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Azure_Horizon posted:Bertram Cooper is the prototype for Bert on Sesame Street. No no, we discussed this in the last thread. With his anachronistic facial hair, love of Ayn Rand, and tentacle porn. Bert Cooper is the proto-Goon.
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Secret Machine posted:Speaking of the loan, since Lane already forged a check for the $8,000 he needed, was there still enough left to give everyone (excluding the partners) a Christmas bonus? I guess the last two episodes of the season will deal with that. The problem is how much money is there for bringing on new staff and paying travel expenses etc. for Jaguar? And anyway, even if the finances work, Lane has embezzled money and forged a check, both serious crimes that will certainly get him pushed out and arrested, if discovered. Weird, I wonder how you separate a partner in the business when it's discovered that they stole from the business.
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| # ? May 31, 2012 17:19 |
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kylejack posted:And anyway, even if the finances work, Lane has embezzled money and forged a check, both serious crimes that will certainly get him pushed out and arrested, if discovered. Weird, I wonder how you separate a partner in the business when it's discovered that they stole from the business. The firm changes its name to Sterling Cooper Draper Harris. Pete name is still not in the lobby.
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| # ? May 31, 2012 17:39 |
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bobkatt013 posted:The firm changes its name to Sterling Cooper Draper Harris. Pete name is still not in the lobby.
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| # ? May 31, 2012 17:44 |
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At this point I'd settle for non sequitor or contrived Pete face punching. Basically just everyone constantly punching Pete.
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| # ? May 31, 2012 17:47 |
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kylejack posted:And anyway, even if the finances work, Lane has embezzled money and forged a check, both serious crimes that will certainly get him pushed out and arrested, if discovered. Weird, I wonder how you separate a partner in the business when it's discovered that they stole from the business. Whoa whoa whoa, we all know Lane's just gonna put that money right back in there as soon as he can and no one will even notice. Jeez
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| # ? May 31, 2012 17:51 |
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Y Kant Ozma Post posted:Whoa whoa whoa, we all know Lane's just gonna put that money right back in there as soon as he can and no one will even notice. Until Ms. Harris goes over her new investment and sees it.
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| # ? May 31, 2012 17:58 |
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kylejack posted:Excellent. Now if we could just find another plot purpose for Pete to get punched in the face again... We just had one.
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| # ? May 31, 2012 18:06 |
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Season Finale Spoiler Alert: Lane punches Pete down the empty elevator shaft. All is right with the world.
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| # ? May 31, 2012 18:29 |
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bobkatt013 posted:The firm changes its name to Sterling Cooper Draper Harris. Pete name is still not in the lobby. Wouldn't she want it to be Sterling Cooper Draper Holloway? Pete's just biding his time until Cooper dies.
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| # ? May 31, 2012 18:59 |
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Merry Magpie posted:Wouldn't she want it to be Sterling Cooper Draper Holloway? That is very true. It could also be Sterling Cooper Draper Holloway Olson.
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| # ? May 31, 2012 19:04 |
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bobkatt013 posted:That is very true. It could also be Sterling Cooper Draper Holloway Olson. Not unless she pulls a Bert Cooper and just reappears next episode for no clearly explained reason.
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| # ? May 31, 2012 19:07 |
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Basically, everyone except for Pete should have their name in the lobby.
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| # ? May 31, 2012 19:09 |
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Merry Magpie posted:Not unless she pulls a Bert Cooper and just reappears next episode for no clearly explained reason. She will be back by the end of the season. Either due to treatment she gets at the new firm or Don really needs her.
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| # ? May 31, 2012 19:09 |
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I had to admit I am not really digging that weird monologue by Ginsberg about being a Martian. Furthermore I like his character overall, but there are all these bizarre facets of him that sometimes feel a little contrived. I dunno, I trust in Weiner though. I guess I am just recalling Six Feet Under, another show with excellent characters initially, then latter-season characters were either so bland they didn't last long in the show (a fate I fear Dawn will befall) or are made too oddball so as to be taken as a fresh new character (like Ginsberg).
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| # ? May 31, 2012 19:13 |
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Nouvelle Vague posted:Basically, everyone except for Pete should have their name in the lobby. Ideally, he'll get his name in the lobby, realize he's a callow selfish rear end in a top hat who is still unhappy, and shoot himself. The series ends with Trudy joining as a partner.
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| # ? May 31, 2012 19:21 |
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Secret Machine posted:Season Finale Spoiler Alert: Lane punches Pete down the empty elevator shaft. All is right with the world.
