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Mymla posted:Maybe they should try preaching about peace, love and forgiveness like that dude from the bible did.
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I can't find any results from Ireland, am I looking in the wrong place or are they not releasing them?
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Lemniscate Blue posted:I can't find any results from Ireland, am I looking in the wrong place or are they not releasing them? Counting starts in the morning. Results expected around mid afternoon.
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Teddybear posted:Counting starts in the morning. Results expected around mid afternoon. Thank you.
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Plavski posted:Galway is a strange mix of hyperactive young people - it's a college town and well known for having one of the best arts scenes outside of Dublin - and insular country folk. Galway and its environs are where most of the countries native Irish speaking population live. This means it's pretty heavily split between younger "don't care about no religion" types and older "religion is everything" types. I lived in Dublin as a foreigner for a couple of years. It was surprising to me how anti-Catholic and progressive the people were. Not just on the campuses (though definitely there) but also when you'd start a conversation with a random person. The issues felt much more alive than in the Netherlands, where these things are sometimes taken for granted. It's an exciting atmosphere.
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Early tallies are coming in and there are strong indications it's going to pass. Happily Galway is looking like a resounding Yes: 14% counted, 60% Yes. People are predicting a landslide based on the first counting. Update: Limerick, Dublin, Mayo, Kildare, Meath, Cork, Galway and a whole load of other places are voting a resounding Yes. Gay marriage in Ireland folks, it's a brave new world. Plavski fucked around with this message at 09:56 on May 23, 2015 |
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""I think it's won. I've seen bellwether boxes open, middle-of-the road areas who wouldn't necessarily be liberal and they are resoundingly voting yes," Equality Minister Aodhan O'Riordain told Reuters at the main count center in Dublin." — Reuters
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May 23, 2015 10:08
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Dublin North Central is 69% Yes. Unheard of. Dublin in its entirety is voting yes it seems. Countrywide, it's currently looking at a 2:1 win for the Yes side.
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Why is it being voted on in Ireland, anyway? With this level of support, I figured it could have happened either through the courts or the legislature with no problems.
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Samurai Sanders posted:Why is it being voted on in Ireland, anyway? With this level of support, I figured it could have happened either through the courts or the legislature with no problems. It requires a change to the constitution, and all changes to the constitution have to go before the people in a referendum. It was what was laid out when Ireland became a republic. This means things like Divorce had to go to a public vote and only passed by one vote per ballot box. As a Brit, I'm not allowed to vote in referendums to change the constitution, even though I've lived here for 20 years. Another hangover from the rebellion.
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Plavski posted:It requires a change to the constitution, and all changes to the constitution have to go before the people in a referendum. It was what was laid out when Ireland became a republic. This means things like Divorce had to go to a public vote and only passed by one vote per ballot box. As a Brit, I'm not allowed to vote in referendums to change the constitution, even though I've lived here for 20 years. Another hangover from the rebellion. edit: I guess I'm not one to talk, with gun ownership in mine. Samurai Sanders fucked around with this message at 10:32 on May 23, 2015 |
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Samurai Sanders posted:Oh, stuff like marriage and divorce are in the constitution there? That's different. Like the US constitution, it came out of a period of intense internal struggle and wasn't made as carefully as it could have been. Unlike the US constitution though, the Irish one is bogged down by Catholic dogma and this is what we've spent the last 20 years trying to remove. We're aiming for a purely secular document, but it's hard-going.
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Samurai Sanders posted:Why is it being voted on in Ireland, anyway? With this level of support, I figured it could have happened either through the courts or the legislature with no problems. Plavski posted:As a Brit, I'm not allowed to vote in referendums to change the constitution, even though I've lived here for 20 years. Another hangover from the rebellion. 
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Dear The Gays, You're welcome.  Yours sincerly, Ireland.
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Standish posted:When I get a vote on your constitution you can vote on ours I can vote for the Taoiseach, but I can't vote to help the gays. 20 years of residency and taxes aren't enough for that it seems.
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Glad to see it happening here in Ireland. Whereas my home country Northern Ireland wants to make it illegal for the gays to buy cake.
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I'm watching Europeans melt down over "degeneracy" right now, feels good mane
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Equine Don posted:I'm watching Europeans melt down over "degeneracy" right now, feels good mane Where's that happening?
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Equine Don posted:I'm watching Europeans melt down over "degeneracy" right now, feels good mane Please post any video links. Be it Satanism or The Gay Agenda (which are normally conflated), watching people panic over this poo poo is the height of hilarity for me.
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Pesmerga posted:Where's that happening? Some other place that's not here.
