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Philthy
Jan 28, 2003

Oh yeah.

Then it would have to be the apps we're using. That article post above does explain certain apps will run in the background and suck up resources. I would imagine anyone writing an app could make a sloppy mistake and cause this to happen.

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Bag of Sun Chips
Jun 7, 2003


I had no idea I'd start an argument about killing multitasking bar items. People who clear out their multitasking bar are wasting their time.

iOS is not Windows Mobile 6 or Android.

Paul Allen
Sep 22, 2004

Is that a raincoat?



iOS is designed to free up space as needed. You don't need to close out of apps manually to make your device run faster or make the battery last longer. Anecdotal evidence doesn't matter and if you're having a battery issue it's a problem with your single device, so you should get it looked at or get a new one. End of story.

Can we move on now?

FlashBangBob
Jul 5, 2007

BLAM! Internet Found!

Yeah, just keep in mind that a Genius could (read: will) tell you that those apps are what is causing a battery drain, or blame it on iCloud, and tell you that you should completely restore your iPod fresh (no backup) and see if battery improves.

He put a note in the repair that if the battery was still not great to bring it back in for a replacement, and thats what we did even though the battery life did somewhat improve. (This was for an iPhone)

frumpsnake
Jan 30, 2001

The sad part is, he wasn't always evil.

Philthy posted:

Then it would have to be the apps we're using. That article post above does explain certain apps will run in the background and suck up resources. I would imagine anyone writing an app could make a sloppy mistake and cause this to happen.

No, "sloppy" app writers literally cannot cause more resource drain.

a) Any app that tries to waste battery by updating/redrawing its (invisible) display is instantly killed.

b) An app playing background audio is terminated the instant audio stops playing. If you stop listening to Pandora for whatever reason, the app can't remain connected to its servers.

c) A VoIP app maintaining connection to a server has to hand its socket over to iOS when closing. iOS itself handles the connection and wakeup periods. If you put Skype in the background, technically, the app still is suspended 99% of the time, and only woken up for keepalives and when an incoming call actually begins.

d) Any app can request up to 10 minutes to perform a background task. Less apps than you think (and practically 0 games) use this API. You can hook up XCode to your iOS device and inspect every single app state if you want.

Really, c) (which really means Skype, if you've set it to remain in background) is the only substantial battery drainer, which is the reason Apple restrict its use to VoIP apps and reject it in other apps (ie Sparrow) even though the consequences are the same. Users rarely use multiple VoIP apps, but opening this up to general-purpose apps and suddenly maintaining 4 or 5 TCP/UDP connections as opposed to 1 *would* cause drain.


The fact that terminating an app from the multitasking bar instantly frees up memory *before* it is needed, which can help subsequent app launch times is largely irrelevant. At no point are you ever, ever *required* to terminate an app from the multitasking bar, even misbehaving ones, although if you only want to kill one specific app it's certainly faster than rebooting your device.

frumpsnake fucked around with this message at Apr 4, 2012 around 16:00

mediaphage
Mar 22, 2007


TheAngryDrunk posted:

Checked out this one yet? http://www.ifrogz.com/product/IPADU-SUM

Oooh, not bad. I got in on that affordable Smart Cover buy, so I might try to mod it, but if it fails I'll likely pick this up.

kitten smoothie
Dec 29, 2001



frumpsnake posted:

Truth.
This is God's honest truth. If you have ever written an iOS app that needs to use one of the background modes, you will quickly find out there are all sorts of fences in place to stop you from doing anything that could cause battery drain.

Fid
Dec 2, 2010

'Bout time this town had
a new Sheriff


Speaking of working in a background, I wish there was a way to keep Netflix's audio going when you shut off the screen. Or a YouTube video to keep playing when you switch to another tab for a second.

choobs
Mar 25, 2004
Never bring a duck to a cock fight.

