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Jack's Flow
Jun 6, 2003

What happen then, Mr Bones?
if be you cares to say.


To the 6'4" guy... once you got the dunking part down, make a point to never dunk in a pick up game with random dudes. The chance that one of the guys is one of those undercutting assholes is really, really high. And you don't want to experience that on a concrete court.

Also, as a general advice: working on your off-hand is a really good way to get better. I shoot with my right hand, but finish 90% of all shots around the rim with the left. Confuses the poo poo out of defenders.

Jack's Flow fucked around with this message at Mar 11, 2012 around 05:46

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Declan MacManus
Sep 1, 2011



stephelopholus posted:

I don't recommend doing or even learning it. It is lazy defense and makes it so your teammates are picking up your slack.

I love it when I know the guy is doing this because he is going to let me go by him. All I have to do is switch hands real quick right after I get by him or pick up my dribble on a hopstep or jumper. It is a free pass to the middle of the lane.

It's called matador defense and it's the worst.

For people looking for shooting drills: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hMlN-_OuNnY

Vladimir Putin
Mar 17, 2007
Pardon me sir, would you like to have some Polonium ?

BigLeafyTree posted:

Sup tiny hands buddy , my hands are smaller than guys I know who are a full 6 inches shorter than I am. It is so weird for me to read about guys who are 6'0 being the smallest guy on the court. I feel so small.

Does anyone have any tips for going for steals? I know the basic 'wait for their crossover with your hand out', and just being low and ready will let you get a few off of mistakes but is there more to it? I've seen guys do this reach around steal as someone is driving by them and I don't know how to replicate it.

I sometimes do this when I'm bored and the guy that I am guarding is slow. I let him go by me on my left and from behind I slap the ball away with my right hand in an up to down motion. Like I'm trying to do a strip. I don't attempt this move if the ball handler knows what he is doing or I actually expect consistent results. In other words I do it when I don't care.

ChuckNade376
Mar 12, 2008

MOTHERFUCKER. It is going to happen.


Is there a proper etiquette for off ball screens?
I like to set a screen under the basket for shooters to run through to get a shot off in the corner. It allows me to box out and get set for the rebound as well as get a potential easy basket if the try to switch on the screen and gently caress it.

We take our basketball serious at Murray State, the state of Kentucky in general.

Also we usually play to 12, by 1's and 2's.

Regnevelc
Jan 12, 2003

I'M A GROWN ASS MAN!

Screen away, why wouldn't you? Just because it's pickup doesn't mean the fundamentals of a good game aren't there.

We screen all of the time.. granted, we're a bunch of white boys from Indiana.

stephelopholus
Feb 24, 2011


Regnevelc posted:

We screen all of the time.. granted, we're a bunch of white boys from Indiana.

Illinois guy here that used to play a lot in Indiana (I grew up on the Illinois/Indiana border). I just moved to the North West and basketball isn't the same here. Very disappointed so far. I haven't played in any games that I would say were good basketball.

R.D. Mangles
Jan 10, 2004


Yeah, the best way to play pickup is to find a group of folks to play with consistently that you know are not complete knuckleheads. I know I play way better with my buddies than just a bunch of randoms because we all know where we like the ball and move around without the ball and make passes and will actually pass me the ball when I'm wide open instead of playing one on five hero ball while everyone just stands around and tries to get the inevitable rebound. More importantly, I like playing with my buddies because I know they're not assholes and don't take things way too seriously.

dudemanbudguy
Jan 2, 2008
guybudmandude

Awesome idea for a thread. I play pick up probably about twice a week. I have a few things to add.

Learn how to throw a pass. Nothing will make your team mates like you more than throwing some good passes. Try to realize what's going on in the game, who's cutting, and what your team mates tendencies are. Halfcourt games get really bogged down so if you can learn to pass to people cutting or off screens (or even better, in transition) you will typically win. Besides, absolutely nothing in the world feels better than making an incredible pass.

Also, stay in good shape and play in transition. I'm 5'9 130 pounds, quick, and a good ball handler, so as soon as I'm done defending, if I'm on the perimeter, I jet towards the basket. If you play with good passers in transition or just people that can identify what is happening you can run teams off the court in transition. Master the eurostep because it's killer when you're attacking in transition.

Play defense too, because steals and blocks lead to transition offense which is the easiest offense you're going to find.

If you are driving to the hop people will almost always buy on fakes. If you want your team mates to love you set them up with easy lay ups by driving, pulling their defender with a fake, and then passing around them. People are usually so aggressive trying to get blocks or steals that it works every time.

I want to reiterate what others have said as well... learn your strengths and play to them. There is nothing worse than playing with a big dude that jacks up threes and tries to be Steve Nash.


