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QuoProQuid
Jan 12, 2012

by XyloJW


Saint Drogo posted:

Serious question now: have Fast Eddie and the gang ever made a concerted effort to clean up loathsome poo poo on their site that wasn't just an obvious response to those nasty goons laughing at them? Like, at all? I didn't follow the first two threads but I kind of doubt it. Fetish Fuel and Troper Tales would still be around if it wasn't for these threads and CrazyGoggs video, wouldn't they?

If I remember correctly he's gotten rid of a few pages like, I Am Not Making This Up and So Yeah which sparked a large backlash in the community. Some members accused him of overreacting and getting rid of 'fun' articles. There was a lot of complaining that TV Tropes would end up like Wikipedia.


I also believe he tried to clean up the mess that is Nightmare Fuel but failed miserably.

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Namtab
Feb 22, 2010

Here you go, buddy!

Oh god Yeah Bro just handed me the motherload. I was gonna do brilliant but lazy but that can loving wait because I have the archive to the creepiest troper tales ever.

Troper Tales: BROTHER SISTER INCEST posted:

This troper had a thing for his sister for a while, and even tried approaching her about it, but was (gently and without further consequence, amazingly enough!) turned down. He turned to his writings as an outlet, making a sister character for his blatant author-insertion character and pairing them off. It didn't make him feel any better, but he just happened to eventually grow up and get over it with time anyway. (He would still be totally up for that, but the fact that it's not going to happen happen doesn't haunt him, at least.) Those two characters have come quite a long way since then, becoming rather well-developed now despite their less-than-noble origins. Their stories are surprisingly popular—who knew Brother Sister Incest was such a popular theme in the Furry Fandom?—so it ultimately worked out. As a bizarre epilogue, his mother just read those stories (!!!) but seems to have somehow missed the subtext.

quote:

I recently heard from a friend (who I know to be very trustworthy) that two brothers I went to elementary school with were a product of brother sister incest. Now, I don't know where he heard it from, so it might not be true...but it would explain why one of them is retarded and the other one has deformed hands...
Rumours and ableism

quote:

This troper has an androgynous brother, who often took female roles for his theatre club (due to lack of female members). He was good at what he did, so much so that this troper often forgot that the pretty girl on stage was his brother and not someone to give a third arm salute to. For some inane reason that this troper cannot fathom, he asked his brother to be his date for the senior prom.
Did he take you?
Yes, and it was one of the most enjoyable nights of this troper's life. There are no therapists that can help with this.
There are no smileys that vomit hard enough and I'm barely into this page.

quote:

This 19 year-old troper and his 15 year-old sister are well... kinda more than siblings.
I don't think it could possibly get worse than this.

I KNOW THIS WAS CUT IN 2009 BUT THIS IS THE TVTROPES USERBASE IN ACTION!!

quote:

This Troper has long been very confused about her younger-but-more-mature-and-older-looking brother. She hates him. She hates him with a fiery passionate resentment that stems not only from that fact that he is far more attractive than her and a thousand times better at school and what their parents term 'real life', also from the fact she's been having wet dreams about him since he was tall enough to physically overshadow her. Plus she always seems to pick up that type when she feels like a guy - passes for older, but barely legal. She really, really hates that boy.
gently caress man this is the worst poo poo ever. Why would you ever allow a troper tales for this poo poo?

quote:

This troper has an older sister with a perhaps above average drive who on several occasions when they were younger initiated a few things (but not THAT far). This troper didn't resist though, and once their mother walked in on them and they both denied it. Unfortunately, male anatomy doesn't permit that sort of denial. Oh well. To his sister's credit, she made a point of regretting it when it happened earlier on which later turned into simply pretending it didn't happen but being clearly ashamed of it. But still, not cool.
I have no words.

quote:

This troper and his brother sometimes are very touchy...Sometimes, we have to share the bed, and well...It's weird, but I can't say I'm totally disagree...
Fast Eddie, you're like 50 or whatever, after seeing this on your site why not just shut the whole thing down, your userbase is broken and it has always been broken.

Ragnar Homsar
Apr 5, 2011

Do I look like 20 bucks or what?
"Or what?" is a good question.
But I feel the pipe is a bit much.


