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Benne posted:Here's the entire collection of MCAC riffs: DoctorWhat posted:It's ONE PIECE of troper fiction, but it's all you'll ever want and far too much more. It's in the OP: "Anime is the ties that bind us". Don't read it, but it's exactly what you're looking for and the criticism and humor is great. Still, stay away. Thank you. 
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Does google know they're planning on click-fraud? Also, they claim to be setting a zazzle referrer cookie. Are they setting an Amazon one, too? ed: Dragon Quest Z posted:I made the picture for Can-Crushing Cranium, so that is free to use.  They violate copyright with gay abandon on the rest of the site, why not just screencap the scene from Animal House? ed2: We're compliant with the letter of the law! Big T posted:We followed Google's policies to the letter last time. There is no way we are actually violating anything now unless they deliberately changed their policies to gently caress with their sites. Our primary goal should be to stop enabling them. ed3:  Pleeeease let me have my kiddy porn back!Shaoken posted:Out of interest, what happens if it turns out that this was a screw up by Google and we weren't in the wrong? Do we just undo all the changes or what? Why do they have a comparative index of just how superpowered you are? Is their site/forum slow as balls for anyone else, too? Holy shitballs - defending pokegirls! feotakahari posted:^^ Actually, Pokegirls isn't in the same category as Angels Corps, since it's a Shared Universe. Every once in a while, someone takes the setting's sexist assumptions head-on, a bit like how the better writers in the Star Wars Expanded Universe often challenge that setting's painfully stupid metaphysics.
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Antivehicular posted:I was thinking about this at work (I have a pretty boring job), and as far as I can see, there's really only one way the "adult" sections of TVT are salvageable at this point: locked editing to a select group of wiki users chosen for their writing skill, focus on analysis over example spamming, and, well, a level of discretion that they'd certainly describe as prudishness. Heavily controlled editing and enforcement of taste and sense on the articles is about the only way I can see them being saved... of course, that does all require that editors capable of the task still be active on TVT, and I very much doubt that's the case. The internet makes arseholes of us all, Tropers. That's why it's important to get out of your cellar and interact with normal people occasionally, but when you think they're all Jerk Jocks and Libbies it's so much easier to stay on the net, get trapped in the hugbox death spiral and before you know it you've normalized yourself into thinking lovely perv tropes have nothing to do with anything in the real world and anyone who thinks drooling over anime preteens is creepy is a prudish troll who hates FREE SPEECH.
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oldpainless posted:gently caress, TV Tropes is an ugly site. And I mean that literally, as in aesthetically displeasing to the eye. I never really noticed the page layout of SA until recently when I went to TVTropes and was immediately stricken by how loving ugly it is. poo poo looks off all-center, lots of little things I can't put into words but my brain/eyes register it as just bad-looking. Maybe someone else can articulate it. Oh God yes. All the poorly-designated little tabs, the whole "giant lumpen block of examples at the bottom of the page" standard layout, the history view... honestly, is this poo poo proprietary? Because I've never seen a canned wiki laid out as badly or as inexplicably as TVT. A huge showboat wiki with a top-level domain shouldn't be worse to navigate and look at than your average slapped-together fan Wikia, but somehow TVT finds a way.
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Antivehicular posted:Oh God yes. All the poorly-designated little tabs, the whole "giant lumpen block of examples at the bottom of the page" standard layout, the history view... honestly, is this poo poo proprietary? Because I've never seen a canned wiki laid out as badly or as inexplicably as TVT. A huge showboat wiki with a top-level domain shouldn't be worse to navigate and look at than your average slapped-together fan Wikia, but somehow TVT finds a way. Because Fast Eddie is a godawful programmer.
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Their ignorance is incredible at this point; they've basically documented ways people can be raped and there has been outright paedophilic content featured on the site, and they think the onus is on everybody else to accommodate them. It's the same attitude that convinces them these threads are replete with fabrications and cherry-picking. When I saw the previous thread it was an eye-opener and eventually I departed the site. Many of those who remain cannot see past the criticism, which I suppose is because they do so much to discourage criticism and paint it as a totally negative thing.
