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I killed them because they hate werewolves, and, welp.  The Keeper respawns at least, but yeah, it would make the DLC a little awkward. Also they're kind of lame in the game. I mean, Tyranus breaks in about two seconds and the actual Vigilants in the Hall go down pretty easily. They didn't really strike me as "righteous" so much as "totally rigid, fanatical, and slightly hypocritical," but I guess that's the best you can hope for in a Bethesda game. I think it'd be kind of cool if the DLC somehow involved the dragons that Paarthurnax said he was going to try and convert to the Way of the Voice, but I doubt that that will happen. I'm okay with pretty much anything except a DLC that forces me to interact with the Falmer more than I absolutely have to.
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A Game of Chess posted:I killed them because they hate werewolves, and, welp. I never liked the Vigilants much either because they just seemed like self-righteous fanatics. I usually used the ones on the road for pickpocket leveling since they have good stuff and I didn't mind getting caught. I'm all for more Falmer though. There's nothing I love more than going into a big nest and wiping them out with my bow. 
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I'm not saying the Vigilants are particularly cool or well developed. I'm saying they should use the DLC as an opportunity to make them that way. Mostly because all the "bad guy" stuff in this game is so fun. An anti-daedra crusade could be cool if done right.
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Earwicker posted:I don't, I already killed everyone in their headquarters because my companion uh started a fight with them when they got a little pissy about me stealing food. A DLC about them would be a bit awkward "Thank you for all the help dovahkiin. Please, Come with us back to the hall of vigilance. Come on i won't take no for a answer, Keeper carcette wouldn't forgive me if i didn't introduce you. It'll be great, i can introduce you to my friend tyranus, We can have a feast, I'm sure you won't regret it!"
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Blast Fantasto posted:I'm not saying the Vigilants are particularly cool or well developed. I'm saying they should use the DLC as an opportunity to make them that way. I can definitely get behind their opposition to the daedra, but the whole "Walk always in the light or we will DRAG you to it" thing rubbed me the wrong way. If they were fleshed out a bit I agree they could be pretty cool and I like the idea of an anti-daedra option since I spent the whole game having to do horrible things in their name. I always liked their look too, as completely meaningless as that may be. Kimmalah fucked around with this message at May 2, 2012 around 16:55 |
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NaturalLow posted:I can definitely get behind their opposition to the daedra, but the whole "Walk always in the light or we will DRAG you to it" thing rubbed me the wrong way. If they were fleshed out a bit I agree they could be pretty cool. Right now they're just some weird random encounter fodder. Yeah that's what I was going for. It could even be a quest where you're actually around for the FOUNDING of a guild, as someone tries to legitimize them beyond just four guys hanging out in a tower.
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Helping a faction could be interesting. I didn't necessarily enjoy the Thieves Guild extra jobs, but I did like the way they cumulatively added more and more poo poo to the Ragged Flagon (and same with the little items decorating the Guildmaster's desk). It'd be nice to do that for a 'good' faction.
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Maybe they'll do a DLC where the Falmer invade the main world, cause the world to be night and its up to you to go back into Blackreach and beat the poo poo out them. Honestly though the DLC will probably be just some self-contained adventure.
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I still hold out the slim, slim, slim hope that the DLC will be a complete revamp of the civil war into something less terrible, but a cold hard cynical part of me keeps saying that won't ever happen ever 
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I really don't know what the Dawnguard could be, but I hope they include some poo poo to make vampires cool. Werewolves are just so much better right now that I feel a bit sorry for all the vampires I rip to shreds.
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I bet it's that you are a guard, in Dawnstar. Missions include complaining about the cold, drinking ale, and drinking more ale. If you successfully manage to complete 12 shifts on guard duty without your superior finding out that you are drunk, then you get a special mission where the Dovahkhin strolls through town and you get to make up a witty remark to say at her/him.
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Earwicker posted:I bet it's that you are a guard, in Dawnstar. Missions include complaining about the cold, drinking ale, and drinking more ale. If you successfully manage to complete 12 shifts on guard duty without your superior finding out that you are drunk, then you get a special mission where the Dovahkhin strolls through town and you get to make up a witty remark to say at her/him right before he/she steals poo poo in front of you and gets away with it by waving a magical Thane badge in front of you, or simply kills you. Fixed. In my case, it'd be "turns into a werewolf and mauls you to death", though.
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Gonkish posted:Fixed. Based on my experience, I would try to brutally kill the Dovahkiin for a 3 gold bounty they got from accidentally picking up a tankard while trying to talk to an innkeeper.