While we're on the topic of FE attempting to "clean up" TVT: wasn't there a lot of backlash when he locked the "Small Name Big Ego" page? I remember a lot of people got pissy about that and brought up the "WE'RE NOT WIKIPEDIA THESE PEOPLE DESERVE TO BE RIDICULED BY US TROPERS " argument.

General Panic
Jan 28, 2012
AN ERORIST AGENT


All attempts, collective and individual, to "clean up" the TVTropes wiki, have failed miserably because it's an impossible task to improve a wiki where, as fast as you edit out the crap, some idiot turns up to write some new crap. It ties in with "No Such Thing As Notability" and with the type of person attracted to the site by the weak moderation and the opportunity to obsess about fannish stuff.

Why do these dickholes write all this bullshit? Because TVTropes is run on principles that encourage the writing of bullshit and has a big neon sign on top saying "Dickholes Welcome."

/\/\/\

Troper Tales posted:

There are no therapists that can help with this.

No poo poo, son. Have you considered the honourable way out?

Olive Branch
May 26, 2010

There is no wealth like knowledge, no poverty like ignorance.


Furry Incest Guy posted:

This troper had a thing for his sister for a while, and even tried approaching her about it, but was (gently and without further consequence, amazingly enough!) turned down. He turned to his writings as an outlet, making a sister character for his blatant author-insertion character and pairing them off. It didn't make him feel any better, but he just happened to eventually grow up and get over it with time anyway. (He would still be totally up for that, but the fact that it's not going to happen happen doesn't haunt him, at least.) Those two characters have come quite a long way since then, becoming rather well-developed now despite their less-than-noble origins. Their stories are surprisingly popular—who knew Brother Sister Incest was such a popular theme in the Furry Fandom?—so it ultimately worked out. As a bizarre epilogue, his mother just read those stories (!!!) but seems to have somehow missed the subtext.
Jay Naylor? Is that you?

Roland Jones
Aug 18, 2011

i wasnt scared at all


Really, at this point Fast Eddie should probably either shut down TV Tropes or at least sever ties with it. He'll be happier and able to relax in the Bahamas and join a website that isn't full of terrible people and that he doesn't have to moderate even though he hates it (good grief that's a lot), and it'd force the terrible people of its userbase to head elsewhere and either get better or get flamed off the Internet (or make their own TVT, but where all the terrible stuff is not legally connected to old Ahab).

Also, I just realized that at least one of those Troper Tales admitted to statutory surprise sex of his little sister. That's just... Why did it take them so long to do anything about that part of the site?

Yeah Man
Oct 9, 2011

And if you had, you know, a huge killer robot at your command, yeah, that would just clutter things up; and a lesser person might want that kind of overwhelming force on their side, but you know - where's the challenge in that?


Roland Jones posted:

Also, I just realized that at least one of those Troper Tales admitted to statutory surprise sex of his little sister. That's just... Why did it take them so long to do anything about that part of the site?

What? WHAT?!

Lance Streetman
Feb 20, 2011

A parfait is a dessert, but it is also the French word for perfect.


Namtab posted:

Incest



Why. Why why why why why?

I just... I mean... Imagine if you showed some of this to their siblings. How would they react, knowing that their brothers or sisters had these kinds of feelings for them, but felt the internet had more of a right to know than they did?

Yeah Man posted:

What? WHAT?!

A creepy gently caress posted:

This 19 year-old troper and his 15 year-old sister are well... kinda more than siblings.

Saint Drogo
Dec 26, 2011


And once again I have to point out that this was a huge page that was on the site for loving ages with nobody lifting a finger, and that literally the only reason Fast Eddie felt the need to finally take action was because Something Awful started mocking it.

Yeah, goons are totally the bad guys!

Scorched Spitz
Dec 12, 2011


For the sake of my soul, I'm gonna pretend this is all just a pissing contest. I flat-out refuse to believe that anyone would want to gently caress their sibling, let alone be so candid about their feelings.

QuoProQuid
Jan 12, 2012

by XyloJW


Scorched Spitz posted:

For the sake of my soul, I'm gonna pretend this is all just a pissing contest. I flat-out refuse to believe that anyone would want to gently caress their sibling, let alone be so candid about their feelings.

Unfortunately, it is not. This seems to be a popular topic on the forums

Why is incest bad?

washington 213 posted:

So I keep getting into an argument with these people about sexuality, and they keep comparing it to incest. I can't think up a decent argument against incest that can't also be against things like homosexuality.