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So judging from the last few pages, Fast Eddie found out about the surprise sex Tropes, shrieked and wanted them gone (because $), but "gone" means "given cursory glances by tropers, and the relevant pages be renamed to make things more ambiguous, but ultimately are still surprise sex tropes". Anything I'm missing so far? E: The surprise sex Rename thread ("if I had sex with you without your consent, it will not be surprise sex if neither of us call it surprise sex", apparently) highlighted a particular user called Chaotic Dreams. Chaotic Dreams created/contributed heavily to the following pages: quote:Angel Devil Shipping E2: Willbyr (a mod) posted:We have pages for all kinds of negative tropes besides just surprise sex; singling them out is just being pedantic. If it exists as a trope, it's the wiki's job to catalogue it, except for the two issues that Eddie has deemed off limits. Our job right now is to neutralize the bad ones as much as we can.
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Willbyr posted:We have pages for all kinds of negative tropes besides just surprise sex; singling them out is just being pedantic. If it exists as a trope, it's the wiki's job to catalogue it, except for the two issues that Eddie has deemed off limits. Our job right now is to neutralize the bad ones as much as we can. Well, here's the problem. It's not really a trope at all, is it?
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A couple of things. One, perpetual virgins should not be considered authorities on anything sex-related. Two, everything is a goddamn trope according to your ridiculous wiki.
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In any other place nobody would list ways to surprise sex people tropes, but tvtropes? "No notability" apparently also means "no standards (moral/quality/legal/religious/humane)" Just look at that list of tropes done by Chaotic Dreams. Just look at them. Most of them can fall under a hypothetical "abusing a person" entry, but they have painstakingly gone through every way of how to hurt a person and listed them out for their own entry, so they can link their favourite I'm sorry, this is rather prudish is it? Carry on raping, tropers.
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| # ? Apr 7, 2012 10:23 |
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A big issue is that the people doing most of the reading are those who like the perverted path the wiki's been on; the other issue is that the troper disdain for analysis is what will fundamentally undo the site. Tropers cannot read between the lines, whether in works or in their own wiki. They don't see that having a nigh-endless lists of ways to harm people is, in itself, a little worrying; they read the pages, and don't see an issue with long lists of examples about ways to harm people. It's nice to see how it all ties together.
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The Saddest Rhino posted:
Speaking of "abuse", check out how many torture "tropes" TV Tropes has catalogued in loving detail: http://tvtropes.org/pmwiki/pmwiki.php/Main/ATorturedIndex posted:
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Fringe Benefits posted:[...]the wiki is full of creepers and perverts. Everybody has fetishes. Everybody. One person likes Naughty Tentacles, and one person likes crossdressing. Who gets to decide what is and isn't creepy, and where does the line get drawn? If everyone is a creeper, no one is a creeper! 
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The line gets drawn at the point where your parents start debating whether to take you to the loony bin or the precinct.
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Hey so the new iPad app Paper is pretty amazing. I CAN ART NOW   Fairly sure goons did not do such a thing. PS I am poo poo at shading, even lazerbot is better. PPS Seriously I wish this existed when I was writing about The Girl Who Thinks She's Married to Sai Baba, this app is loving fantastic
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God, even their lovely merchandise is lovely. I mean, I know nerds will pay 30 bucks for a shirt with a faded Batman logo on it and everything, but 20 bucks for a plain white tee that says "vigilante taxonomist" on it under the TVTropes logo? They want 40 dollars for the hoodies and they don't even have the drat logo on them! Everything these people do is so shallow. Like, they can't even make decent poo poo to sell.  "We need to make some money, quick! Hey, if every other website can have t-shirts, so can we! Go find one of those custom shirt sites and slap some trope names on shirts with some boring rear end font and call it a day. Better yet, don't even use trope names, just make up some stupid crap."Like, you can't even get something like "My other shirt is a Badass Longcoat" or whatever? gently caress, why not a shirt for every God damned trope? Wear your favourite surprise sex trope on a hoodie! Their loving MUGS are 20 bucks! For a mug! I'll admit this is the first time I've ever heard of zazzle before, and I know these shirt printing sites are expensive. But this is just another example of the sheer mediocrity that tropers exhibit and revel in on a daily basis. The site's in the red, the money is needed now, and this is their best work.  They seriously want $18.95 for this poo poo. No sense of aesthetics. What the hell is going on with the logo in this one? Is it a printing error or did someone plan to have it there?  e: sourced the link to their shop with 13 things in it.
