore Loving doesn't apply.
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I realize allowing gay marriage and allowing pedophilia or incest are categorically different things, but you'd think right-wingers would have learned something from the Scalia dissent. If they genuinely believe that allowing gay marriage will lead to precedent allowing legalized pedophilia and incest, they should shut the gently caress up about it before someone cites them!
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Aug 31, 2014 18:56
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katium posted:Freedom to Marry has audio of the oral arguments from the 7th Circuit cases today (Indiana and Wisconsin). "The yellow light won't save you" lol
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Petr posted:I realize allowing gay marriage and allowing pedophilia or incest are categorically different things, but you'd think right-wingers would have learned something from the Scalia dissent. If they genuinely believe that allowing gay marriage will lead to precedent allowing legalized pedophilia and incest, they should shut the gently caress up about it before someone cites them!
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Petr posted:I realize allowing gay marriage and allowing pedophilia or incest are categorically different things, but you'd think right-wingers would have learned something from the Scalia dissent. If they genuinely believe that allowing gay marriage will lead to precedent allowing legalized pedophilia and incest, they should shut the gently caress up about it before someone cites them! To be honest, I think that would be more of a problem if the ADA exemptions for transsexuality ever get challenged, as it's specifically named alongside pedophilia. That said, the trans exemption being struck down in any way could end up with trans rights under ADA being stronger than under a post-Hobby Lobby ENDA. (Incidentally, why does the ADA have a religious exemption clause?)
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Because churches must be allowed to do whatever they want.
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Today, I learned that, in some states, first cousins can marry if they're over 60 or get a doctor's note saying that they're sterile. Who knew listening to court audio could be so educational!
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Kurvi Tasch posted:Slate has some soundbites from Posner: http://www.slate.com/blogs/outward/2014/08/27/listen_to_judge_richard_posner_destroy_arguments_against_gay_marriage.html "No-fault divorce, no-fault divorce, NO-FAULT DIVORCE!!!!" What is up with these people and their obsession with no-fault divorce? It's clearly irrelevant to the case, but the guy can't shut up about it. And I've seen anti-gay marriage activists bring it up in other places as well.
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Abused wives having a way out.
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Petr posted:Today, I learned that, in some states, first cousins can marry if they're over 60 or get a doctor's note saying that they're sterile. Who knew listening to court audio could be so educational! Cousin marriage is entirely legal in 19 states and the District of Columbia.  It doesn't even give substantially more risk for genetic disorders unless your family does it a lot.
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FourLeaf posted:"No-fault divorce, no-fault divorce, NO-FAULT DIVORCE!!!!" They view no-fault divorce, birth control pills, and women in the labor force as the beginning of the assault on Traditional Family. Coincidentally, all of these things involve women having autonomy.
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So there's a video asking what it might mean if or if not a cloned gay person is or is not gay themselves. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7YJOsOf5WZw And then there's this on it:  
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Hot drat this is good! 9th Circuit panel for #NV, #ID, #HI marriage cases announced: REINHARDT, GOULD and BERZON Berzon joined Reinhardt in SmithKline. Gould wrote majority in Witt v. Air Force. Reinhardt wrote majority in Prop 8 case and SmithKline (latter held sexual orientation must withstand heightened scrutiny). Via https://twitter.com/eqcf Mr Ice Cream Glove fucked around with this message at 18:48 on Sep 1, 2014 |
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Mr Ice Cream Glove posted:Hot drat this is good! Why is there a case on appeal from Hawaii? Didn't the state's legalization of SSM make it moot, or is there another issue there?
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Sep 1, 2014 20:09
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The process is slow and the case has not been formally withdrawn or whatever.
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FourLeaf posted:"No-fault divorce, no-fault divorce, NO-FAULT DIVORCE!!!!" My guess is that it's the only piece of legislation that they could find that made the divorce rate increase.
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FourLeaf posted:"No-fault divorce, no-fault divorce, NO-FAULT DIVORCE!!!!"
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Presto posted:The best part is which governor signed the first no-fault divorce law. I'll give you a hint: Jellybeans.  Between this and gun control, the cult of Reagan is built on bullshit.
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Nah, Reagan is still solidly horrible which earns their worship.
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Coahuila has become the 2nd state in Mexico to legalize marriage equality. The vote was 19-1.
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Federal judge upheld Louisiana's ban, first time since the Supreme Court heard cases that such a ruling's been made. Document can be read at Buzzfeed
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Chris James 2 posted:Federal judge upheld Louisiana's ban, first time since the Supreme Court heard cases that such a ruling's been made. Document can be read at Buzzfeed quote:The court "hesitates with the notion that this state's choice could only be inspired by hate and intolerance," the judge wrote, holding that Louisiana "has a legitimate interest ... whether obsolete in the opinion of some, or not, in the opinion of others ... in linking children to an intact family formed by their two biological parents."
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Korak posted:Are Judges elected in Louisiana? This guy needs to be out of office soon. Federal district court judges are appointed for life.
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joat mon posted:Federal district court judges are appointed for life. This one was appointed by Reagan in 1983, for context. Even objectively, this is a comically wobbly opinion. I'd expect it to be overturned on appeal, if SCOTUS hasn't stepped in by then.
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Fine. It'll speed up the SCOTUS response.
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The Macaroni posted:Fine. It'll speed up the SCOTUS response. I'm actually glad they came back with an against-the-grain opinion for the same reason. If this decision survives it will force a Supreme Court ruling, which (risk aside) I'd like to see.
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The Macaroni posted:Fine. It'll speed up the SCOTUS response. It'll have to go through the 5th Circuit first. The 5th Circuit is already set to hear De Leon v. Perry (A Texas case where the judge said Texas' marriage ban was unconstitutional) sometime this fall.
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At the very least this should finally put to rest even the slim doubts among you that this matter doesn't go back to SCOTUS in some way next session.
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quote:The court "hesitates with the notion that this state's choice could only be inspired by hate and intolerance," the judge wrote, holding that Louisiana "has a legitimate interest ... whether obsolete in the opinion of some, or not, in the opinion of others ... in linking children to an intact family formed by their two biological parents." This is like a whiff of nostalgia, even though it would have been totally uncontroversial five years ago. All the more reason to push forward to SCOTUS, as the cultural faddishness that led to these gains can reverse them just as quickly.
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What is the gravity of using so many click bait questions on a decision like that? The judge was just listing things like a bad tabloid "is it the same as literal rape?" and not following up on any of those. Is this a common thing in these decisions? It seems... cheap?
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Vahakyla posted:What is the gravity of using so many click bait questions on a decision like that? The judge was just listing things like a bad tabloid "is it the same as literal rape?" and not following up on any of those. If you follow up on any of them they fall apart, ergo one does not follow them up.  Anyway, Bravo Judge Feldman! With this the SCOTUS will have no choice but to make a decision one way or the other. One can only hope that we will get to watch Scalia suffer an aneurysm on the bench. 
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