BigLeafyTree posted:

For anyone just starting out or just getting back into playing pickup, the best thing you can do is work on your stamina. When you're tired you react slower, move slower, make more stupid mistakes, and your technique sucks. If you have better endurance, you can run around constantly, push the pace, and force the other team to keep up with you. If they get tired then they start making dumb mistakes, they react slower etc etc etc.

This is so spot on it should be in the first post. If you get tired you react slower and and make a ton more mistakes. Forcing yourself to run nonstop up and down the court is great for your health as well as winning basketball games.

BIZORT posted:



General tip for others: When you warm up, don't just start shooting from 20 feet out. Put some shots up from close in and gradually work your way out. Your shot will thank you later on.

I do this every time I play pick up and it is amazing how great it is. If I start out doing this I can hit almost 75% of my opens shots, including long threes. It just perfects your shooting form.

dudemanbudguy fucked around with this message at Mar 11, 2012 around 17:49

Inudeku
Jul 13, 2008


Anybody have tips on how to not airball constantly? I use my legs, I practice and use proper form, but im all right on the money.... except its short. Is it just a case of practicing more?

jyrka
Jan 21, 2005


Potato Count: 2 small potatoes


Aim at the back of the rim, shoot closer, jump higher, be stronger.

streetlamp
May 7, 2007

Danny likes his party hat
He does not like his banana hat

Try aiming at the back of the rim

e: /\ beat

BigLeafyTree
Oct 21, 2010



Can someone write some words in injury prevention and treatment? I'm thinking specifically of the more common ones like jammed fingers, rolled ankles, cramps, sprains, busted knees, ACL fuckery, broken bones and concussions.

To contribute, the two most common pickup injuries are probably jammed fingers and rolled ankles. Jammed fingers is when your finger is bent backwards suddenly, past what's comfortable. It usually happens when either catching a pass badly or reaching for a steal. Treatment: RICE. That's Rest, Ice, Compression, Elevation. Take it easy, ice it for 15 minutes every hour or so for the first day or two, keep pressure on it if you can (snug bandage), and keep it above your heart level. The purpose of RICE is to reduce swelling and increase recovery speed.

Rolling your ankle is when you hyperextend your ankle by rolling it towards the inside or outside. Outside is more common and less serious. It usually happens when you accidentally step on another players foot or when you lose your footing unexpectedly. Treatment: RICE again. A snug sock and lying down while keeping your foot on a cushion helps a lot. Even when you think you're fine and it feels good you might want to stay away from playing until the swelling is completely gone. I managed to roll the same ankle twice in a week and got a fracture for my trouble.

rscott
Dec 10, 2009


If you're consistently missing short, the most obvious answer is to take a step forward.

Lots of great advice in this thread so far! The weather has randomly turned from snow to 80F and the new franken-goal is together at work so we'll probably start the new season today!

crm
Oct 24, 2004



teagone posted:

I'm a 5'3" Filipino with terrible ball-handling skills, but I'm pretty efficient when it comes to 3 pointers and spot up shooting. Am I hosed when it comes to pick-up games?

Buddy up with a quality low post guy and work on entry passes and then moving to another spot for a kick out. If he's not an idiot, he will love you and you'll get lots of open looks.

crm
Oct 24, 2004



Mana Dragon posted:

Hey fellow pick up players. 6'4 240, pretty much built like a linebacker. I have been told I play like a poor mans' version of Charles Barkley, except white. I primarily work in the post with layups and generally like to play back to the basket. Have a moderately good turnaround hook that I use to my advantage.

Something I've added to my game is a high post/face up move that is very effective.

Basically you get the ball at the elbow or just below it and without dribbling do a "reverse pivot*", where instead of pivoting off the foot closest to your defender, you pivot off the one away from the defender and face him, giving you a quick moment where you've got some separation and you can get off a quick jumper. If the defender jumps at the shot, put the ball down and just go to be the basket. If they lay off, you've got an easy 12' jumper.

It's my favorite thing to do against hyper aggressive/athletic dudes. I've made some quality AAU kids look very silly.

* This move was made famous by Jack Sikma. Go look up his videos, it's a work of art.

Vladimir Putin
Mar 17, 2007
Pardon me sir, would you like to have some Polonium ?

crm posted:

Something I've added to my game is a high post/face up move that is very effective.

Basically you get the ball at the elbow or just below it and without dribbling do a "reverse pivot*", where instead of pivoting off the foot closest to your defender, you pivot off the one away from the defender and face him, giving you a quick moment where you've got some separation and you can get off a quick jumper. If the defender jumps at the shot, put the ball down and just go to be the basket. If they lay off, you've got an easy 12' jumper.

It's my favorite thing to do against hyper aggressive/athletic dudes. I've made some quality AAU kids look very silly.

