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So my girl currently works at a school for students who can't cope (for whatever reason) with normal school. Bad kids, hyper active kids, etc. The kids she deals with are approx. 12-15yrs old. These are inner-city kids who are surrounded by gang violence and poor to non-existenting parenting. I'm not judging the parents or their parenting abilities as most of the time it is due to lovely circumstances, but the facts are facts. Recently she has been coming home with stories about a specific kid we'll call Andy. It all started with what you might consider normal behavior for a kid in Andy's position. He would lie about his life to avoid work, lie about his past behaviors, and about general things in his life. For example he told the teachers he was on medication for depression (Completely false), and that if he would skip taking his medication he would end up in a straight jacket locked away. The kid would go into extreme detail over the course of many days building out these lies. More recently Andy has been giving literal death threats at the school. While talking to a counselor he described the ordering of his kill-list, listing my girlfriend along with many others (including the counselor). This right here I thought would be an immediate red flag especially considering the nature of the school itself. However they continued to let Andy attend class and be a part of the school. This was the first incident and there were a few others to follow involving Andy and verbal death threats until this week. Andy was pretending to sleep while a lesson was going on when the teacher attempted to get him to pay attention. Andy acknowledged that he wasn't sleeping but still refused to participate. The teacher proceeded to move the desk he was resting his head on. At this point Andy was no longer laying down and chose to walk over to the teacher behind the teachers desk and start a screaming/yelling match while they were toe to toe in what any normal person would consider an escalating situation that was clearly headed towards becoming a physical altercation. It did not become physical. During the altercation more death threats were given, also Andy restated the death threats to the principal in his office and to the teachers aides. The school has still not removed him or done any sort of repercussions for the death threats and they are coming more often now than ever. There is arguing between the parent and school at this point in time over the "desk pulling" incident described above and how that is the reason for all of this and therefore the kid should not be in trouble. I am posting this for two reasons. 1) I want to post about it before the shooting happens. 2) It's interesting and I thought you guys might get a good read. Any questions just post em here and I'll ask the woman.
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| # ? Mar 3, 2012 01:08 |
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Sounds almost typical for an inner city school. The stories I hear about the Philadelphia school district sound on par with this.
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| # ? Mar 3, 2012 01:12 |
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What does being African-American have to do with your story and Andy?
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jwitko posted:So my girl currently works at a school for students who can't cope (for whatever reason) with normal school. Bad kids, hyper active kids, etc. The kids she deals with are approx. 12-15yrs old. These are inner-city kids who are surrounded by gang violence and poor to non-existenting parenting. I'm not judging the parents or their parenting abilities as most of the time it is due to lovely circumstances, but the facts are facts. I would imagine that a school like this would have strict procedures regarding security measures in case such a thing actually happened. As far as anecdotal evidence goes My mother and I work in social services and it's not at all considered unusual to have clients scream death threats on a regular basis. They usually do it for the attention or mental illness is a factor. Have you talked to your girlfriend about your worries? Does it bother her much at all? If she is worried she could always talk to senior faculty who have the most experience with this sort of thing. *edit* Abeya Minora posted:What does being African-American have to do with your story and Andy? This too, is a very good question.
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| # ? Mar 3, 2012 01:14 |
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I do like my GBS in E/N flavour. Who told your girlfriend what he'd said to the counsellor? Were they supposed to include information about other individuals he'd talked about? Your girlfriend should probably lodge an official complaint if she feels unsafe, and see where it goes from there.
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Abeya Minora posted:What does being African-American have to do with your story and Andy? Also, do they not do expulsions or suspensions at this school because holy poo poo that kid 
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Abeya Minora posted:What does being African-American have to do with your story and Andy? I imagine that Andy is African-American, and therefore it's used to describe him. Also, I'm pretty sure this paragraph solves the problem. quote:It all started with what you might consider normal behavior for a kid in Andy's position. He would lie about his life to avoid work, lie about his past behaviors, and about general things in his life. For example he told the teachers he was on medication for depression (Completely false), and that if he would skip taking his medication he would end up in a straight jacket locked away. The kid would go into extreme detail over the course of many days building out these lies.
