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netally
Jun 30, 2007

Not much fun

Rory Gilmore is so drat cool. I honestly wish there were more characters like her on TV. The only time she bugged me is the season when her and Lorelai were having that huge fight. Rory just acted like a complete bitch and so out of character. I also liked Paris, she just didn't give a poo poo what anyone thought.

Has anyone seen the movie Postgrad? I heard Alexis Bledel plays a Rory-ish character in it. It was weird seeing her in Mad Men the other week because I honestly can't see her as anyone but Rory, and Rory should not be half-naked on TV!

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bobkatt013
Oct 8, 2006

Yes join me


netally posted:

Rory Gilmore is so drat cool. I honestly wish there were more characters like her on TV. The only time she bugged me is the season when her and Lorelai were having that huge fight. Rory just acted like a complete bitch and so out of character. I also liked Paris, she just didn't give a poo poo what anyone thought.

Has anyone seen the movie Postgrad? I heard Alexis Bledel plays a Rory-ish character in it. It was weird seeing her in Mad Men the other week because I honestly can't see her as anyone but Rory, and Rory should not be half-naked on TV!

The wives on Mad Men are Rory, Annie from Community, and Alex Mack.

mangler103
Jun 6, 2003

You'll get those cats when you get those cats, Jane.


hope and vaseline posted:

Ongoing trip report for Dawson's Creek: 3 episodes into season 5 and I feel like I've lost all interest. I kinda figured they would all have to end up together in the same town but I didn't expect the reasons to be so contrived. Joey continues to be the center of the universe. I'm so sick of the triangle at this point and the constant revisiting. It feels like an endless loop that just won't stop cause she's a horrible character that can't make up her mind and leads people along. What is up with Dawson quitting film school after he had one bad experience as an intern? He's barely in school a month or two and he decides to give up his dream just to pursue the remnants of that kiss they shared?

Not to mention the other characters seem to have turned into pod people. Jen's a booty call for One Tree Hill now. Pacey's... hanging around semi stalking Joey. Jack's suddenly all into being a Frat Guy after being creepily accosted by the brothers.

Should I keep pushing on, is there a light at the end of the tunnel? Or just skip to the series finale? It's a shame too, I thought S3 was an improvement over the first two and S4 bordered on almost being good television.

gently caress Katie Holmes and her constant attempts at trying to emote by making cutesy faces.

I'd stick with it. It is essentially the Joey show from here on out, but there's a Dawson storyline coming up that I love. Stick with it at least until Dawson goes to a film festival. If that doesn't grab you, then nothing else probably will.

hope and vaseline
Feb 13, 2001

On this never ending road to Calvary


The pHo posted:

Just stay away from my Lorelai, and we'll be good

But yes, that was my principle problem after watching GG - there was no other show out there that was just... as good as GG was. I never knew a show with as much attention to the side characters as much as it did... pretty much everyone could have their own spinoff and it'd be brilliant. Who wouldn't watch a weekly show about Kirk ?!

I could give or take Rory, but yeah I agree with Lorelai. She's amazing in every way. And from the interviews I've seen her do on Ferguson and Ellen she basically seems to be playing herself on the show, albeit a little less giggly

The pHo
Jun 10, 2006

BETTER THE DEVIL YOU KNOW


I keep copies of every time Lauren Graham is on Craig's show, she's the best guest. Someone in the GBS thread said they heard she was a bit of a bitch on set, but it was probably from 'that' season where she was undoubtedly stressed through the eyeballs. I just can't imagine her being anything other than totally lovely.

netally posted:

Has anyone seen the movie Postgrad? I heard Alexis Bledel plays a Rory-ish character in it.

Avatar was sold out, so based on nothing but the cast list we went to see it, and it was very average. I'd only seen GG in bits up to that point but still liked Alexis in things, but the script just wasn't that great. Michael Keaton probably brought it up from a 3/10 to a 5/10 by himself, he was pretty good in it.

The Light Eternal
Jun 12, 2006

A man who dares to waste one hour of time has not discovered the value of life.


I heard she wasn't the nicest person. When I was at a taping she wasn't around so my evidence is second-hand. Scott/Luke is super dashing in person though.