Parental Incest is easy enough to argue against, after all, one is in a position to easily coerce the other. But what of Brother-Sister Incest and Kissing Cousins?



pvtnum posted:

Oh look, this topic again. Is there some list of stuff to bring up every few months that I'm not privy to?

But to answer the question, I think genetics has something to do with it.

Commando Dude posted:

ohlookthisthreadagain.jpg

My stance on the fear and borderline hatred against incest remains the same, those people base their views in ignorance and irrationality.

This topic has come up more than...

Signed posted:

Title: Why is incest bad?

Answer: The same reason why Homosexuality is "bad".

While it's true that theres a higher chance of genetic mutations happening to the baby, the higher chance isn't all that higher than normal couples unless it's multi generational.

In general, most people who oppose incest use the exact same reason people who don't like homosexuality oppose it...it's purely cultural.

Also, the Westermarck Effect is not fully accepted. It's a theory, and as far as we know, it can not be scientifically proven.

Signed posted:

As probably mentioned before...scientific advancement pretty much trivialized any problems that are present. And as I mentioned previously, the increse in % is minimal, it's only multigenerational incest that starts to get problematic.

Yes, Signed, there are no significant problems that arise from incest. Thank you for backing up your statements with scientific studies. Incest is EXACTLY like LGBT rights.

SOMEONE SANE posted:

Ok out of curiosity folks keep mentioning studies that have refuted the genetic concern does anyone have links to that?

This post is of course ignored, so he makes another one a short while later.

SOMEONE SANE posted:

Again you folks saying genetic disorders are not problematic. You got something to site other then your opinions? Science already supports inbreeding causing issues for populations. Cheetahs anybody?

He gets a single sentence response, saying that Wikipedia has statistics but they are all biased and bad and blargh rargh yargh.

Namtab
Feb 22, 2010

Here you go, buddy!

Olive Branch posted:

Jay Naylor? Is that you?

Actually, that was asked

quote:

Your name wouldn't happen to be Jay Naylor, would it?
I said written stories, not a webcomic. Also, I'm nowhere near that famous, even if said stories were hits....

So we're looking for a guy who writes incest fanfic and people really loving love them

RyokoTK
Feb 12, 2012

It's official.


Scorched Spitz posted:

For the sake of my soul, I'm gonna pretend this is all just a pissing contest. I flat-out refuse to believe that anyone would want to gently caress their sibling, let alone be so candid about their feelings.

I was hoping for this too. You know how in all the Troper Tales for those weird spergy tropes like "Genius Bruiser" or whatever, people would post all of these really obviously made-up stories about themselves? I'm sure a significant proportion of these horrible sexual tales must be completely fabricated by people that want to fit in to this weirdo subculture because it will help them better fantasize about incest and unbirthing and I can't even finish that line of thought.

I'm hoping for that, anyway. There are low-level weirdos that want to fit in with the high-level "have actualized their surprise sex fetishes" weirdos by making up similarly horrible tales.

SIGSEGV
Nov 4, 2010


So. New thread. The OP mentions surprise sex murder porn webcomic pages. The people who didn't keep up probably want to see a few exemples of fiction that tropers enjoy and endorse.

Let me see.
Ero-guro-nansensu webcomic? yupyupypup.
surprise sex comic with its character page. Up.
A BDSM pornographic comic franchise centered around rough BDSM play, the beating and surprise sex of women. Up.
Furry porn webcomic. Up.
Bleedman classic. Up.
Bleedman classic. Also up.

Let's what else is around.
Mind control surprise sex archive? Ya.
"Impregnated then eaten alive from the inside out by Weedle." Yes.
Trope Pantheons: still up.

WeaponGradeSadness
Dec 27, 2010

The Napoleon of Crime


QuoProQuid posted:

Yes, Signed, there are no significant problems that arise from incest. Thank you for backing up your statements with scientific studies. Incest is EXACTLY like LGBT rights.

Well, of course there's no problems associated with inbreeding, just ask our old pal King Charles II of Spain!

Here's his family tree column:

And this had absolutely no ill effect on him, of course!