Fid posted:

Speaking of working in a background, I wish there was a way to keep Netflix's audio going when you shut off the screen. Or a YouTube video to keep playing when you switch to another tab for a second.
Not sure about Netflix, but when you play a YouTube video in the YouTube app and switch away from that app, you can open the multitasking bar and swipe to the right and press play to force it to keep playing the audio. I'd imagine it works the same if you're playing it in Safari and you switch tabs, but I've never tested that.

Tora Tora Torrents
Sep 22, 2003


Here's a better way to kill a misbehaving app while avoiding the urge to sperg out and close everything in your multitasking tray: while inside the app hold the sleep/wake button until you see slide to power off. Instead of sliding hold down the home button for about 3-5 seconds. You'll wind up at the home screen with the app that was active terminated.

Henrik Zetterberg
Dec 7, 2007



Vinlaen posted:

Does anybody use a cover/case even if they just keep their iPad at home?

I'm a minimalist and I have an Incipio Feather case on my iPhone 4S but only because the glass back of the phone feels too slippery.

I've always used my iPad 1 and 2 without any cases because they never leave my house and the back isn't slippery like the iPhones.

However, the Incipio Smart Feather looks drat sexy and I'm wondering if the iPad "feels" better when using a slim case like that, etc.

My iPad rarely ever leaves the house unless I'm going on vacation. I keep a Smart Cover on it, even while at home.

Nihiliste
Oct 23, 2005
The mass of men lead lives of quiet desperation.

I review iPad gear, so I have to keep a case on a lot of the time, but I go back to the Canvas whenever I don't. The stand is handy, and it's nice to know I won't damage the iPad if I drop it on a coffee table or something.

Mark Larson
Dec 27, 2003

Interesting...

I actually am looking for a simple back cover just for use around the home. I did get a STM Skinny, but want a cheap TPU-style cover that would hopefully be compatible with a smartcover were I to get one later. Its nice to have the iPad just there without having to deal with a flappy cover when I'm at home. I just want to protect the back so I can put it on a table etc without worrying about scratches.

Any recommendations? The Incipio Feather seems wayyy too expensive for a simple bit of plastic. I want something under $10 if possible.

Paul Allen
Sep 22, 2004

Is that a raincoat?



Mark Larson posted:

I actually am looking for a simple back cover just for use around the home. I did get a STM Skinny, but want a cheap TPU-style cover that would hopefully be compatible with a smartcover were I to get one later. Its nice to have the iPad just there without having to deal with a flappy cover when I'm at home. I just want to protect the back so I can put it on a table etc without worrying about scratches.

Any recommendations? The Incipio Feather seems wayyy too expensive for a simple bit of plastic. I want something under $10 if possible.

People have talked about it before, and I love the HyperShield cover:

http://www.hypershop.com/HyperShiel...Pad-2-s/196.htm

And right now they're on sale for $10. AND they match all the Smart Cover colors exactly, except they don't have a back cover for the Dark Grey cover for some reason. Mine fits my new iPad like a glove.

henpod
Mar 7, 2008

Sir, we have located the Bioweapon.

Paul Allen posted:

People have talked about it before, and I love the HyperShield cover:

http://www.hypershop.com/HyperShiel...Pad-2-s/196.htm

And right now they're on sale for $10. AND they match all the Smart Cover colors exactly, except they don't have a back cover for the Dark Grey cover for some reason. Mine fits my new iPad like a glove.

I would buy one of these in a heartbeat at that price, but alas, cannot do so as I am in the UK .

japtor
Oct 28, 2005
WELL ARNT I JUST MR. LA DE FUCKEN DA. oh yea and i suck cocks too


UnbornApple posted:

Here's a better way to kill a misbehaving app while avoiding the urge to sperg out and close everything in your multitasking tray: while inside the app hold the sleep/wake button until you see slide to power off. Instead of sliding hold down the home button for about 3-5 seconds. You'll wind up at the home screen with the app that was active terminated.
I forgot that existed. Isn't that just a really slow (and old) way of doing the same thing from the task switcher? I figure the problem for most people is that they don't know which app is supposedly misbehaving (apparently hard to do in the first place according to the posts above*), so they just kill everything to be safe.