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Some of the highest yes votes were in the working class areas of Dublin.Plavski posted:I can vote for the Taoiseach, but I can't vote to help the gays. 20 years of residency and taxes aren't enough for that it seems. The law is quite clear. Only Irish citizens can vote in referendums to change to constitution . Its nothing to do with taxes or residency. You've been here for 20 years you should know that by now. edit: btw, Nobody "votes for the Taoiseach".
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As a Dutchman I welcome the Irish to modern times regarding Marriage Equality.  Now we just need to fix our own increasing outdated laws regarding other issues.
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bpower posted:Some of the highest yes votes were in the working class areas of Dublin. If you have the right to vote for your leaders you probably should have the right to vote for changes in your national foundation of laws, though. Like, it's either all or nothing for the 'do you have a stake in this country or not?' Obviously some random spending a summer in Ireland doesn't but a dude living there for years is equally affected as the people born there, isn't he? Legitimately asking on that last one I don't know if this some weird 'actually you're not technically covered by these laws so you don't really have a stake in them' kinda thing.
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Pesmerga posted:Where's that happening? Couple of hours ago on RTÉ there was a senator (I think?) being all passive aggressive about the tone of the campaign  Equality Minister
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bpower posted:Some of the highest yes votes were in the working class areas of Dublin. I can vote in the party that decides to have a referendum but I can't then vote in that referendum. I am all too aware that is the reality, doesn't mean I have to agree with it.
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The catholic church in Ireland are finally realizing they are hosed in steering the country from now on.
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happyhippy posted:The catholic church in Ireland are finally realizing they are hosed in steering the country from now on. Yeah, it's a real 'icing on the cake' thing. Hopefully this will inspire politicians to focus more on social issues and stop pandering to the religious crowd if they want all those sweet youth votes.
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I'm reading it was 70% yes which is a goddamn landslide
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Stouffer posted:Yeah, it's a real 'icing on the cake' thing. Hopefully this will inspire politicians to focus more on social issues and stop pandering to the religious crowd if they want all those sweet youth votes. If there is a referendum on repealing the 8th amendment (the right to life for the unborn) I think you may be disappointed
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kustomkarkommando posted:If there is a referendum on repealing the 8th amendment (the right to life for the unborn) I think you may be disappointed I know, that'll be a way trickier and probably more controversial one. A lot of my friends who voted yes in this referendum would be opposed to abortion. But a lot of people opposed divorce too, so you never know!
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Mr Ice Cream Glove posted:I'm reading it was 70% yes which is a goddamn landslide This is what polling predicted but people were cautious about the results thinking a shy conservative factor would increase the no vote. Also, there was a fear of complacency - the last referendum (on abolishing the senate) made it look like yes would win comfortably but on the day turn out was low and the no side mobilized better and won by a hair. Still think we're looking at something in the 60-70 yes range, the rural vote will pull things down a tad
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kustomkarkommando posted:Still think we're looking at something in the 60-70 yes range, the rural vote will pull things down a tad Sad part is, if Florida put same-sex marriage up to a popular vote for a constitutional amendment and got that amount, it still probably wouldn't pass.  I hate my state at times.
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kustomkarkommando posted:This is what polling predicted but people were cautious about the results thinking a shy conservative factor would increase the no vote. Also, there was a fear of complacency - the last referendum (on abolishing the senate) made it look like yes would win comfortably but on the day turn out was low and the no side mobilized better and won by a hair. They seem to be reporting 65% overall from what I can tell.
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Cythereal posted:Sad part is, if Florida put same-sex marriage up to a popular vote for a constitutional amendment and got that amount, it still probably wouldn't pass. That requirement was put in specifically to prevent a "51% say Gays should be sterilized, it passes!" law from happening.
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Pesmerga posted:They seem to be reporting 65% overall from what I can tell. 62% with over half of the constituencies reporting. Still got a lot of Dublin to go though. Also you are dead to me Roscommon kustomkarkommando fucked around with this message at 16:57 on May 23, 2015 |
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computer parts posted:That requirement was put in specifically to prevent a "51% say Gays should be sterilized, it passes!" law from happening. True, fair point. Just a frustrated bi individual in the American South.
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kustomkarkommando posted:62% with over half of the constituencies reporting. Still got a lot of Dublin to go though. They're saying it was really close in Roscommon, but still, it's sad.
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Plavski posted:They're saying it was really close in Roscommon, but still, it's sad. Its only about a 3% difference but still. Donegal Southwest went yes with a majority of 0.10%, looks like the tightest result so far.
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Sent around a few 'I hear you can get married now, gratz' to straight friends. Best reply is 'You asking?'.
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computer parts posted:That requirement was put in specifically to prevent a "51% say Gays should be sterilized, it passes!" law from happening. And the requirement for a 60% vote only passed by 56%.
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