Wikipedia posted:

Charles II's genome was actually more homozygous than that of an average child whose parents are siblings. He was born physically and mentally disabled, and disfigured. Possibly through affliction with mandibular prognathism, he was unable to chew. His tongue was so large that his speech could barely be understood, and he frequently drooled...Not having learned to speak until the age of four nor to walk until eight, Charles was treated as virtually an infant until he was ten years old.

bobkatt013
Oct 8, 2006

Ever have one of those day?

Another example our good old friends the Julio-Claudian. Notice that this tree contains both Caligulia and Nero.

SIGSEGV
Nov 4, 2010


Of course there's also the problem of power relations inside a family but that would require a troper to acknowledge that rapes are crimes of power.

Mazzagatti2Hotty
Jan 23, 2012

JON JONES APOLOGIST #3


SIGSEGV posted:

So. New thread. The OP mentions surprise sex murder porn webcomic pages. The people who didn't keep up probably want to see a few exemples of fiction that tropers enjoy and endorse.

Let me see.
Ero-guro-nansensu webcomic? yupyupypup.
surprise sex comic with its character page. Up.
A BDSM pornographic comic franchise centered around rough BDSM play, the beating and surprise sex of women. Up.
Furry porn webcomic. Up.
Bleedman classic. Up.
Bleedman classic. Also up.

Let's what else is around.
Mind control surprise sex archive? Ya.
"Impregnated then eaten alive from the inside out by Weedle." Yes.
Trope Pantheons: still up.

While just the names of those are disturbing enough that I really don't really want to look at the links, I wouldn't say that just having pages means that TV Tropes endorse those things. I mean, wikipedia has a web page for the anime KissXSis, but I don't think that means wikipedia endorses incest porn.

Now if they're actually saying something along the lines of "This surprise sex furry guro porn is a great comic that you should check out" then yeah, gently caress them.

SIGSEGV
Nov 4, 2010


Mazzagatti2Hotty posted:

While just the names of those are disturbing enough that I really don't really want to look at the links, I wouldn't say that just having pages means that TV Tropes endorse those things. I mean, wikipedia has a web page for the anime KissXSis, but I don't think that means wikipedia endorses incest porn.

Now if they're actually saying something along the lines of "This surprise sex furry guro porn is a great comic that you should check out" then yeah, gently caress them.

Well of course it isn't for everyone but for us enlightened nerds who like good wholesome surprise sex it's perfect masturbation fodder.

E: Meat poo poo: the game. For all you gay meat making GBS threads fetishists out there.

Yeah Man
Oct 9, 2011

And if you had, you know, a huge killer robot at your command, yeah, that would just clutter things up; and a lesser person might want that kind of overwhelming force on their side, but you know - where's the challenge in that?


SIGSEGV posted:

Of course there's also the problem of power relations inside a family but that would require a troper to acknowledge that rapes are crimes

Fixed.

Benly
Aug 2, 2011

20% of the time, it works every time.



What weirds me out with this is that, unlike the other stuff in this list, this is a TVT page that isn't even about a work of fiction. It's about an archive and applies things like "Color Coded For Your Convenience" (supposedly the trope about giving different characters distinct color themes to make them easy to tell apart) to the archive literally color-coding its entries by type. Or "Het Is Ew: Averted" for the archive having more hetero porn than same-sex porn. They are trying to apply narrative trope labels to non-narrative web-page structure.

I don't even care what kind of porn they're into, it's the fact that they're literally trying to apply tropes to a filing system that makes me cringe.

Lance Streetman
Feb 20, 2011

A parfait is a dessert, but it is also the French word for perfect.


Mazzagatti2Hotty posted:

While just the names of those are disturbing enough that I really don't really want to look at the links, I wouldn't say that just having pages means that TV Tropes endorse those things. I mean, wikipedia has a web page for the anime KissXSis, but I don't think that means wikipedia endorses incest porn.

Now if they're actually saying something along the lines of "This surprise sex furry guro porn is a great comic that you should check out" then yeah, gently caress them.

Well, let's think about this. Without even reading it (I'm very familiar with Angel Corps. already, I don't care to know more), the first page he linked is at least twice as long as the page for They Live. John Carpenters Sci-Fi/Horror masterpiece requires less attention and less love than a porn comic about killing women.

Think about that.

QuoProQuid
Jan 12, 2012

by XyloJW


WeaponGradeSadness posted:

Well, of course there's no problems associated with inbreeding, just ask our old pal King Charles II of Spain!