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Leofish posted:
I'm an actual taxonomist by training and day job, which is why I'm fully qualified to call this thing a piece of poo poo.
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Bad Bromance posted:Source your quotes please  From now on, source your quotes or else be banned as if you are the one saying them. I can't tell if Zotwoz is quoting or serious 
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Wiki clean up!Hershele Ostropoler posted:By documenting something, there is an implication that TVT is accepting the behaviour Yes, by all means that is a reasonable position. It's not as if historians are trained to do what they do, or spend time actually analysing or commenting on history in an educated fashion. Also I love the comparison of Mai-Chan to The Turner Diaries. One is a hate manifesto that has been cited as being responsible for actual crimes and events that actually happened in real life. The other is anime torture porn. Try to guess which one is which! And while the pure documentation of tropes isn't an endorsement on its own, lists of examples, some of them written in a gushing or praising tone, does imply a level of endorsement by at least the editor who added the example. But since the wiki doesn't show you right on the main page who wrote what, everything on the page is endorsed by the wiki just for continuing to be there.
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Leofish posted:And while the pure documentation of tropes isn't an endorsement on its own, lists of examples, some of them written in a gushing or praising tone, does imply a level of endorsement by at least the editor who added the example. But since the wiki doesn't show you right on the main page who wrote what, everything on the page is endorsed by the wiki just for continuing to be there. But since TVTropes regards thought, analysis, comment or debate as outside their remit all you get is a list that basically comes over as "Hey! You beat off to this particular kind of surprise sex fantasy? Here's a list of anime with it in! No, don't thank us, just wank yourself stupid!" *more than "that's hot!" or "that happened to me, well, an aversion of it did at least and it was so cool LOOK AT ME!" at least.
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Leofish posted:God, even their lovely merchandise is lovely. I mean, I know nerds will pay 30 bucks for a shirt with a faded Batman logo on it and everything, but 20 bucks for a plain white tee that says "vigilante taxonomist" on it under the TVTropes logo? Like, Bioware gets away selling its shirts for $25, but they put a ton of crap on them. Sharkrobot seems to have a hard maximum price for tees at $17.95, and those are with fairly large logos. But $19 for a white shirt with fairly small text? Hell, CafePress might charge $20-$30 but at least those have large logos. The mug prices are unforgivable. As a mug-lover, I love coffee mugs. I know when prices are scams. Valve's store charges $15 for a large mug (16-ish ounces), $10 for small mugs (8 ounces). Bioware charges $12 for their regular-sized mugs. CafePress charges $15 for a small, $18 for a large, and $25 for a travel mug. Now, the worst thing about the TV Tropes mug is it defaults to the third most expensive mug on the page. You can get it down to a semi-reasonable $14 for a small mug or $16 for a small, color customized mug. But that may be an option someone took consciously, to have the page direct to a loving unreasonable price.