* This move was made famous by Jack Sikma. Go look up his videos, it's a work of art.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=O1KE...feature=related

crm
Oct 24, 2004



Yup that's it. I do it from the elbow because I can receive the pass from the top of the key after checking the ball.

cisneros
Apr 18, 2006

Aight, Adam, I want you to point at the nigga that gave you a dirty sanchez.


Regnevelc posted:

5'9.5" and I have small hands. I can dunk a mini-ball. I also cannot jump off of one foot. It seriously screws with me. Probably because my ankle on my takeoff foot is hosed.

Ugh, dunking with 2 legs and small hands is tricky, whatever extra acceleration you put just makes it more likely for the ball to hit the back of the rim/ slip off your hand, there's some gimmicks to get you an inch temporarily(like using a weighted vest), but I assume you don't want that. I used to have way more hops with 2 legs back in the day and managed to get my 1 leg jumps to a similar level, but if you don't like layups, it would be just a waste of time.

rscott
Dec 10, 2009


First two games went pretty well all things considered. We only had enough people to run 3v3, which is fine on a half court. Everyone's shot was rusty as hell, especially with a hand in our faces. I've been trying to work on passing out of the double in the high post, and had a couple of great passes to cutters weakside for easy layups, which helped us to win the first game 11-9. Mostly though, I just set screens for our jump shooter and crashed the boards like I always do.

seniorservice
Jun 18, 2004

Wubba Lubba Dub Dub!

kingcobweb posted:

I'm 6'4" and ~140lb

:o My advice would be to eat some food and/or see a doctor

ChuckNade376
Mar 12, 2008

MOTHERFUCKER. It is going to happen.


We usually play with the ball dead at the top of the 3 point line on check up situations?

BIZORT
Jan 24, 2003



A friend of mine from high school is only 5'11 but posted videos of himself doing 360 dunks and I couldn't believe it. He's just a typical looking white kid. I asked him what his secret was and he said it was your basic leg and calf strength stuff, calf raises especially. I think he even bought those things for your shoes that raise half of your shoe up like Kramer had in that one Seinfeld episode. However, the eye opener was him saying it was as simple as bending your knees more before the jump along with trying to build up momentum. If you think about it, when you jump you just run and do it rather than really putting any sort of effort into trying to explode off the ground. I've been meaning to try and make that a habit for about 3 years now. He sent me to this url too http://www.higher-faster-sports.com/jumphigher.html

pat
Sep 20, 2001

Judy can pat the bunny. Now YOU pat the bunny.

Rolled my ankle pretty badly 3 weeks ago, this thread is making me depressed. Anyone been sidelined for longer than 4 weeks with an ankle sprain? (I rolled it the "wrong" way, which is less common, to the inside of my foot.)

euphronius
Feb 18, 2009



In January 2011 I rolled my ankle and it hurt for 6 months. I couldn't walk for a week. It sucked. I did not play basketball for a long time.

spamman
Jul 10, 2002

Chin up Tiger, There is always next season...

Have you tried to get it moving? You may have torn/strained a couple of minor tendons in there, and some scar tissue may have built up. Some movements will help loosen it up, although you may want to see a physio or something.

Boosh!
Apr 12, 2002



BIZORT posted:

A friend of mine from high school is only 5'11 but posted videos of himself doing 360 dunks and I couldn't believe it. He's just a typical looking white kid. I asked him what his secret was and he said it was your basic leg and calf strength stuff, calf raises especially. I think he even bought those things for your shoes that raise half of your shoe up like Kramer had in that one Seinfeld episode. However, the eye opener was him saying it was as simple as bending your knees more before the jump along with trying to build up momentum. If you think about it, when you jump you just run and do it rather than really putting any sort of effort into trying to explode off the ground. I've been meaning to try and make that a habit for about 3 years now. He sent me to this url too http://www.higher-faster-sports.com/jumphigher.html

I tried those strength shoes ages ago in HS and they do work. I went from failing to nip backboard to jamming volleyballs with ease in a year or so at 5'10. Thanks for the link, I'm back to having zero vertical due to age and bad knees. I might work some of this stuff into rehabbing the knee.

My game has changed over the years, I used to have pretty good handle and fly around the court. Now, I'm the resident spot up 3pt shooter.

Boosh! fucked around with this message at Mar 13, 2012 around 14:07

stephelopholus
Feb 24, 2011


I did air alert when I was in high school. http://www.airalert.com/

No special trick to it, just an intense jumping workout. It is nice because you don't need weights or other equipment to do. It is exhausting and if it doesn't improve your vertical you will at least be in shape.

Vladimir Putin
Mar 17, 2007
Pardon me sir, would you like to have some Polonium ?

pat posted:

Rolled my ankle pretty badly 3 weeks ago, this thread is making me depressed. Anyone been sidelined for longer than 4 weeks with an ankle sprain? (I rolled it the "wrong" way, which is less common, to the inside of my foot.)

