Straight Marriage Is Illegal Now

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A Bag of Milk: Jul 3, 2007; I don't see any American dream; I see an American nightmare.

PUNCHITCHEWIE posted:

This isn't real, is it?

Are you unfamiliar with American media? That's not even out of the ordinary.

# ¿ May 9, 2012 23:45

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# ¿ Apr 29, 2024 07:58

A Bag of Milk: Jul 3, 2007; I don't see any American dream; I see an American nightmare.

KIM JONG TRILL posted:

The NAACP is officially supporting same-sex marriage.

http://thinkprogress.org/lgbt/2012/05/19/487265/breaking-naacp-endorses-marriage-equality/

"An historic moment." :eng99:

# ¿ May 19, 2012 21:46

A Bag of Milk: Jul 3, 2007; I don't see any American dream; I see an American nightmare.

ErIog posted:

That's actually the correct choice of article. It bumps me every time too. It has to do with the legacy of H'es not always being pronounced. So the H is ignored, and they treat "historic" like it starts with an I in the calculation of a/an.

I think in the modern day grammar nazi's will be all up in your poo poo if you use "a historic moment," but I think both are viewed as correct.

Welp, I also didn't know how to use "its" correctly until my 3rd year of college, so this hardly comes as a surprise to me.

# ¿ May 19, 2012 23:40

A Bag of Milk: Jul 3, 2007; I don't see any American dream; I see an American nightmare.

UltimoDragonQuest posted:

I don't think it ever got posted but SCOTUS will conference on the Prop 8 case and the 8 DOMA cases on November 20th.
Decision to review or not should be released Monday the 26th.

If SCOTUS declines to hear the Prop 8 case, does that make gay marraige legal in California at that moment? I was under the impression it had one more trip through the 9th circuit first.

# ¿ Nov 6, 2012 16:18

A Bag of Milk: Jul 3, 2007; I don't see any American dream; I see an American nightmare.

What's the chance SCOTUS more or less affirms the 9th Circuit ruling on Prop 8, that you can't give a minority group rights only to take them away later? If that was going to be their stance, would they simply not take the case in the first place? Or would it be necessary for them to take the case simply to extend the same ruling across all circuits?

# ¿ Dec 8, 2012 01:00

A Bag of Milk: Jul 3, 2007; I don't see any American dream; I see an American nightmare.

VirtualStranger posted:

No. The only part of DOMA that is currently under consideration is section 3.

Section 2 prevents state government from being required to recognize same-sex marriages performed in another state. If section 2 were to be struck down, states would be required to officially recognize gay marriages performed in other states, and you would then be able to travel to a state where gay marriage is legal and have that marriage be binding in your home state, regardless of whether or not it is legal where you live.

Section 3 officially designates marriage as between two members of the opposite sex for the purposes of federal law. If section 3 were to be struck down, the federal government would be required to officially recognize same-sex marriages performed in a state where they are legal for the purposes of federal benefits and taxation.

Although I do believe that the court would have the capacity to legalize gay marriage nationwide in their opinion, however unlikely that may be.

# ¿ Dec 8, 2012 12:03

A Bag of Milk: Jul 3, 2007; I don't see any American dream; I see an American nightmare.

Nah, it won't be long now before Republicans will claim that they always supported marriage equality, but the Democrats were holding them back. Same way that MLK Jr. was apparently a Republican.

# ¿ Feb 22, 2013 08:35

A Bag of Milk: Jul 3, 2007; I don't see any American dream; I see an American nightmare.

France held its very first gay wedding. Police were there for protection. Somebody threw a smoke bomb in the city hall. Al Jazeera says the wedding happened "relatively peacefully."

Al Jazeera posted:

Two men have married each other in the southern French city of Montpellier in the first same-sex wedding in a country that has been rocked by protests against, and for, the reform.

Security was on high alert for the union of Vincent Autin and Bruno Boileau, who exchanged vows in the city hall on Wednesday before the mayor, relatives and friends, as dozens of riot police stood guard outside to ensure the ceremony was not interrupted by protestors.

The two men, who have been together since they hit it off six years ago discussing music in an online forum, embraced to wild cheers from the audience of about 500 people and the strains of "Love and Marriage" by Frank Sinatra.

"It's a great pleasure for me to declare you married by law," said Montpellier Mayor Helene Mandroux as the couple, both dressed in dark suits, kissed and signed the marriage registry.

The ceremony marked a symbolic end to months of debate that often overshadowed France's economic woes, contributing Socialist President Francois Hollande's reputation as a reformer despite bitter and continued opposition from Catholics and conservatives.

"This is a historic moment in your own lives ... and a historic moment for our country," Mandroux told the ceremony. "We are building here together the society of tomorrow."