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| # ? May 31, 2012 20:30 |
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bobkatt013 posted:She will be back by the end of the season. Either due to treatment she gets at the new firm or Don really needs her. The latter, I think. I really feel like you can take Season Three's "I will spend the rest of my life trying to hire you" to the bank. Edit: I didn't read carefully. I think there's no way she's back two episodes after leaving, but I think she will eventually return for the same reason I gave above. DasNeonLicht fucked around with this message at Jun 1, 2012 around 16:19 |
| # ? May 31, 2012 21:13 |
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No way. Her coming back so soon would completely diminish the impact of her leaving. I don't think we'll see her again until season 6.
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| # ? May 31, 2012 21:35 |
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The company folds, Megan leaves him, and Don in desperation has to go to Peggy for a job. I'm calling that as either the series finale or season 6 finale.
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| # ? May 31, 2012 21:37 |
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I'm not sure if I saw it discussed in this thread yet, but I heard someone mention that the coat Joan wears to the sleazy Jaguar guy's place is the fur one Roger bought her - that she promised to think of him when she wore? to untold levels!!
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| # ? May 31, 2012 23:41 |
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Sterling Cooper Rizzo Rumsen. That's what I'm hoping for.
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| # ? Jun 1, 2012 00:14 |
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strangemusic posted:I'm not sure if I saw it discussed in this thread yet, but I heard someone mention that the coat Joan wears to the sleazy Jaguar guy's place is the fur one Roger bought her - that she promised to think of him when she wore?
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| # ? Jun 1, 2012 00:19 |
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I'm sorry, I'm still firmly in the Peggy-remains-central-to-the-show-from-another-agency camp. It's a great opportunity to see another creative department at work (especially if it's seriously different from the way Don runs things), and it'll also be a chance for some really fun insight into SCDP's reputation. Besides, even if Peggy hits frustrating glass ceilings and works for a douchebag, she still has much better growth potential than anything SCDP had left for her. I severely doubt the show would leave that for an entire season just to have her come back to SCDP in some "The more things change, the more they stay the same!" schlock.
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| # ? Jun 1, 2012 01:47 |
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Finally caught up to the thread! I applaud Peggy's choice to leave and have her career grow. I hope we get to see more of Peggy becoming a success. Megan seems to be fighting Don due to the image of a neo-Betty he wants her to be. I think he is denial to who Megan really is. Joan, however, interested me the most. Tom and Lorenzo's analysis are spot on, especially with Joan's situation. I want to add that I think Joan became dead inside the moment she meets the Jaguar representative. The fur coat given by Roger is used as a reflection of situations. When she wore it the first time, she was meeting Roger with enthusiasm. In this case, she wore it in the hopes she can relieve it pretending the guy to be Roger but, she knows it's just an ugly sleaze-ball, the opposite of Roger Sterling. Joan knows the situation she was placed in, she knew what a weasel Pete is, and she knows deep down that even if Roger went against it, he didn't do enough to stop this meeting. It wasn't a gently caress you to Roger. It was more of "I'm wearing this fur coat to remind me of you not doing enough to stop this". You can see Roger stepping away, he didn't give up on Joan, he gave up his chance to protect her the way he wants to protect his son. His chance of helping her is gone and as much as he wants to, he knows Joan won't let him. And it's not Joan's fault either, Pete misrepresented everyone he talked to. She thought everyone was on board according to Pete, Don told her that wasn't the case. When I saw that scene replay, I cried because she was in a situation she cannot control. Her marriage fell apart and served papers at her place of work, the meeting with Pete, the encounter with the Jaguar man, all these broke her. She realized that she became a pawn to her company's success and she knew that if she had any future to continue being in a place interacting with the very men that did the okay on whoring her out, might as well ask to be made partner with shares. In my opinion, it is Joan's way of having some form of power to say "no" in the future. She learned fast and hard from these experiences; she's tired of these games the execs play on each other and her, so she is stepping in to save her son's future her way and not what Pete or Roger says how it should be done. Spatchcent fucked around with this message at Jun 1, 2012 around 02:47 |
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Athenry posted:Until Ms. Harris goes over her new investment and sees it. Holy poo poo, I just realized how boned Lane is: he just set it up so that the one person who could replace him in the actual area of his technical job (finances, signing checks) is now a partner. In other words, if the firm would have been hosed if they had to get rid of the guy who literally signs every check because he was embezzling, they are now less hosed because said embezzler just promoted an able replacement to his own level while trying to cover his tracks.
