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SpaceMost posted:I once ended up in a gay bar in DC because it was the only place still open in walking distance. I ordered a $9.00 Manhattan -- the bartender put in maybe an ounce of vermouth and topped it off with six ounces of whisky. Haha, I love the super strong drinks at gay bars, but I know not to order anything with more than two ingredients, unless it's a Long Island. In fact, I ordered a Long Island once, and the bartender brought me my drink saying, "So, we're out of Coke, so I just put in more whiskey."
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Pete spent so much time trying to become the guys that he thought were cool that he hasn't realized that nobody thinks they are cool any more. He's like a musician who finally got his big break opening for Poison in 1991. Hopefully he goes berzerk soon.
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kylejack posted:Now I'm going through this whole account and I forgot all about this scene, ahaha Poor Sal in that scene. He wishes it could be that easy. Dr Nick posted:http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=WsJS...feature=related  what?
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twistedmentat posted:Poor Sal in that scene. He wishes it could be that easy. kylejack fucked around with this message at May 11, 2012 around 17:51 |
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Dr Nick posted:http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=WsJS...feature=related that clip should have opened up with 'next week, on Mad Men'
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kylejack posted:These suburbs clowns are more like order-takers and if I actually ask them for a classic drink I have to actually tell them the proportions. I mean, learn your loving trade, man. Why should I tip a dude a dollar when he doesn't even attempt to learn what he's supposed to be doing? A dollar for taking a cap off a bottle for me, or pulling a pint? Ridiculous. I once ordered a greyhound in a dive bar because I didn't want a beer and though it would be a safe bet and I had to tell the bartender what the ingredients were for it. I got my order and immediately could tell it was skunky as if the bottle of grapefruit juice they had was expired or something. So I sent it back, the bartender tried it and told me that I don't know what I'm talking about.  He made me another nevertheless with a newly opened bottle of grapefruit juice.
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Well this is an excellent perspective on Megan and how things are changing with Mad Men: http://www.grantland.com/blog/holly...-alien-invasion
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JaundiceDave posted:Yes, he's trying to be like Don in that episode and fails. In this episode, without even realizing he's doing it, he succeeds. I don't think Pete is trying to be like Don. It seems like it, but it's just more about Pete being a man-child. Women are a thing he wants just like other things he wants. He doesn't really give a poo poo what he has to do in order to "get them." Part of his immaturity is shooting himself in the foot by trying to force things. Sometimes it can get him what he wants, but a lot of times it can't. He doesn't succeed at being Don Draper in this episode. He fails. Don wouldn't have acted so rashly and been so clearly needy. That first encounter may have gone similarly, but Don never would have pulled the coming over for dinner stunt.
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ErIog posted:He doesn't succeed at being Don Draper in this episode. He fails. Don wouldn't have acted so rashly and been so clearly needy. That first encounter may have gone similarly, but Don never would have pulled the coming over for dinner stunt. It's all about need, I think. When Don cheated it was usually for emotional reasons -- note that his one night stands are actually pretty few and far between. Pete was always much more fixated on power before, but he was remarkably open and vulnerable with Beth after their hookup. Which means it's now just a question of how badly things will end.
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Dr Nick posted:http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=WsJS...feature=related http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fjg5...feature=related Another video I saw there. Looking at this you can see how much Don has aged in the past few years. I really do think they are laying some subtle makeup on Hamm because it hasn't really been that long IRL. The contrast between happy Don of now and Emo Don of the early seasons is so marked too when you watch this now.
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I love you, show, for having me cried out the best tears ever. Rivers of joy slowly strolling down my cheeks with eyes the size of a CD when it became clear that no last-minute bombing of Don's apartment would take place to prevent a frigging Beatles song from being played on Mad Men. With the perfect title to mesh with the story, marry the story, put a frakking huge sign on what the story was about right then. If an image is worth a thousand words, a song is worth a thousand images. Matt Weiner is my hero of the week. The year. gently caress that, of the entire decade. Yesterday never knew that this would ever, ever, ever happen.
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AWWNAW posted:Well this is an excellent perspective on Megan and how things are changing with Mad Men: quote:Like a true hobo, her greatest strength lies in her ability to walk away. After she spat out his sherbet, Don drove off in a huff, but Megan was the one who vanished. I am still stuck on this, I know. I don't understand what is heroic about pointedly eating and spitefully spitting out orange sherbert. A complete lack of basic social norms and refusal to even try to develop a taste for something new and unusual? Yeah, stick it to the square old fogey patriarchy, I guess, or something. Maybe suggesting he start with "Tomorrow Never Knows" was her sherbert vengeance. Maybe Cool "just taste it" Whip was inspired by real life events. But whatever the case, even Sally can be a grown-up in a public setting and tentatively nibble fish.