I have. I stayed off it for maybe two months. Then it was fine and I slowly regained my full range of motion. Just take is slowly and let it heal.

euphronius
Feb 18, 2009



After I rolled my ankle (the first time) the pain was outrageous and it takes forever to heal. Then I watch the NBA and you see NBA players miss like a quarter or one game with a sprained ankle. What the christ. Those guys in the NBA are insane (and they have great trainers.)

Then there is Spencer Hawes who has missed most of the season.

euphronius fucked around with this message at Mar 13, 2012 around 15:12

Quandary
Jan 29, 2008

I pledge allegiance to the Crimson and Cream

I'm not a great player by any extent, but goddamn do I love teams who actually look for the cutter. I'm incapable of making my own offense and only a mediocre 3 pt shooter so generally most of my points are off of putbacks or fastbreaks, but a game today the random dude playing point actually knew how to pass. Amazing how much easier the game is when you can get the ball in the post while cutting.

Boosh!
Apr 12, 2002



euphronius posted:

After I rolled my ankle (the first time) the paid was outrageous and it takes forever to heal. Then I watch the NBA and you see NBA players miss like a quarter or one game with a sprained ankle. What the christ. Those guys in the NBA are insane (and they have great trainers.)

Then there is Spencer Hawes who has missed most of the season.

Rolling an ankle is one thing, but I had one of those crazy sprains where you hear a pop in the ankle and I was out for ages.

Mechafunkzilla
Sep 11, 2006

''I post every day of my life as they have never posted a day in theirs.''


Boosh! posted:

Rolling an ankle is one thing, but I had one of those crazy sprains where you hear a pop in the ankle and I was out for ages.

Yep, I had one of these happen at a grappling tournament and was out 6 months. It's the worst.

Jack's Flow
Jun 6, 2003

What happen then, Mr Bones?
if be you cares to say.


The brother of a teammate tore his Achilles tendon while dunking before a game. I could hear the popping sound all the way to half-court (it was a small, empty gym). That sound haunts me to this day, over a decade later.

crm
Oct 24, 2004



My last ankle injury involved rolling it under on the outside so bad that the it chipped a bone on the inside of my anke.

Took 4 months to bounce back from that.

dudemanbudguy
Jan 2, 2008
guybudmandude

In high school I fractured my ankle getting a rebound (probably why I'm such an awful rebounder now). I just wear a brace on that ankle now. I've rolled my ankle so much playing basketball that it hardly even bothers me when I do it.

crm
Oct 24, 2004



This is the single greatest ankle brace ever created: http://www.mcdavidusa.com/store/ind...PARTMENT_ID=298

E2M2
Mar 2, 2007
Probation
Can't post for 5 days!


crm posted:

This is the single greatest ankle brace ever created: http://www.mcdavidusa.com/store/ind...PARTMENT_ID=298

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nifty1
Feb 9, 2010


This thread is awesome I love pickup basketball. But ugh all the posts in the last page about injuries make me cringe.

Recently I started playing at a new gym in addition to the place I've regularly played at for years and last week I encountered the real life caricature of a bad pickup player. This guy was like 6'3, athletic looking, he was wearing all the cool looking gear including the arm sleeves and the headband. Every time he touched the ball on offense he would shoot 3's from 2 feet behind the line. I saw him shoot 15 or 20 shots and never make a single one. He would even yell out in anger when the shots missed. On defense when a shot would go up he would stand at the free throw line and yell "REBOUND" and get pissed off if the other team got an offensive rebound and scored. He never attempted to get any rebounds himself. It blew my mind.

For the guy that said he's new and wants to know what to work on. When I started playing pickup basketball I sucked, I couldn't shoot or dribble. What I did is I focused on rebounding and playing good defense in the games.

Outside the games I worked on my jump shot from under the hoop to about the free throw line. After I started being able to consistently hit my jumpshot, I started taking it in games when I was open.

Then I started working on ball handling with both hands, once I got comfortable doing normal dribbling then I would go on youtube and watch videos of how to do awesome crossovers and I would practice those.

BIZORT
Jan 24, 2003



It's been said before and it's 100% true. The more dumb basketball poo poo you wear to a pickup game, the more likely you have no loving idea what you're doing

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nifty1
Feb 9, 2010


With all the talk of running the pick and roll in this thread, I have a friend that's like 6'0, 230lbs of muscle brick wall that wants to run the pick and roll with me.

I basically know how it works but I did some google searching on it and watched a bunch of videos. I never played organized basketball so I've never had any coaching. I'm looking for tips that you might not pick up from one of those generic "how to coach" basketball sites. Anyone have any good tips, stories or experiences to share about running the pick and roll in 5v5 pickup games?

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