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| # ? Mar 3, 2012 01:16 |
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That's not how Andy tells it.
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| # ? Mar 3, 2012 01:16 |
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You could try informing the media, I'm sure they would love a story like that.
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Really though OP, is there any situation in which you would have thought it important to specify 'Andy is a 5'11 white mildly obese child. ' This is something people do subconsciously to shift personal accountability for actions onto an entire race.
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| # ? Mar 3, 2012 01:19 |
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jwitko posted:I am posting this for two reasons. Why? So when someone posts the article of the shooting you can be all "It's me! MY GIRLFRIEND is the one who got shot by a
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| # ? Mar 3, 2012 01:19 |
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What does him being morbidly obese have to do with anything? Just what are you trying to say?
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| # ? Mar 3, 2012 01:20 |
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While I doubt he'd mention Andy was "English American" if he were white, Im not going to automatically assume he's racist for pointing out the kid is African American. But he IS a SKINNIEST. WHY YOU GOTTA MENTION THE KID IS MORBIDLY OBESE? (in all seriousness, he didn't have to say a word about the kid. Don't derail this poo poo with GBS White Guilt)
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Norton Ghostride posted:Really though OP, is there any situation in which you would have thought it important to specify 'Andy is a 5'11 white mildly obese child. ' For that matter, why use any descriptors? Andy is a human. End of thread.
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Norton Ghostride posted:Really though OP, is there any situation in which you would have thought it important to specify 'Andy is a 5'11 white mildly obese child. ' I dunno I've seen stories here where people describe others as "Scrawny white guy", etc just to help paint a mental image.
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Abeya Minora posted:What does being African-American have to do with your story and Andy? How come you gotta pick on his African-American descriptor and not that he was 5'11 or obese? You racist.
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Norton Ghostride posted:Really though OP, is there any situation in which you would have thought it important to specify 'Andy is a 5'11 white mildly obese child. ' Why is it important to specify the kid's height and weight or even gender? I don't see how the OP is being racist by describing the kid. This is pretty irrelevant to his girlfriend's safety.
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jwitko posted:It all started with what you might consider normal behavior for a kid in Andy's position. He would lie about his life to avoid work, lie about his past behaviors, and about general things in his life. For example he told the teachers he was on medication for depression (Completely false), and that if he would skip taking his medication he would end up in a straight jacket locked away. The kid would go into extreme detail over the course of many days building out these lies. Did he get banned from E/N?
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Abeya Minora posted:What does being African-American have to do with your story and Andy? He once stole her bike before the threats started coming.
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| # ? Mar 3, 2012 01:22 |
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Do you just assume this kid has a gun? I don't really see any evidence of that within your post.
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| # ? Mar 3, 2012 01:24 |
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What does Andy being 5'11" have to do with anything?
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| # ? Mar 3, 2012 01:25 |
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lol if you guys so wish I can edit out his physical description. I only included it for the mental picture. Just for reference I would have included if he were white, asian, etc. It is just to paint a picture. But to be honest you're all correct in that it doesn't matter so I'm going to remove it. To answer some questions: -The "upper management" knows about the situation, they are choosing to deal with it in their own way I guess. -The school does NOT believe in suspension, although it does exist for extreme cases. -Why did I want to post before it happens? Because it would make for a great story, and aren't we all here to be entertained in one fashion or another? (USER WAS PUT ON PROBATION FOR THIS POST)
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| # ? Mar 3, 2012 01:25 |
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Feel free to address why you think he'll actually do something, when you start off describing him as a liar.
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| # ? Mar 3, 2012 01:27 |
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Well he's black and poor, so obviously he has some guns guys... OP, does the school have metal detectors?