'Society of tomorrow'

Despite support for the reform in Montpellier, which boasts of being France's most gay-friendly town, officials scrapped plans to broadcast the wedding live on a giant TV screen and instead beamed it live online to the city's website.

Moments before the men walked in, a smoke bomb was lobbed from outside into the perimeter of the city hall. Security guards rushed to investigate, but the wedding went ahead.

An emotional Autin gave a brief speech to the audience, thanking his family, friends and government spokeswoman Najat Vallaud-Belkacem, a personal friend present at the ceremony.

"Love each other, love us, love one another, because it's important," said Autin from a balcony to a crowd of hundreds of well-wishers outside the city hall, adding the next step would be a law allowing gay couples to adopt children.

After the men exchanged a kiss, Mandroux signed the first ever marriage registry entry for two people of the same sex in France, a nation predominantly Roman Catholic but fiercely attached to the separation of church and state.

Backed by a slim majority of citizens and feted by gay men and lesbians when it came into force this month, a law making France the 14th country to allow same-sex marriage had triggered street protests by conservatives, Catholics and extreme right-wingers.

http://www.aljazeera.com/news/europe/2013/05/20135291785840754.html

# ¿ May 30, 2013 07:26

A Bag of Milk: Jul 3, 2007; I don't see any American dream; I see an American nightmare.

But... certainly in this alternate universe where Loving went in the other direction this would have had some kind of effect in the way the remaining 16 states would have overturned their miscegenation laws... in a 5-4 decision Justice Thomas of the alternate reality provides the swing vote to win Virginia the case, yet Alabama still overturns their law in exactly 33 years? Not sure why I'm focusing on this aspect of the quote, probably because it's the least physically painful.

# ¿ May 14, 2014 05:21

A Bag of Milk: Jul 3, 2007; I don't see any American dream; I see an American nightmare.

RZApublican posted:

Mods, please change my name to "counterfeit marriage".

Hold my marriage up to the light, and you'll see a founding father smiling back down on you. :911:

# ¿ May 15, 2014 05:20

A Bag of Milk: Jul 3, 2007; I don't see any American dream; I see an American nightmare.

RZApublican posted:

No no, you see, there's an untapped pool of straight people just waiting to be lured into the gay lifestyle by virtue of it becoming more mainstream and conventional when same-sex marriage becomes legalized. Because god wants them to have children in heterosexual marriage and as raising children is both difficult and a commitment, they'll just choose the gay lifestyle and not bother with any of that.

I have literally heard that last sentence used as an argument against gay marriage before.

Based on my experience with evangelicals it's exactly this. No part of this is an exaggeration in any way. It reminds me most of the abstinence only movement. Even though birth control, sex education, and plan b could, say, greatly reduce the amount of abortions and single mothers, that's not the point. Just as the point of bringing up STDs among homosexuals does not have anything to do with wanting to lower this rate (in fact, to many evangelicals these STDs are a manifestation of god's wrath). It is all about stamping out a perceived moral evil from society.

# ¿ May 17, 2014 03:32

A Bag of Milk: Jul 3, 2007; I don't see any American dream; I see an American nightmare.

Mr Ice Cream Glove posted:

So this just came across my radar

The End of GOP Proud

http://www.breitbart.com/Big-Government/2014/06/07/The-End-of-GOProud

I still have no idea to what extent this group was operating in good faith. I mean, I don't think it would be any more weird.

# ¿ Jun 10, 2014 00:39

A Bag of Milk: Jul 3, 2007; I don't see any American dream; I see an American nightmare.

Kalman posted:

At least as of a year ago, there was actually some internal belief in Democratic Senate offices that ENDA could get through the Senate by peeling off the usual R suspects. My guess is Reid had Obama hold off on ENDA until it became completely certain that it couldn't go through.

The ENDA passed the Senate with 64 votes last year. It will not get a vote in the House.

# ¿ Jun 16, 2014 23:01

A Bag of Milk: Jul 3, 2007; I don't see any American dream; I see an American nightmare.

SwingShift posted:

Wouldn't unborn/aborted children's souls go straight to heaven, bypassing temptation and all chances to sin? Obviously homosexuals and feminists are doing the Lord's work by ensuring that all children's souls will be saved.

The answer to this will depend on who you ask, but I believe Calvinists would say they go to hell. Original sin + no praying for forgiveness = cya. Although a question I wondered is, in what capacity would an aborted fetus perceive the afterlife? It may not even have a brain, let alone a collection of experiences with which to create a sense of self.

# ¿ Jun 20, 2014 08:56

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# ¿ Apr 29, 2024 07:58

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cruft posted:

Yeah, wasn't it, like, decades?

A simple majority of Americans did not support interracial marriage until the mid-90s.

Edit: hello entire new page

# ¿ Nov 7, 2014 05:42

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