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DFu4ever posted:Nobody is going to kill themselves this season. However, the elevator shaft of doom is surely going to feast on someone at some point. If someone were to go down the shaft, I would bet on Lane taking it as an out because the embezzlement is about to catch up to him. He doesnt plan it but the empty shaft opens up and he takes the leap. Accidental death, his life insurance covers his family (or does it, since we have already been told about life insurance and how it might just pay the firm by Pete's commute buddy) and there's fallout all over the place from that.
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| # ? Jun 1, 2012 11:25 |
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Poor Rizzo, he'll be secretly devastated that Peggy left.
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| # ? Jun 1, 2012 11:51 |
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metztli posted:If someone were to go down the shaft, I would bet on Lane taking it as an out because the embezzlement is about to catch up to him. He doesnt plan it but the empty shaft opens up and he takes the leap. Accidental death, his life insurance covers his family (or does it, since we have already been told about life insurance and how it might just pay the firm by Pete's commute buddy) and there's fallout all over the place from that. This may be on point...
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| # ? Jun 1, 2012 13:41 |
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metztli posted:If someone were to go down the shaft, I would bet on Lane taking it as an out because the embezzlement is about to catch up to him. He doesnt plan it but the empty shaft opens up and he takes the leap. Accidental death, his life insurance covers his family (or does it, since we have already been told about life insurance and how it might just pay the firm by Pete's commute buddy) and there's fallout all over the place from that. That it might pay the firm could be why Lane does it, to "put bacl" the money he embezzled.
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TheShadowAvatar posted:With his anachronistic facial hair, love of Ayn Rand, and tentacle porn. Bert Cooper is the proto-Goon. What goons love Ayn Rand? There's nothing in this place but dirty hippies.
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| # ? Jun 1, 2012 15:26 |
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Vogler posted:What goons love Ayn Rand? There's nothing in this place but dirty hippies. How you forget Laissez's Fair
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| # ? Jun 1, 2012 15:29 |
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Also, to be fair, a lot of people like some of her work even if they think she's terrible. I loved The Fountainhead as much as I would have loved the opportunity to punch her in the face.
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| # ? Jun 1, 2012 15:42 |
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No one is going to fall into the elevator shaft. It was a cinematic one-off.
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| # ? Jun 1, 2012 16:16 |
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GutBomb posted:No one is going to fall into the elevator shaft. It was a cinematic one-off. I have occasionally wondered whether the shaft is an red herring or a symbol we've been collectively misinterpreting. If someone does end up falling down it, a building manager somewhere is going to be in deep trouble. 
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| # ? Jun 1, 2012 16:31 |
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DasNeonLicht posted:I have occasionally wondered whether the shaft is an red herring or a symbol we've been collectively misinterpreting. It's not even a red herring. It had a purpose, and it served it. It was to remind Don not to fall into old patterns. And it worked.
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Propaganda Machine posted:Also, to be fair, a lot of people like some of her work even if they think she's terrible. I loved The Fountainhead as much as I would have loved the opportunity to punch her in the face. As much as I hate to say it, I agree with a lot of her politics, but she's a hack writer in need of a good editor. Seriously, nobody gives a 180 page speech unless they're doing an old school filibuster, and even the old school filibusters figured that at a certain point, nobody was paying attention, might as well read the phone book.
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thrakkorzog posted:As much as I hate to say it, I agree with a lot of her politics, but she's a hack writer in need of a good editor. Seriously, nobody gives a 180 page speech unless they're doing an old school filibuster, and even the old school filibusters figured that at a certain point, nobody was paying attention, might as well read the phone book. http://galtse.cx/
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GutBomb posted:It's not even a red herring. It had a purpose, and it served it. It was to remind Don not to fall into old patterns. And it worked. It's so over-interpretable that Weiner had to know viewers would remember it and worry about it. I think you're right, but I don't think it's crazy to speculate that it was a Chekhov's gun. And it occurs to me that we've seen more elevator-button-pushing shots (and more shots inside elevators) in this season than in others. Am I wrong?
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^^^ And more shots of people going down, hey-yo!!!GutBomb posted:No one is going to fall into the elevator shaft. It was a cinematic one-off. I don't disagree; my theorizing was "if it happens" not that it actually would. Edit: I just don't think there would be any way to do it without it being contrived, which is why I don't think it would be done; if it were done, the way I'm imagining it would be one of the less horrible ways for them to do something dumb like that I can think of, but still not good. metztli fucked around with this message at Jun 1, 2012 around 21:09 |
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