Conduit for Sale!
Apr 17, 2007



bobkatt013 posted:

The wives on Mad Men are Rory, Annie from Community, and Alex Mack.

Wait, what? poo poo, I need to get caught up on Mad Men.

netally posted:

Rory Gilmore is so drat cool. I honestly wish there were more characters like her on TV. The only time she bugged me is the season when her and Lorelai were having that huge fight. Rory just acted like a complete bitch and so out of character. I also liked Paris, she just didn't give a poo poo what anyone thought.

Was that when she dropped out of school? Yeah that was bullshit. Completely out of character. I think that was in one of the latter seasons when it seemed like the writers/ASP were grasping at straws (see also: Luke's daughter).

bobkatt013
Oct 8, 2006

Yes join me


Conduit for Sale! posted:

Wait, what? poo poo, I need to get caught up on Mad Men.


Was that when she dropped out of school? Yeah that was bullshit. Completely out of character. I think that was in one of the latter seasons when it seemed like the writers/ASP were grasping at straws (see also: Luke's daughter).

Well Annie has been in it since the first but Alex Mack and Rory have only been this season.

The pHo
Jun 10, 2006

BETTER THE DEVIL YOU KNOW


I didn't know about those cast additions, I really need to get into it (5 episodes in, liked a lot but just got put aside).

The Luke's daughter was mainly last season, post ASP, from memory.

hope and vaseline
Feb 13, 2001

On this never ending road to Calvary


The pHo posted:

I didn't know about those cast additions, I really need to get into it (5 episodes in, liked a lot but just got put aside).

The Luke's daughter was mainly last season, post ASP, from memory.

Not quite, it actually started early in season 6, ASP's last, it's basically what put a rift between Lorelai and Luke that led to her sleeping with Christopher.

And I can't imagine how Lauren Graham can possibly be anything but sweet and funny in real life

The pHo
Jun 10, 2006

BETTER THE DEVIL YOU KNOW


Ah, I knew it was still going on at the end (I think?) but I thought it started maybe late s6, cheers.

I didn't hate either last 2 seasons personally, not as good as the first 5 but still enjoyable. Maybe watching it in a massive marathon helped.

Sophia
Apr 16, 2003

There is neither happiness nor misery in the world; there is only the comparison of one state with another, nothing more. Live, then, and be happy, and never forget, that until the day God will deign to reveal the future to man, all human wisdom is contained in these two words, "Wait and Hope".


Conduit for Sale! posted:

So, are there any other shows with a character like Rory? You know, smart, driven, independent, not defined by the men in her life, insanely impossibly beautiful, etc. I mean, she's kind of a Mary Sue a lot of the time but gently caress it, I don't care. Rory Gilmore is awesome.

CJ Cregg in The West Wing. Starbuck and Laura Roslin in Battlestar Galactica. Alex on Nikita. Emily Thorne on Revenge. Tami Taylor on Friday Night Lights. Alicia Florrick on The Good Wife. Peggy on Mad Men. Amber on Parenthood.

If you're looking for teen shows exclusively, though, you're pretty much hosed except for maybe Caroline on Vampire Diaries but she's a lot about the boys even if she's not necessarily defined by them.

bobkatt013
Oct 8, 2006

Yes join me


Sophia posted:

CJ Cregg in The West Wing. Starbuck and Laura Roslin in Battlestar Galactica. Alex on Nikita. Emily Thorne on Revenge. Tami Taylor on Friday Night Lights. Alicia Florrick on The Good Wife. Peggy on Mad Men. Amber on Parenthood.

If you're looking for teen shows exclusively, though, you're pretty much hosed except for maybe Caroline on Vampire Diaries but she's a lot about the boys even if she's not necessarily defined by them.

Trixie from Deadwood is a bit like this. She is defined by her loyalty be it men or women.

Conduit for Sale!
Apr 17, 2007



Sophia posted:

CJ Cregg in The West Wing. Starbuck and Laura Roslin in Battlestar Galactica. Alex on Nikita. Emily Thorne on Revenge. Tami Taylor on Friday Night Lights. Alicia Florrick on The Good Wife. Peggy on Mad Men. Amber on Parenthood.