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| # ? Mar 3, 2012 01:27 |
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Every day before your gf goes to school, tell her to watch this http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=yid-CW-O9Qw
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Triamcinolone posted:Do you just assume this kid has a gun? I don't really see any evidence of that within your post. Its not hard to get a gun. Especially if you live in the hood. I think what worried him most was this kid making repeated verbal death threats so he jumped to the wild conclusion that this kid wants to kill some people. Quite a stretch, I know.
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jwitko posted:
You are a weird dude if you think the thought of your girlfriend getting murdered is an entertaining story to tell strangers.
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| # ? Mar 3, 2012 01:28 |
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Andy is a stinkyhole*. *Not misogyny due to Andy's penis.
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Harry posted:Feel free to address why you think he'll actually do something, when you start off describing him as a liar. I describe him as a liar because he is one. This all came to fruition during the recent parent teacher conferences where it was revealed he not only made up several lies about his life but built the lies out to a point of excess over long periods of time. This being said I don't necessarily believe he is 100% intent on doing it. The major point being made is not taking threats seriously like this is what leads to it happening eventually.
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| # ? Mar 3, 2012 01:29 |
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Why did you label him as Andy? I bet you wouldn't have even mentioned it if his name was Steve. You're a namist, OP.
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jwitko posted:-Why did I want to post before it happens? Because it would make for a great story, and aren't we all here to be entertained in one fashion or another? Hey, guys, did I ever tell you about the time my girlfriend was shot execution style? Oh, it's a hoot!
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zVxTeflon posted:You are a weird dude if you think the thought of your girlfriend getting murdered is an entertaining story to tell strangers. I don't know about you guys but I was pretty entertained.
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Harry posted:Feel free to address why you think he'll actually do something, when you start off describing him as a liar. Because people can sometimes lie and sometimes not?
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Cthulu Carl posted:Hey, guys, did I ever tell you about the time my girlfriend was shot execution style? Oh, it's a hoot! She was low on the kill list (mid 20's), so I don't think he'd get to ger to be honest. It would be more like "Hey, guys, did I ever tell you about the time my girlfriend was in a school when a shooting went down!?" and it would be a hoot.
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BillNyeTheNaziSpy posted:Because people can sometimes lie and sometimes not? This kids lies about everything, but now he's making death threats so he must be telling the truth. I'll post on SA about it so I can say "called it!" when it happens.
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| # ? Mar 3, 2012 01:32 |
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I feel sorry for Andy. There are obviously zero adults in his life who give the slightest poo poo about him enough to get him some loving help.
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lidnsya posted:I feel sorry for Andy. There are obviously zero adults in his life who give the slightest poo poo about him enough to get him some loving help.
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| # ? Mar 3, 2012 01:36 |
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It's you, isn't it? You're really 'Andy', and this is a weird cry for help. At the worst place on the internet to receive such a thing.
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| # ? Mar 3, 2012 01:43 |
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Every "special vocational" school (or just school for troubled up kids) has these problems if not often worse. One of my old friends went to one (his family were recovering drug addict hippies) and they would constantly go to class drunk, get in fights, talk back to the teachers, and once he even threw a desk at the blackboard. Also they RARELY got suspended/expelled. Also he was white, if it makes OP or anyone else feel better. AND living in a middle class suburb. Trust me, some kid, who is a compulsive liar and suffers extreme forms of personality disorder and comes from a dysfunctional home is going to constantly threaten people all the time. Teachers have to take it with a huge grain of salt, and unfortunately YOU have to as well. I'm not a child psychologist but I mean when you deal with so many kids with sooooo many hosed up problems it's all you can do. I'm sure if they expelled every student who talks back and made threats there wouldn't even be a school and the local neighborhood would slowly rot away.
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Dirk Squarejaw posted:He once stole her bike before the threats started coming. I never knew bikes attracted African-Americans to steal them. Bike theft is a pre-cursor to threats. Threats acquire stains, the stains become a warning. It is by will alone I set my mind in motion. It is by the juice of sapho that thoughts acquire speed, the lips... cut to drive-by. Bicycles are the leading cause of drive-bys in America.
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