Here's his family tree column:

Psh, you and your silly facts.

He looks like a sex god to me.

Chaltab
Feb 16, 2011

So shocked someone got me an avatar!


Destroy all Tropers

quote:

And therein lies one of the problems with the story. All it's emotional power comes from its portrayal of Derpy as the perfect woobie: she suffers so beautifully. Yet some may find this emotionally manipulative on some level, because the story also denies Derpy any agency. She is totally incapable of understanding what is happening to her or that her mother is horribly abusing her. She simply suffers. ...

Either way, definitely worth the read.

Yeah Man
Oct 9, 2011

And if you had, you know, a huge killer robot at your command, yeah, that would just clutter things up; and a lesser person might want that kind of overwhelming force on their side, but you know - where's the challenge in that?


Chaltab posted:

Destroy all Tropers

Is...is that a review for a MLP fanfic?

TinTower
Apr 21, 2010

You don't have to 8e a good person to 8e a hero.


Saint Drogo posted:

Looks like the tropers are back to ing this thread already.


You're welcome, guys.

Serious question now: have Fast Eddie and the gang ever made a concerted effort to clean up loathsome poo poo on their site that wasn't just an obvious response to those nasty goons laughing at them? Like, at all? I didn't follow the first two threads but I kind of doubt it. Fetish Fuel and Troper Tales would still be around if it wasn't for these threads and CrazyGoggs video, wouldn't they?

TVTropes Goes Fourth: Spanking is bad but child porn is a-okay!

cock hero flux
Apr 17, 2011
Tell me to shut the fuck up.

Chaltab posted:

Destroy all Tropers

What the gently caress is this? Why am I reading it? gently caress tropers burn everything salt the earth so that nothing will ever grow again.

BitterCharisma
Feb 28, 2012


Chaltab posted:

Destroy all Tropers

Of course they would want their gently caress horse to be completely docile doormat for them to surprise sex. Tropers are not only the sickest of fetishists but they are also cowardly bastards as well. Just look at the nightmare fuel page and you'll know what I mean.

Tropers would make a good ace in the hole for the eugenic movement.

Edit: For using Ableist language.

Bilal
Feb 20, 2012



Mazzagatti2Hotty posted:

But India passed over our glorious American made fighter jets to buy from some commie European countries!! This rejection of American supremacy in all things must be nothing less than a declaration of war! /conservatroper

On the subject of that, could we please try to refrain from stereotyping all tropers as right wing dipshits? I'm to the right but dress properly and am not a pedophile, misogynist or surprise sex apologist. Let's accept the fact that a person can be terrible regardless of where they fall on the political spectrum (but if a person is a troper, they're always terrible.)

Don't get me wrong, everyone please continue to ridicule Civilian Tom and the like because they all have terrible opinions and have no idea what they're talking about.

Chaltab
Feb 16, 2011

So shocked someone got me an avatar!


Don't make the thread about you and your politics. You will get probated for that.

Namtab
Feb 22, 2010

Here you go, buddy!

Nobody cares what your politics are dude.

efb

The Triumphant
Sep 2, 2011

Yeah, I've seen Robocop. Bitches, leave.

Mazzagatti2Hotty posted:

While just the names of those are disturbing enough that I really don't really want to look at the links, I wouldn't say that just having pages means that TV Tropes endorse those things. I mean, wikipedia has a web page for the anime KissXSis, but I don't think that means wikipedia endorses incest porn.

Now if they're actually saying something along the lines of "This surprise sex furry guro porn is a great comic that you should check out" then yeah, gently caress them.

They basically are though. That first guro comic-- the one that features women being dismembered and their severed heads used as sex toys --used to have notes on its page pointing out that some people might find it offensive and that it was morally questionable. These comments were removed.

There's also quotes like:

quote:

Nevertheless, the comic is pretty much a compilation of Dave's best qualities, and shows some impressive backgrounds aside from his well-known top-notch quality in drawing the characters .

quote:

Bittersweet Ending - Your Mileage May Vary since the sole purpose of the comics is to send these characters to death as you wish by commissioning. Naturally, your feelings toward their deaths may go from depression to lust.

quote:

No Dead Body Poops - Played for the sake of the comics, according to Dave. However, in the majority of the deaths, they eventually let some yellow juice come out.