If you're looking for teen shows exclusively, though, you're pretty much hosed except for maybe Caroline on Vampire Diaries but she's a lot about the boys even if she's not necessarily defined by them.

Haha I've seen all those shows except Parenthood and I'm catching up on Nikita right now.

Oh well I can always rewatch GG again.

less laughter
May 7, 2012


bobkatt013 posted:

Well Annie has been in it since the first but Alex Mack and Rory have only been this season.
No, Alex Mack was already in season 4 as well.

bobkatt013
Oct 8, 2006

Yes join me


less laughter posted:

No, Alex Mack was already in season 4 as well.

Ya but it was really really minor last season.

Conduit for Sale!
Apr 17, 2007



No Alex Mack appearance is minor.

less laughter
May 7, 2012


The part where she threw Roger Sterling out of a fortieth story window with her mind was pretty cool.

Sophia
Apr 16, 2003

There is neither happiness nor misery in the world; there is only the comparison of one state with another, nothing more. Live, then, and be happy, and never forget, that until the day God will deign to reveal the future to man, all human wisdom is contained in these two words, "Wait and Hope".


Conduit for Sale! posted:

Haha I've seen all those shows except Parenthood and I'm catching up on Nikita right now.

Oh well I can always rewatch GG again.

Haha, drat. Well, I did my best with the listing! I'm sure there are more out there that I just haven't seen, but I tried to be comprehensive (and non-procedural)...

Zedd
Jul 6, 2009

I mean, who would have noticed another madman around here?



flashy_mcflash posted:

We just wrapped it up and I agree. The characters were actually well-drawn and better realized than the second cycle of kids, but not enough happened to the G3 cast, or at least, all the drama really just seemed to bounce off of them.

Really looking forward to the next, final season though, which brings back folks from all the previous generations.

Oh nice, I did hear that the movie failed in planning stages but a wrapup season is even better.
I hope they adress cook/Freddie and anwwar

Call Me Charlie
Dec 3, 2005

Hell, I could
tell you some
stories...


Zedd posted:

Oh nice, I did hear that the movie failed in planning stages but a wrapup season is even better.
I hope they adress cook/Freddie and anwwar

Good news for you.

https://twitter.com/jacko__c/status/202845069533913091

netally
Jun 30, 2007

Not much fun

Conduit for Sale! posted:

Haha I've seen all those shows except Parenthood and I'm catching up on Nikita right now.

Oh well I can always rewatch GG again.

I think you'd like Parenthood. It's a slow-burning show, but I marathoned the first two seasons on Netflix and really got into it. Lauren Graham plays a very Lorelai-ish character so it has a bit of a Gilmore Girls feel. Mae Whitman, who plays her daughter, is just so drat cool and adorable.

Sanguinia
Jan 1, 2012

Now, the undefeated king sings aloud the name of booze he holds in his hand...


I've thrown away more hours than I should have on this type of program, but gently caress if I remember anything about any of them.

Except Everwood. That show had me completely hypnotized. If for no other reason than that the chemistry between the doctor dad and the stuck up local doctor was magical.

EDIT:

Oh, and Gilmore Girls. If Gilmore Girls was cocaine I'd probably be dead. And feel less shame over it.

RoryGilmore
May 8, 2007

I'm just real happy to see you.


Conduit for Sale! posted:

Was that when she dropped out of school? Yeah that was bullshit. Completely out of character. I think that was in one of the latter seasons when it seemed like the writers/ASP were grasping at straws (see also: Luke's daughter).

Whenever I rewatch Gilmore Girls I usually watch/pay attention to everything up until S4 and then I just peter out or give up afterwards. The Rory of the later seasons isn't really the Rory of the first few

All the Roryish characters have already been said in this thread, but they're not the same, and I don't think a character like her will ever be created as well as it was in Gilmore Girls. Postgrad was okay, I Am Reed Fish was horrible. She sort of plays the shy/introverted smart girl in Sisterhood of the Traveling Pants which is an alright movie! And Parenthood does rock for Lauren Graham being very Lorelai-ish.

patricius
Apr 17, 2006

sicut patribus sit deus nobis


Sanguinia posted:

Except Everwood. That show had me completely hypnotized. If for no other reason than that the chemistry between the doctor dad and the stuck up local doctor was magical.