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Based on the fact that falmer are a major part in the game, yet have nothing to do with the main quest or any major side quests, and several areas in the game slap you in the face with "the falmer attacks have been getting worse," I would bet that if not this DLC, then a future one, will involve them.
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I would hope that, if they do go with the Falmer, they go with a group of them that didn't get turned into horrible monsters by rear end in a top hat Dwemer. That could be interesting, but then again this is Bethesda, so we'll probably just get "FALMER BAD GO KILL ALSO LOOK AT HOW loving PRETTY THIS GAME IS".
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Am I terrible for wishing it was just a little bit like Knights of the Nine, except that instead of being inspired by Ultima IV, it takes from Ultima V?
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Hah. Dawngaurd. You'll be working for Meridia.
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Earwicker posted:I bet it's that you are a guard, in Dawnstar. Missions include complaining about the cold, drinking ale, and drinking more ale. Opening of DLC/Expansion: Open, the plains of Whiterun. The Dovahkiin, now a truly realised hero, rides stoically on his trotting steed, Lydia by his side. A roaring blaze of cinders illuminates them, interrupting their tranquility. The dragonborn leaps into action, casting multiple expert level spells at his airborne reptilian foe as he jumps off his horse. The ancient beast bellows as a bolt of white lightning strikes it square in the chest. In a red hot rage it swoops at our hero, knocking him off his feet. It snaps menacingly as it closes in on its prey; the end is nigh for our champion. Things look grim as the dragon makes a penultimate gnash of its teeth. Suddenly! "Thunk!" An arrow reverberates as it smacks the brute in the snout. The camera pans and zooms in on Lydia, bow in hand. She smirks. A reinvigorated hero launches himself at his adversary, madly slashing at it. Lydia fires a whirlwind volley of shots, perfectly coinciding her attacks with her Thane's. Now less a fight but a dance between two superhuman warriors; the dragon gives in to despair. Even the onlooking mudcrab recognises its defeat. It lets loose a final almighty howl as the Dovahkiin pierces its heart. Victory turns to anguish in a split second. Lydia, whose concentration had been broken by the triumph, looks on in horror as her previously nocked arrow looses. The stray projectile hits our hero, instantly severing the tendon attaching his patella. He collapses. Fade to black. Years later, Dawnstar. A weathered man dressed in the traditional Dawnstar guard garb sips at a frothy ale. He looks wistfully at the sunset. A young fellow decked out in a mish mash of different types of armour exuberantly asks "Hey buddy, have you heard of the Mythic Dawn cult? Apparently they're popping back up all over the place! Got any leads?". The player gains control of the mysterious guard and is offered one single speech option: "I used to be an adventurer like you..."
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The thing about Elder Scrolls expansions is that they never assume you've gone through any certain content, meet any set of requirement within the game or have progressed the plot at all beyond starting the game. As amusing as these parodies are (and not), I do not think Bethesda is going to differ with Skyrim considering the potential to expand they have. I don't expect the DLC to rock my world or anything, but I don't expect Horse Armor again.
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just making sure this is on page four where it belongs should update the OP as well 
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Rigged Death Trap posted:Hah. That or Azura. Maybe both. That gif is amazing, also.
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thetrin posted:The one month exclusive deal with Microsoft makes me sad. I hate that I'll have to wait an extra month to play it on PC. I'd make a bitter comment about yet another developer spitting in the face of PC fans that made their company what they are today but that seems to be pretty much par for course these days with developers. I guess it just stings a little bit more with Bethesda. Daggerfall was one of the first PC games I legitimately purchased and to this day I still think it was awesome. I guess 18 years of PC gamers putting your company on the map doesn't buy you much these days. 
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Calihan posted:I guess 18 years of PC gamers putting your company on the map doesn't buy you much these days. No, but that exclusivity cash from Microsoft will. I wonder if MS subsidized the Kinect support too. I take back my previous post about hoping the reason they were so quiet about the DLC is that they've got something unique and game changing. With TES: Online being announced, I'm guessing Zenimax just didn't want to steal the thunder from that. I'm still excited for further announcements so I can judge whether or not to be excited about the DLC. Akalies fucked around with this message at May 4, 2012 around 05:21 |
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Akalies posted:No, but that exclusivity cash from Microsoft will. I wonder if MS subsidized the Kinect support too. What gets me is what is the point of it all. I mean MS come along and dump a sack of cash on the lap of Bethesda and bribe them in to screwing their PC/PS3 fans. But to what end? Are MS really banking on some crazy scheme of us going "Well gee goly! I really want that DLC I know pretty much nothing about the minute it launches. I better go buy a 360 and another copy of Skyrim with its inferior console controls and complete inability to be modded right now!"? I cannot for the life of me see anyone doing this let alone enough to cover however much cash changed hands for Bethesda to go along with this nonsense.