*Re: frumpsnake, you forgot e) location services, which iirc involves 2 or 3 types of location tracking with varying impacts on battery life.

Paul Allen posted:

People have talked about it before, and I love the HyperShield cover:

http://www.hypershop.com/HyperShiel...Pad-2-s/196.htm

And right now they're on sale for $10. AND they match all the Smart Cover colors exactly, except they don't have a back cover for the Dark Grey cover for some reason. Mine fits my new iPad like a glove.
Also mentioned before, Monoprice has some similar but tackier looking ones for about $5, but around $5 shipping too (probably varies by location). Not Smart Cover compatible last I checked, but the TPU stuff is cut easily enough to accommodate it.

Mark Larson
Dec 27, 2003

Interesting...

japtor posted:

Also mentioned before, Monoprice has some similar but tackier looking ones for about $5, but around $5 shipping too (probably varies by location). Not Smart Cover compatible last I checked, but the TPU stuff is cut easily enough to accommodate it.

I didn't feel like paying $15 for the Hypershield, so I got the Monoprice one. It cost me $6 shipped, and I picked up a 2.1A car charger too. Thanks!

mattfl
Aug 27, 2004


So I was never a big fan of full cases, have had a smart cover and a carbon best skins on my ipad since release date. Was in best buy tonight and spotted the targus slim case and picked it up. It's very nice, really nice. Hard plastic almost leathery feeling back and same for the front. One viewing/typing angle which works out fine as it's pretty much the perfect angle. A lot of early complaints about the magnets not working but mine seem to work fine. Neatest feature is the built in stylus holder on the back. I picked up the Wacom Bamboo stylus while I was in there too and it works great as well.

massey ferguson
Mar 11, 2012



Quick question, just got my iPad3 and am loving it but I'm just trying to get used to using iTunes in it. I've synced a few smart playlists to it but I can't seem to order them by artist, album, etc. they show up pretty much as randomly shuffled tracks and I can't find a way to change that. Any help?

Archer2338
Mar 15, 2008

'Tis a screwed up world

Paul Allen posted:

People have talked about it before, and I love the HyperShield cover:

http://www.hypershop.com/HyperShiel...Pad-2-s/196.htm

And right now they're on sale for $10. AND they match all the Smart Cover colors exactly, except they don't have a back cover for the Dark Grey cover for some reason. Mine fits my new iPad like a glove.

How thick are these? Like, thick enough for the thing to be dropped on a table or something and survive, like the switcheasy canvas case was described earlier in the thread?

Tora Tora Torrents
Sep 22, 2003


japtor posted:

I forgot that existed. Isn't that just a really slow (and old) way of doing the same thing from the task switcher? I figure the problem for most people is that they don't know which app is supposedly misbehaving (apparently hard to do in the first place according to the posts above*), so they just kill everything to be safe.

Sure, but at the same time I've never had an app misbehave. I don't know what people think they're experiencing but on my iPhone 4 I close an app and never think about it again.

Mark Larson
Dec 27, 2003

Interesting...

Archer2338 posted:

How thick are these? Like, thick enough for the thing to be dropped on a table or something and survive, like the switcheasy canvas case was described earlier in the thread?

I expect it to handle the impact if its not too hard, but it definitely won't have the protection of a thicker, more cushioned multi-layer case. Its probably about 1mm thick.

Nihiliste
Oct 23, 2005
The mass of men lead lives of quiet desperation.

Shells are only really useful for protecting against cosmetic damage, I'd say.

RedDragon8429
Jun 10, 2006


New question not intended to derail the conversation:

Is there an app + hardware solution that will let me feed a video input into my iPad 2 that will also record the video footage? Hopefully the audio as well, but that is not necessarily a priority.

I did some research and found SKJM's iCam but as far as I can tell it will only allow you to monitor what the external camera sees and take some screenshots. The description of the app says that it works with webcams so I assume that means it interfaces with USB devices through an adapter. If that's the case does anyone know if it will work with something like a Hauppauage HD PVR?