I loved Everwood; I've probably watched the whole series through three times. It was really a notch above a lot of the other shows in this category. It still indulged in the tropes of the genre, of course, but I thought the characters were all quite relatable and that the show actually had something to say about grief and loss and guilt and depression and how people deal with all of them (successfully or not) especially in seasons 1 and 2. I don't understand why it didn't catch on more. I thought it ended well--a little over the top, but no worse than any of these other shows and probably better than the majority--but in reruns it only had that one run on ABC Family while Gilmore Girls has been running for a zillion years. And I loved GG (minus the stupid plots in the last two seasons), and I'll concede it's probably more accessible for people who are just jumping in on a random episode, but I wish Everwood got more credit.

It had some good music choices, too. Too bad every DVD set other than season 1 has music changes, but I guess it was either that or not have it published at all.

Random GG note: did anyone notice how Rory was never, ever "going to college/school"... she was always "going to Yale" or "going back to Yale" as if the show had to remind us at every turn of where she went to school? Always thought that was a weird dialogue thing.

Sanguinia
Jan 1, 2012

Now, the undefeated king sings aloud the name of booze he holds in his hand...


patricius posted:

Random GG note: did anyone notice how Rory was never, ever "going to college/school"... she was always "going to Yale" or "going back to Yale" as if the show had to remind us at every turn of where she went to school? Always thought that was a weird dialogue thing.

I always just wrote that off because OH EM GEE ITS YAAAAAAAAAAAAAALE.

I mean, Ivy League is a big deal, and when Small Town Person gets into one, especially ON A SCHOLARSHIP no one ever shuts up about it.

It seemed perfectly in character to me, though I admit it did sound a bit awkward on occasion, but then that's sort of the point. Gotta drop that name no matter how awkward.

Also, agreed in the RIP for original music choices getting edited out due to copyright on ANY DVD. loving late 90s-Early 00s pop bands! I want to revel in period nostalgia!

Biggest reason I never picked Grey's Anatomy back up in DVD form was I was sure all those RADIO HITS would be disappeared off the soundtrack.

hope and vaseline
Feb 13, 2001

On this never ending road to Calvary


Everwood was also the first thing I saw Chris Pratt, Parks/Rec's amazing Andy Dwyer, in. I really should go back and watch it...

xeria
Jul 26, 2004

"Hey guys! What's this N-F-L thing you're doing? Is it like college? Can we play? C'mon guys! Jacksonville's a popular place!

C'mon! Miami? Tampa?

...Anyone?"

Sanguinia posted:

Also, agreed in the RIP for original music choices getting edited out due to copyright on ANY DVD. loving late 90s-Early 00s pop bands! I want to revel in period nostalgia!

This is pretty much the #1 reason I haven't bought Daria on DVD. gently caress your fake musical cues. I want my 90s pop/rock! I want my youth!

Crow_Robot
Apr 4, 2006

Baby Executive is pleased with your performance!


I've been rewatching Dawson's Creek on Amazon Prime Instant, and I noticed in one of the episodes the song they put in for syndication has an uncensored 'gently caress' in it. It's the episode where they go to study for a test at that one rich dude's house with the pool and he fucks Joey and that little girl keeps bugging Dawson.

courtney_beth
Jul 23, 2007

I SHALL NOT USE MY
HOOVES AS HANDS


Sanguinia posted:


Except Everwood. That show had me completely hypnotized. If for no other reason than that the chemistry between the doctor dad and the stuck up local doctor was magical.


It was so blatantly obvious that the local doctor had some weird love-hate/obsession with the doctor dad. I loved that show so much.

Sanguinia
Jan 1, 2012

Now, the undefeated king sings aloud the name of booze he holds in his hand...


xeria posted:

This is pretty much the #1 reason I haven't bought Daria on DVD. gently caress your fake musical cues. I want my 90s pop/rock! I want my youth!

I can only imagine what an abortion Cold Case is on DVD. The period music is one of the CRITICAL parts of the flashback bits and big drama moments, which is the ONLY thing thats unique or interesting about Crime Procedural #782

hope and vaseline
Feb 13, 2001

On this never ending road to Calvary


Crow_Robot posted:

I've been rewatching Dawson's Creek on Amazon Prime Instant, and I noticed in one of the episodes the song they put in for syndication has an uncensored 'gently caress' in it. It's the episode where they go to study for a test at that one rich dude's house with the pool and he fucks Joey and that little girl keeps bugging Dawson.