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Leofish posted:No sense of aesthetics. What the hell is going on with the logo in this one? Is it a printing error or did someone plan to have it there? Oh I get it, the horrible use of the logo is supposed to be ironic!  Seriously, I wonder how much revenue Also, from the "Embarassing" [sic] "crap on the wiki" thread: shimaspawn posted:It's basically the two click rule. All pages on the wiki must be at least two clicks away from Explicit Content. Psyga 315 posted:So... perhaps the solution is to add some more curtains? It's exactly like Lance's art. : Cover up the child surprise sex porn with curtains! That'll get Google off our backs!
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I was loving this thread until I found this gem here on our own little bastion of good taste in a thread talking about Robert Jordan's Wheel of Time series. It's not so much attacking that series that bugs me. It's the blanket statement about all of literature. Almost seems like a trope.Stuporstar posted:This. Writers who are not perving do not mention breasts at all when talking about a woman doing something completely non-sexual. TVTropes is not the only place that hyper sexualizes everything.
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Inyourbase posted:I was loving this thread until I found this gem here on our own little bastion of good taste in a thread talking about Robert Jordan's Wheel of Time series. It's not so much attacking that series that bugs me. It's the blanket statement about all of literature. Almost seems like a trope. Are you calling someone out for being ignorant and not being banned? Can you debate at all without using surprise sex Is Love and Bad rear end Long Coat as indisputable evidence? Yes? Then you're not on tvtrope.
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Urdnot Fire posted:It's exactly like Lance's art. I was going to draw curtains on top of curtains, but my MS paint skills aren't good enough to do that. So have a visualization of them renaming the surprise sex tropes instead. 
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Lance Streetman posted:I was going to draw curtains on top of curtains, but my MS paint skills aren't good enough to do that. So have a visualization of them renaming the surprise sex tropes instead. They're way ahead of you. raso posted:Could surprise sex Tropes use a new name? I could see that, but that is not it. Sexual Harassment Tropes maybe? This is far more entertaining than it has any right to be.
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Lance Streetman posted:I was going to draw curtains on top of curtains, but my MS paint skills aren't good enough to do that. So have a visualization of them renaming the surprise sex tropes instead. Nicely done again. Anais Nun posted:They're way ahead of you. : The NAME is all Google doesn't like! This way we can keep our preciouses safe from the nasty tricksy prudes!
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Inyourbase posted:I was loving this thread until I found this gem here on our own little bastion of good taste in a thread talking about Robert Jordan's Wheel of Time series. It's not so much attacking that series that bugs me. It's the blanket statement about all of literature. Almost seems like a trope. Hahaha. "I don't get feminism and the concept of sexual objectification (also, I don't get hyperbole). It must be a trope! Right guys?"
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Curtains on top of curtains. It's curtains all the way down.
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They could do like SA and just put wordfilters to hide things from advertisers. Surprise Sex Tropes. Magical Friend of the family. Jerk Rear End.
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SIGSEGV posted:They could do like SA and just put wordfilters to hide things from advertisers. Oh Poo Poo
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SIGSEGV posted:They could do like SA and just put wordfilters to hide things from advertisers.
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Inyourbase posted:I was loving this thread until I found this gem here on our own little bastion of good taste in a thread talking about Robert Jordan's Wheel of Time series. It's not so much attacking that series that bugs me. It's the blanket statement about all of literature. Almost seems like a trope. If we are going to call people tropers, you seem to fit the description. At least if this post is anything to go by.
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Runcible Cat posted:A chance for Eddie to show off his l33t c0d1ng sk1llz!
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Inyourbase posted:I was loving this thread until I found this gem here on our own little bastion of good taste in a thread talking about Robert Jordan's Wheel of Time series. It's not so much attacking that series that bugs me. It's the blanket statement about all of literature. Almost seems like a trope. No dude. Every word in a novel is deliberate. At least in a published novel that's gone through some editing. Writers redraft and rewrite so often that by the time it becomes a finished product, every word has a reason for being there. If a writer is going "breasts breasts breasts" then he is doing so in order to call attention to breasts. If he is calling attention to it in a context where breasts serve no purpose to the scene, then he is doing so because he really just wants to write about some breasts. Which kinda is sexualizing something. Just as if I were to write about a man: "as he strode down the corridor his penis shifted in his drawers with every step". The state of his dick's got nothing to do with his walking anywhere. I could have removed that reference and nothing about the scene would have changed, except you wouldn't have read about some stranger's tool I wanted you to read about. Because maybe I just love writing dick.