Lady of the Beech
Dec 15, 2011

I clearly just want to be a good friend and bring all my AMAZING FRIENDLINESS to bear on your problems.

The other day I was talking with somebody about how the wiki aims to be family friendly, and that efforts are being made to clean up the dark filthy corners of the wiki. I really want to believe him, but after looking through some of the stuff shared in this thread today I simply can't.

Here is the alleged "family friendly" policy by the way.

TV Tropes posted:

We shoot for 'family friendly' at TV Tropes.

What does that mean? A couple of things. First, The thing we are marking as "mature content" is our article, not the work the article is about. We can talk about literature (media, that is) which is racy. We just can't be the racy literature.

For example, we can have an article about a hentai, as long as we don't get into details about specific racy bits. Describing the work as being "a hentai with a lesbian emphasis", for example, would be okay. Details about what these lesbians do for each other during sex would not be okay.

The second component of "family friendly" is the so-called 'cuss' words.

Look, there is almost always a funnier way to say whatever you'd like to say than just by dumping a bunch of shock-value words out there. If your imagination is failing you to the extent that you need more than one cuss word on a page, you should just back off for a while and let your brain come back on line. We'd actually be a better source of humor with just one cuss word per hundred pages.

The third and last component of family friendliness is pictures. It's real easy. No naked people, thanks. Readers who are wondering what a naked person might look like can just check out the rest of the Internet.

Totally not the racy literature.

Totally not the racy literature at all. (By the way, the girl in the index picture is 14-15 years old, and I know that from browsing the characters index for that series on tvtropes itself.)

Mister Morn
Feb 9, 2012

THUNDERDOME LOSER

Lady of the Beech posted:

The other day I was talking with somebody about how the wiki aims to be family friendly, and that efforts are being made to clean up the dark filthy corners of the wiki. I really want to believe him, but after looking through some of the stuff shared in this thread today I simply can't.

Here is the alleged "family friendly" policy by the way.

"No, TVTropes, you are the racy literature."

Of course, the problem with that parody quote is calling TVTropes literature.

Mazzagatti2Hotty
Jan 23, 2012

JON JONES APOLOGIST #3


Bittersweet Ending posted:

Naturally, your feelings toward their deaths may go from depression to lust.

Mazzagatti2Hotty posted:

then yeah, gently caress them.

Thanks for that. How long does it normally take for a person's benefit of the doubt instinct to get thoroughly beaten out of them by this thread?

Namtab
Feb 22, 2010

Here you go, buddy!

I'll be fair and remind you all that the incest troper tales were cut sometime between 2009 and 2010.

But then I'll ruin that by mentioning that TVTropes was created in like 2004 or some poo poo, plus I'm pretty sure poo poo like that was only taken down to keep money coming in as opposed to any real moral stance.

quote:

(By the way, the girl in the index picture is 14-15 years old, and I know that from browsing the characters index for that series on tvtropes itself.)
I'm laughing at this because I'm a huge weeaboo (her name is index) but I'm crying because tropers love sexualised 15 year olds

i hate meatloaf
May 22, 2010


Namtab posted:

Troper Incest poo poo


What the gently caress!? Why is incest so goddamn popular in nerd circles? Is this another lonely, creepy nerd response where they attach themselves to the only people who interact with them?

And that first troper tale, why would he show his incest furry fanfic, in which the main characters are based on him and his sister, to his mother? There are so many things completely wrong about this poo poo, I can't deal with it right now. I really doubt his family is cool with this or didn't notice; mostly likely he just lacks the awareness and/or empathy to see or care about their discomfort.

Scorched Spitz
Dec 12, 2011


The mere fact that smoking sack of poo poo Signed lasted more than a day is proof enough that nothing about the site is salvageable.

Namtab
Feb 22, 2010

Here you go, buddy!

i hate meatloaf posted:

What the gently caress!? Why is incest so goddamn popular in nerd circles? Is this another lonely, creepy nerd response where they attach themselves to the only people who interact with them?

I'm guessing most people who wank to incest don't have siblings

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BitterCharisma
Feb 28, 2012


Namtab posted:

I'm guessing most people who wank to incest don't have siblings

Tropers natural inclination towards hosed up fetishes and the second geek falacy to sex.

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