Haha, I totally missed that. How awful is the song they used for the theme in place of Paula Cole's I Don't Wanna Wait? It's crazy they weren't able to secure rights for distribution, that song is so iconic as THE theme song. That tuneless wail from Run Like Mad get's stuck in my head randomly now too and I just want to drill it out...

hope and vaseline fucked around with this message at May 30, 2012 around 05:14

courtney_beth
Jul 23, 2007

I SHALL NOT USE MY
HOOVES AS HANDS


Wait a second -- they replaced the theme song? WHAT. That's the staple of the show.

Christmas Jones
Apr 12, 2007

nuklear fizzicist

I knew that niche shows sometimes have trouble with DVD song rights, but I had no idea it was so widespread. Thank God for whatever contract agreement is at play on my Gossip Girl DVDs.

Tell me that the Dawson issue got fixed at least for the physical DVD?

Stabitha
Mar 11, 2005

You lookin' at me? Don't.

courtney_beth posted:

Wait a second -- they replaced the theme song? WHAT. That's the staple of the show.

On Netflix they use the international theme song for Dawson's Creek. I don't like it as much.

http://youtu.be/sjql5bkkL5E

patricius
Apr 17, 2006

sicut patribus sit deus nobis


courtney_beth posted:

Wait a second -- they replaced the theme song? WHAT. That's the staple of the show.

Yeah, my sister has all the Dawson's DVDs and played the song for me once. It's really jarring. I never watched Dawson's beyond the first season on broadcast and wouldn't have sought it out the later seasons anywhere else so it would have to have been on those DVDs, unless I'm totally misremembering. I think they start replacing it starting in season 3 or 4?

mangler103
Jun 6, 2003

You'll get those cats when you get those cats, Jane.


What's even crazier is that on the DVD's they managed to get "Imagine" in the 4th or 5th season, but they can't license a Paula Cole song? What the gently caress?

On the DVD's at least, the Paula Cole song is intact for the first season for sure, maybe the 2nd, but when that third season hits it's so jarring.

bobkatt013
Oct 8, 2006

Yes join me


mangler103 posted:

What's even crazier is that on the DVD's they managed to get "Imagine" in the 4th or 5th season, but they can't license a Paula Cole song? What the gently caress?

On the DVD's at least, the Paula Cole song is intact for the first season for sure, maybe the 2nd, but when that third season hits it's so jarring.

Also since her "fame" came from Dawson Creek so her not willing to license it is completely ridiculous.

netally
Jun 30, 2007

Not much fun

Why does changing the theme tune ruin stuff so much? It bugs the hell out of me. When they show House in the UK it has some godawful instrumental theme tune for some reason. Oh and watching Married with Children is not the same without Frank Sinatra at the beginning.

Daria is probably one of the worst examples of this. Probably because the grungy 90s music is what made the show so cool and gave it atmosphere. I wonder who writes all these songs that sound like bad instrumental versions of the original? It must be soul destroying.

This site is kinda cool though, a list of all the songs in Daria. Brought back some memories! http://www.outpost-daria.com/episode_guide.html

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Sophia
Apr 16, 2003

There is neither happiness nor misery in the world; there is only the comparison of one state with another, nothing more. Live, then, and be happy, and never forget, that until the day God will deign to reveal the future to man, all human wisdom is contained in these two words, "Wait and Hope".


Christmas Jones posted:

I knew that niche shows sometimes have trouble with DVD song rights, but I had no idea it was so widespread. Thank God for whatever contract agreement is at play on my Gossip Girl DVDs.

Tell me that the Dawson issue got fixed at least for the physical DVD?
It's not so much niche as old shows, since back in the day the thought of Internet streaming had barely been born (and sometimes the thought of DVDs) and music right contracts we're rarely tight enough to keep using them.

This isn't exactly a teen show but the theme song thing bothers the poo poo out of me in Charmed. All of the other music is whatever, but that theme should be right dammit.

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