The reason I ask is that I want to be able to record footage from my video game consoles without having to move them over to my desktop. I am interested in the prospect of being able to use the iPad for this task also so I could take it other places and record footage. I don't have a laptop and I am hoping that Apple's assertion that the iPad is the harbinger of the "post-PC era" helps me out here.

Ender.uNF
Sep 28, 2001
Lowtax giveth, and Lowtax taketh away.

I don't know about live but you can use the camera connection kit with an SD card or USB to pull pictures and videos onto the iPad.

Steinuh
Nov 16, 2011



Im interested in buying the new iPad, what day do the stores get their shipments in.

Are there any apps that allow word processing that could be exported to word?

japtor
Oct 28, 2005
WELL ARNT I JUST MR. LA DE FUCKEN DA. oh yea and i suck cocks too


RedDragon8429 posted:

New question not intended to derail the conversation:

Is there an app + hardware solution that will let me feed a video input into my iPad 2 that will also record the video footage? Hopefully the audio as well, but that is not necessarily a priority.

I did some research and found SKJM's iCam but as far as I can tell it will only allow you to monitor what the external camera sees and take some screenshots. The description of the app says that it works with webcams so I assume that means it interfaces with USB devices through an adapter. If that's the case does anyone know if it will work with something like a Hauppauage HD PVR?

The reason I ask is that I want to be able to record footage from my video game consoles without having to move them over to my desktop. I am interested in the prospect of being able to use the iPad for this task also so I could take it other places and record footage. I don't have a laptop and I am hoping that Apple's assertion that the iPad is the harbinger of the "post-PC era" helps me out here.
By webcams I'm guessing it's referring to whatever camera feeds over the network/internet rather than the cameras themselves. You'd need some standalone recording device that uses the standard digital camera folder structure, then the camera connection kit. You wouldn't be able to view it live on the iPad, but you'd be able to record on the recorder thingy and transfer to the iPad if necessary. Hell if it's just to capture you wouldn't need the iPad at all with one of those recorders, just an audio/video splitter to hook up to the TV and the recorder at the same time.

Otherwise I don't know of a way to capture video on the iPad other than with the cameras themselves...well depending on the webcam and whatever app I guess it'd technically be possible to capture a video stream live, although you wouldn't want to play through it cause the latency. I can't tell if that iCam app does, but the description on this app makes it sound like it might work (just the first one I found though). You'd then need a compatible IP video device that could take in whatever video input you'll be using, I think "IP video server" is what you'd be looking for...they're not cheap in my experience.

I wouldn't expect great quality with either solution, cause you'd probably have to use composite to begin with, then rely on whatever hardware encoder, and in the case of whatever app, whether that can even record the full quality stream.

Steinuh posted:

Im interested in buying the new iPad, what day do the stores get their shipments in.

Are there any apps that allow word processing that could be exported to word?
No clue on shipments, just go online at 10pm and try to set up for a pick up the next day.

Most word processing apps export to Word.

Question Mark Mound
Jun 14, 2006

Tokyo Crystal Mew
Dancing Godzilla


So it seems like STM Skinny cases for the new iPad went on sale in the UK today on Amazon and are already out of stock. I'm really feeling the need to get a nice tasteful case so this is pretty annoying.

EC
Jul 10, 2001

The Legend


I've seen a lot of chatter about converting mkvs so they'll play correctly on the new iPad and iPad 2, but what should I be using if I want to convert a 720p vid so it'll play on the iPad 1?

RedDragon8429
Jun 10, 2006


Steinuh posted:

Im interested in buying the new iPad, what day do the stores get their shipments in.

Are there any apps that allow word processing that could be exported to word?

I want to say that every store is different, but if you ask them, they'll usually tell when they're expecting the new inventory. Be quick about it though, because I remember when I was buying mine, they would sell out in a matter of hours.

As for exporting to Word, Pages seems to be the stand-by for everyone if you don't mind the $9.99 price tag, but like japtor said, most word processing apps should do the trick.