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"Catbert posted:My bosses have no issues with personal web browsing during break times, but there are filters to prevent viewing certain types of websites on work computers. TV Tropes doesn't cause any problems. How on Earth does TVTropes miss being in every filterset on the planet, yet SA does?
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CommanderCoffee posted:Like, Bioware gets away selling its shirts for $25, but they put a ton of crap on them. Sharkrobot seems to have a hard maximum price for tees at $17.95, and those are with fairly large logos. But $19 for a white shirt with fairly small text? Hell, CafePress might charge $20-$30 but at least those have large logos. I have a hard time justifying Bioware's prices even, but at least those shirts have interesting or unique artwork. Bioware's shirts are geeky, but the TOR class ones look kind of interesting. If I was going to plunk down 20 bucks for a funky t-shirt, I'd go with Enclothe myself. Tropers, once again, have proven they have no understanding of what makes an item interesting or sellable. The Tropers who put these things up on the web aren't even buying them. One of them was talking about how it has to be unique and attention grabbing, but also invokes curiosity about TVTropes. What they've got ain't that. But what do you expect from a bunch of talentless hacks who consider themselves "ideas men"? They've got a thread about merchandise for "keeping the wiki alive." Near as I can tell it's been tropers freaking out over possibly having to pay for avatars. It's where we found out that one guy has loving 7000 of them. After 10 pages of stupid avatar derail nonsense, Madrugada has a great idea. Madrugada posted:Ok, on merch besides Avvies: TVTROPES PLUSHIES! Can you imagine? Can you imagine the horror? First of all, you're basically being asked to start up your own plushie selling business for the good of TVTropes. Why not just set up a plushie selling business for yourself and keep all the profits? Second, plushies of what? Mills College Anime Club? Third, tropers refuse to buy the stuff they make, they expect everyone else to buy their crap. I can't see them buying-- Wait. Sorry. I forgot who we're dealing with here. TVTropes is the website that brought us THIS (which is still sitting there active in the Fetishes thread, by the way): chocoboxxx posted:Ugh this is so wrong and disgusting but I have to get it off my chest. OK so everyone who read the Troper Covens forum knows I'm a furry. I don't really have any other fetishes than that or so I thought. Maybe plushies are the way to go.
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Leofish posted:Like, you can't even get something like "My other shirt is a Badass Longcoat" or whatever? gently caress, why not a shirt for every God damned trope? Wear your favourite surprise sex trope on a hoodie! I'd hate to say this, but if someone embroidered rhinestones into a long-coat that said Badass Longcoat on the back, akin to that Jim Carrey sketch as Vanilla Ice on In Living Color, that would be a seller right there.
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Holy poo poo, TV Tropes is collapsing right in front of our very eyes and I am loving it. This whole series of threads feels like one of those Grimm fairy tales, with TV Tropes suffering a slow and painful death because of their refusal to adhere to the moral of the story and follow common human decency. Eddie has burned his kingdom down to the ground in trying to protect his castle, only to discover that his servants and noblemen not only are too flaky to put the fire out, but are willing to use the king as tribute to the fire gods to keep their temporary refuge safe. God I loving love Google.
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Inyourbase posted:I was loving this thread until I found this gem here on our own little bastion of good taste in a thread talking about Robert Jordan's Wheel of Time series. It's not so much attacking that series that bugs me. It's the blanket statement about all of literature. Almost seems like a trope. I notice you were in the fandom lunacy thread getting all upset over the exact same thing. Are you on a crusade to rescue the dignity of perverse fantasy authors or something?
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