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Calihan posted:What gets me is what is the point of it all. I mean MS come along and dump a sack of cash on the lap of Bethesda and bribe them in to screwing their PC/PS3 fans. But to what end? Are MS really banking on some crazy scheme of us going "Well gee goly! I really want that DLC I know pretty much nothing about the minute it launches. I better go buy a 360 and another copy of Skyrim with its inferior console controls and complete inability to be modded right now!"? Seriously? The exclusivity isn't meant to sell consoles. It's meant to sway people with the option to buy Skyrim on multiple platforms towards buying it on 360. I don't understand what is so hard to get about this from a business standpoint.
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Calihan posted:What gets me is what is the point of it all. I mean MS come along and dump a sack of cash on the lap of Bethesda and bribe them in to screwing their PC/PS3 fans. But to what end? Are MS really banking on some crazy scheme of us going "Well gee goly! I really want that DLC I know pretty much nothing about the minute it launches. I better go buy a 360 and another copy of Skyrim with its inferior console controls and complete inability to be modded right now!"? I'm actually a bit confused on this one too, since it seems like the exclusivity agreement was announced with the DLC. It makes perfect buisness sense to announce it with the game launch and 'help' people decide to pick up the 360 version. But after the fact is definitely a pure dick move, unless MS really wants to win over people who bought copies for both systems. Holy poo poo, according to wikipedia MS shelled out $50 million for their exclusivity deal with Rockstar and the GTA: IV dlc. I was thinking more along the lines of a couple hundred thousand, not fifty loving million dollars.
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Blast Fantasto posted:Seriously? The exclusivity isn't meant to sell consoles. It's meant to sway people with the option to buy Skyrim on multiple platforms towards buying it on 360. At the price-point they set, if past deals like this are anything to go by, and especially given the fact that they are partly shooting themselves in the foot anyway (PC gaming is a Microsoft platform after all), it doesn't make any sense at all from a business standpoint. They do not make back what they pay publishers to do this, by a long shot. They probably tried to get full exclusivity for the title first, and when Bethesda turned that down, they offered this instead. And in the end what they get is almost nothing. An extra month? Big loving deal. All it is, is the consequence of MS literally giving the XBox division a blank check. In spite of stupid moves like this, they are one of their biggest money-makers.
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I couldn't give a drat less about one-month exclusivity deals because, ultimately, that money goes towards improving the game and developing DLC for all three platforms. If not all of it then enough of it and the rest goes towards the company for future titles anyway.
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Magmarashi posted:I couldn't give a drat less about one-month exclusivity deals because, ultimately, that money goes towards improving the game and developing DLC for all three platforms.  There has never been, and never will be, a reason to buy a TES/FO game on a console.
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Broken Knees Club posted:
 Oh man, this line of discussion can only go to AWESOME places!
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It just boils down to what you get for your purchase. On their own, TES and Fallout games aren't that interesting, except New Vegas. You kinda need mods to spice them up or make them even playable in some areas. When consoles can use mods, it will be a different story, but as it is, you just get a better deal with the PC game. This has always been true for TES. Other games, I'll give, do not have this unique proposition, because mods are sparse at best. I mean, Dragon Age was fun and plyable and possibly better without mods. Dragon Age 2 was poo poo no matter what.
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I beg to differ that 'on their own' they aren't very interesting. After 5-6 play throughs, yes they can get pretty boring because you're just doing all the same things over again and again, and mods help breath needed life into things. They also provide some fantastic silly and immersive extra content. The base games aren't horrible slogs of trite boredom and torture, though. There are many factors that would back purchase on a console much more reasonable for many, many people. Top of the list being lack of a proper PC system to play it on, or the money to buy/upgrade to a new one. These consoles have been around quite a few years now, before we had an economic downturn. On a cost point, upgrading to play the game is easily the less costly measure but purchasing/assembling a rig just to play a TES/FO game, when you already own a console and do your majority of gaming on that, is just short of lunacy unless you have the spare income to burn. Obviously copies sell to consoles very well, so some reasons have to exist for that beyond 'lol dumb consolegamerz'
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To roll out a  for a moment: Bethesda games on consoles are the vanilla ice cream at the buffet desert station. The PC versions are the ice cream and the fixings.