RedDragon8429
Jun 10, 2006


japtor posted:

By webcams I'm guessing it's referring to whatever camera feeds over the network/internet rather than the cameras themselves. You'd need some standalone recording device that uses the standard digital camera folder structure, then the camera connection kit. You wouldn't be able to view it live on the iPad, but you'd be able to record on the recorder thingy and transfer to the iPad if necessary. Hell if it's just to capture you wouldn't need the iPad at all with one of those recorders, just an audio/video splitter to hook up to the TV and the recorder at the same time.

Thanks for the advice. I was hoping to be able to capture the video directly onto some kind of computing device, and I was double hoping that the iPad would work so that I wouldn't have to run really long cables across my living room/house, but I guess it's not the end of the world if I have a middle man in there.

RedDragon8429
Jun 10, 2006


EC posted:

I've seen a lot of chatter about converting mkvs so they'll play correctly on the new iPad and iPad 2, but what should I be using if I want to convert a 720p vid so it'll play on the iPad 1?

Try this. http://www.videora.com/en-us/Converter/iPad/

I've had luck with Videora in the past, but it can take a long time to do the actual conversion.

Happy Noodle Boy
Jul 3, 2002

Don't fuckle with Shuckle(s)

Like that other Shuckle, but different.


EC posted:

I've seen a lot of chatter about converting mkvs so they'll play correctly on the new iPad and iPad 2, but what should I be using if I want to convert a 720p vid so it'll play on the iPad 1?

Same thing as you would with New iPad / Ipad 2: Handbrake.

It should have an iPad preset that should convert it to whatever maximum the original iPad support.

EC
Jul 10, 2001

The Legend


Happy Noodle Boy posted:

Same thing as you would with New iPad / Ipad 2: Handbrake.

It should have an iPad preset that should convert it to whatever maximum the original iPad support.

That's where I ended up, I'm about 30 minutes into the conversion, with about an hour left. Not too bad for an hour long file, but thank god I don't have to muck around with all this all the time.

Another question: if I sync this converted file using my iTunes installation, will someone else be able to sync the same iPad to their iTunes later, without losing everything? Ideally I'm hoping I can hand this thing to my sister loaded with a couple of videos for her plane ride home, then she can do whatever she wants with it later.

Don Lapre
Mar 28, 2001

If you're having problems you're either holding the phone wrong or you have tiny girl hands.


Archer2338 posted:

How thick are these? Like, thick enough for the thing to be dropped on a table or something and survive, like the switcheasy canvas case was described earlier in the thread?
It looks exactly like my ebay tpu case. The corners are pretty strong which are the easiest parts to damage.

RedDragon8429
Jun 10, 2006


EC posted:

Another question: if I sync this converted file using my iTunes installation, will someone else be able to sync the same iPad to their iTunes later, without losing everything? Ideally I'm hoping I can hand this thing to my sister loaded with a couple of videos for her plane ride home, then she can do whatever she wants with it later.

Apple doesn't like people being able to do that so unless I'm mistaken, you'd have to use third party software to back everything up before it syncs with the new computer. A quick search brought up this but I would see what other alternatives are out there.

Steinuh
Nov 16, 2011



Good news, my school had iPads which made me splurge on the moment. Only thing that sucks is that I wasn't able to use my friends discount at target to get it sub retail.

Anyway it's pretty awesome, I'm sad that the SA app doesn't work.

Henrik Zetterberg
Dec 7, 2007



Just use Safari. It's worlds better than Awful app on the iPad anyway, even if it didn't just crash.

syndex
Apr 10, 2009


http://itunes.apple.com/us/app/awfu...d512443546?mt=8

Someone compiled the latest version of Awful with iPad code from source and put it on the app store. This version should work fine on the iPad, been using it a few weeks now, very few crashes. This is not an "official" version as Ohio is currently working on a complete rewrite of Awful.

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Earwicker
Jan 6, 2003



There's not much point to an Awful app on the iPad because the browser works just fine. It's not like the phone where you are working with a really small space and need a more mobile-friendly format than what you see in the browser

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