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Liebfraumilch posted:I am still stuck on this, I know. I don't understand what is heroic about pointedly eating and spitefully spitting out orange sherbert. A complete lack of basic social norms and refusal to even try to develop a taste for something new and unusual? Yeah, stick it to the square old fogey patriarchy, I guess, or something. Maybe suggesting he start with "Tomorrow Never Knows" was her sherbert vengeance. Maybe Cool "just taste it" Whip was inspired by real life events. But whatever the case, even Sally can be a grown-up in a public setting and tentatively nibble fish. I wouldn't call it heroic, but I would say she was trying to get the point across that she didn't appreciate being treated like a little kid in that scene. She didn't refuse to try it, she tried it and it tasted like perfume. Hadn't they just ordered one of everything? I wouldn't want to end my meal with something that tastes nasty either. But Don just had to keep pushing her like he would Sally. So, she went all in and acted like a little kid since it seems like he wasn't going to allow her to act like the adult she is, one that knows her own mind and can make decisions about how much sherbet she'll consume.
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Astroman posted:http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fjg5...feature=related It's rather astonishing to take the bravado in his little speech in that scene with its quasi-Orwellian "We control Desire" kinda vibe and compare it to recent client requests (Heinz, Chevalier Blanc) that the commercial confirm to the established interests of the consumer. "I will tell you what you want" versus "Tell me what you want". Not that this is at all a surprise, but the contrast is remarkable all the same.
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trinity3infinity posted:I once ordered a greyhound in a dive bar because I didn't want a beer and though it would be a safe bet and I had to tell the bartender what the ingredients were for it. I got my order and immediately could tell it was skunky as if the bottle of grapefruit juice they had was expired or something. So I sent it back, the bartender tried it and told me that I don't know what I'm talking about.
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kylejack posted:Nice, he tells you the drink he never heard of before tastes the way it's supposed to taste. To be fair, a greyhound is literally vodka and grapefruit juice, so a) it was kinda douchey to not just say that (a "greyhound" is simply not as ubiquitous as a screwdriver), and b) it wouldn't be unusual (though incorrect) for a bartender to get irritated when someone demands you open a whole new bottle of grapefruit juice just for you.
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The Modern Leper posted:To be fair, a greyhound is literally vodka and grapefruit juice, so a) it was kinda douchey to not just say that (a "greyhound" is simply not as ubiquitous as a screwdriver), and b) it wouldn't be unusual (though incorrect) for a bartender to get irritated when someone demands you open a whole new bottle of grapefruit juice just for you. I'm pretty sure that it isn't douchey to expect a bartender to know what a greyhound is. I'm also pretty sure that if a bar fails to rotate its stock and lets a bottle of juice get moldy, you are well within your rights to complain about it.
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Liebfraumilch posted:I am still stuck on this, I know. I don't understand what is heroic about pointedly eating and spitefully spitting out orange sherbert. A complete lack of basic social norms and refusal to even try to develop a taste for something new and unusual? Yeah, stick it to the square old fogey patriarchy, I guess, or something. Maybe suggesting he start with "Tomorrow Never Knows" was her sherbert vengeance. Maybe Cool "just taste it" Whip was inspired by real life events. But whatever the case, even Sally can be a grown-up in a public setting and tentatively nibble fish.
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Astroman posted:I really do think they are laying some subtle makeup on Hamm because it hasn't really been that long IRL. I feel like they're doing that with Pete as well. Vincent Kartheiser still has his boyish looks in real life, but on TV he's got a receding hairline.
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Something else about that scene that I noticed, and I don't know if it was mentioned before, Don might not be intentionally coddling or infantilizing Megan. From his perspective he might've been trying to treat her as an equal and professional partner who's trying to put on a respectful outward appearance for a client. He's just completely incapable of seeing how his actions could be viewed by Megan as patronizing and insulting. Are his actions sexist? Yes, but it could be more from a deep-rooted, subconscious place than simply trying to "keep Megan in her place". The world is changing, women are getting fed up with the bullshit, and dinosaurs like Don are left scratching their heads wondering what all the fuss is about.
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Yeah, I think Megan is a little bit more modern and forthright than Don is used to. She's not Peggy, but she's more assertive of herself than Betty was, and he doesn't know how to handle that. Not that he liked being with Betty, in the long run, but he's realizing now it's more a marriage of equals than he wanted or anticipated. Not that it wouldn't be good for him, again in the long run- I think there's something in Megan that is good for Don, she knows how to handle him better than others. But it comes down to whether or not he can hang on to her. I think Megan may end up being key to Don's ultimate fate, whatever it is.
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Tewratomeh posted:Something else about that scene that I noticed, and I don't know if it was mentioned before, Don might not be intentionally coddling or infantilizing Megan. From his perspective he might've been trying to treat her as an equal and professional partner who's trying to put on a respectful outward appearance for a client. He's just completely incapable of seeing how his actions could be viewed by Megan as patronizing and insulting. Of course you're right. In fact, I wonder if the introduction of Megan might be a mechanism to begin showing the audience that the Dons of the early 60s are the fuddy-duddy grandparents of today who don't understand how computers work or why the gays are on TV.