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Akalies posted:I'm actually a bit confused on this one too, since it seems like the exclusivity agreement was announced with the DLC. It was announced before the game was released, so it probably did sway people with both consoles (and possibly borderline-speced PCs) towards the 360, especially since, for all they knew at the time, there could have been some DLC out a few weeks after release.
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Kilroy posted:They are making back on sales percentages the barest fraction of what they throw around to secure deals like this. Not having seen any sales figures or studies to indicate how deals like this affect buying choices, I couldn't argue on the point of whether it actually brings them any profit, but are they really shooting themselves in the foot with regards to PCs? Microsoft aren't a PC Gaming vendor, they're a PC OS and Desktop Publishing vendor. I think the subset of people who currently own a Windows PC who would buy a mac because skyrim or a few other AAA titles were only available on console is a vanishingly small one. As far as I can see, PC gaming is of no interest to Microsoft, because you are going to buy (or maybe pirate) their OS anyway, and your workplace which spends thousands of dollars on corporate licenses for Microsoft Office and Windows 2000 Professional won't even enter "availability of Skyrim on this platform" into their calculations. It's impossible to find sales figures for PC games these days since Valve are so bloody secretive about them, but consider how many people bought Skyrim or Call of Duty or another popular cross-platform game on PC, how many of those people would not have bought a PC had these games not been available (bearing in mind that some other types of games are PC exclusive, and also that even gamers use their computers for things other than gaming), and then compare that to the billion plus personal computers in the world of which 70-90% are running a Windows OS. I don't really see that PC gaming could be that important to Microsoft's sales figures.
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Blast Fantasto posted:Seriously? The exclusivity isn't meant to sell consoles. It's meant to sway people with the option to buy Skyrim on multiple platforms towards buying it on 360. I guess but I cannot imagine too many people that want the DLC that badly not already having a copy of the game. Nor can I see people with multiple platforms buying a whole new version (again, on an inferior platform for a TES game) just to get the DLC a little sooner.
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Reveilled posted:Not having seen any sales figures or studies to indicate how deals like this affect buying choices, I couldn't argue on the point of whether it actually brings them any profit, but are they really shooting themselves in the foot with regards to PCs? Microsoft aren't a PC Gaming vendor, they're a PC OS and Desktop Publishing vendor. I think the subset of people who currently own a Windows PC who would buy a mac because skyrim or a few other AAA titles were only available on console is a vanishingly small one. As far as I can see, PC gaming is of no interest to Microsoft, because you are going to buy (or maybe pirate) their OS anyway, and your workplace which spends thousands of dollars on corporate licenses for Microsoft Office and Windows 2000 Professional won't even enter "availability of Skyrim on this platform" into their calculations. Well Microsoft were big on their Games for Windows Live for a few years ago. They controlled release of the DLC for Fallout 3 as well as worming mandatory use of their platform on a few other titles too. It wouldn't be such a problem if it wasn't so buggy and terrible. I guess MS finally just gave up on the whole idea.
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Broken Knees Club posted:There has never been, and never will be, a reason to buy a TES/FO game on a console. Sure there is - lack of ownership of a PC. Yeah, I'd rather play Skyrim on a PC but I'm not going to buy a new computer just to make a game somewhat better.
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Calihan posted:I guess but I cannot imagine too many people that want the DLC that badly not already having a copy of the game. Nor can I see people with multiple platforms buying a whole new version (again, on an inferior platform for a TES game) just to get the DLC a little sooner. It's not like they just announced the monthlong exclusivity right now. This was publicized before the game's release. Edit: Seriously, here is the scenario: Bob owns both a ps3 and 360. He's super excited for skyrim and plans to buy one of the (seemingly) identical versions on 11-11-11. He reads, well before the game is out, that 360 will get all DLC first. So why not get that version? It's that simple. For all people knew there could have been DLC two weeks after release. The point of this is not to get people to rebuy the game for earlier DLC access and I don't know how anyone could think that. Blast Fantasto fucked around with this message at May 4, 2012 around 14:43 |
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The thing is that the entire thing is completely and utterly hosed for anyone who owns only a PS3 and has chosen the PS3 version, because not only do they get the DLC much later than 360 owners, but they get a buggy, half-tested, crappier version of the game more prone to errors and crashes. They are treated like poo poo. For no good reason. PC users can at least upgrade their hardware to solve their issues. PS3 users are hosed.
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