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Glitterbomber posted:The statement still applies, there's so many factors to the gradual rightward shift that happened even before 2000 to blame a third party for it is just downright petty and nothing but 'well if we just don't mess with the norm things would be ok!!!!' logic. Nobody (or at least very few people) blame the righward shift of the Democratic party on Nader. When most people bring this up, it's in rebuttal to the implication that voting for a leftist candidate - even to the point where it guarantees the election of a right wing candidate - will move the Democratic party, or voters in general, towards the left. The party lost the 2000 election due to a left wing third party challenger and did not show any movement to improve their relationship with left wing voters. I don't know if it's a good argument against third parties in general, but in this case, voting for the third party candidate had none of the positive effects that third party advocates promote and I think that fact needs to be dealt with when discussing the subject.
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UltimoDragonQuest posted:Stormont is the Irish capitol. Stormont is where the Northern Irish government is based. It's an estate outside of Belfast. The capitol of the Republic of Ireland is in Dublin.
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AYC posted:If Harper & the Tories are any precedent, they'll drop it quickly once they realize it's not going away. If Roe v. Wade is a precedent, they will cling to it until the end of time.
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