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I just realized that Sterling first praised Cosgrove for getting published back in the first season: "Cosgrove, I'm serious, I think it shows tremendous fortitude and I'd like to see more of it around here, people finishing things. I guarantee that in the bottom drawer of every desk in this place is the first ten pages of a novel."
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FetusOvaries posted:Jon Hamm looks like he doesn't get much sleep He looks positively haggard, sunken cheeks, bulging eyes. What the hell Jon Hamm? It looks like you need to eat more.
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passionate dongs posted:The comparison to Sally shows that you completely missed the point. Megan isn't a child. That was the whole point of that episode. Megan was frustrated being coddled as such. I guess I thought my point was that Sally wasn't an adult but she could still act like one in public? It was a bitchy and immature way to prove whatever she was aiming to prove. I have tried many things I didn't find I like, at the urging of grandparents, friends, whoever; and there are more adult ways to show you gave it a shot and just don't see the appeal than embarrassing yourself and your companion and even the waitstaff. Being "coddled" would mean Megan would get her damned pie and never have to bother herself to explore new things. If Don regurgitated her boeuf Bourguignon because he wants chicken loving salad, I would be just as appalled...but so would every other viewer.
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Liebfraumilch posted:I guess I thought my point was that Sally wasn't an adult but she could still act like one in public? It was a bitchy and immature way to prove whatever she was aiming to prove. It wasn't about the sherbert. It's never about the sherbert.
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Liebfraumilch posted:If Don regurgitated her boeuf Bourguignon because he wants chicken loving salad, I would be just as appalled Would you call it bitchy?
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Liebfraumilch posted:Being "coddled" would mean Megan would get her damned pie and never have to bother herself to explore new things. They misused a word, and probably meant to use "scolded" or something similar there. Possibly "groomed" or "treated", but their point still stands even when you pick apart their grammar and word usage.
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Elftor posted:Would you call it bitchy? Although that suits Pete, I guess when in a pinch for Don I might go with "prick move". Because it would be a pretty big prick move to spit out something she wanted to share because he suggested meat loaf instead. EDIT: The point of my adding this in the first place was that everyone would probably agree Don was a rude rear end in a top hat if he did that. Everyone talks about how great it is that Megan is challenging Don--making him go out when he would rather spend time in, putting him through an embarrassing party that she wanted and should have known he didn't, and all the other stuff I think has been brought up before--so consensus is it's okay to pull a turtle out of his shell but trying to get a young woman to do something she is not thrilled about is...a prick move. You remember Megan was complaining about her coworkers after her ridiculous angry carpet tantrum, right, so Don thought he was doing a fun thing by skipping class with her and speeding off to catch some lunch "on business". Couples get in moods. That's fine. But I can never see that episode as being some sort of positive light on her character. Liebfraumilch fucked around with this message at May 13, 2012 around 02:51 |
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Liebfraumilch posted:Although that suits Pete, I guess when in a pinch for Don I might go with "prick move". Because it would be a pretty big prick move to spit out something she wanted to share because he suggested meat loaf instead. EDIT: The point of my adding this in the first place was that everyone would probably agree Don was a rude rear end in a top hat if he did that. I am not sure where you're reading this surge of heroic approbation for Megan's actions, especially considering the article you quoted uses two points of reference for her: a hobo, and Galactus. It is interesting to see you parse the difference between what makes someone "bitchy" and what makes someone a "prick", though.
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CharlieFoxtrot posted:I am not sure where you're reading this surge of heroic approbation for Megan's actions, especially considering the article you quoted uses two points of reference for her: a hobo, and Galactus. Mad Men: A Hobo and Galactus
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If Galactus spat out the orange sherbert, would that make him a bitch?
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Liebfraumilch posted:I guess I thought my point was that Sally wasn't an adult but she could still act like one in public? It was a bitchy and immature way to prove whatever she was aiming to prove. So finally, after being treated like a child for the last time, she lampoons being a child. passionate dongs fucked around with this message at May 13, 2012 around 03:20 |
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passionate dongs posted:The entire episode up to the sherbet scene was about how Don was making Megan do thing she didn't want to do, like a child. Don then insisted on Megan try something, telling her that she didn't know what was best for herself, like a child. Megan even tries the sherbet in a "non-bitchy, immature" way, and Don takes her trying it and not liking it (after she already said she didn't like the flavor) as an attempt to embarrass him. And on top of this, he made her look like the boss' plaything at work who can play hooky whenever while the rest of the grunts have to pick up her slack, further making her feel powerless and childish under him. Megan never did anything like that to Don in those other situations.
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I guess I should have gone with the unisex "pissy" so you would have to ask me if I meant standing or sitting before going ahead with your assumptions. If you are circling me as a person, looking for blood, I just want to say that in threads for previous seasons, I was never faithfully in Don's corner. I think he's pretty awful just for making his brother feel like such poo poo he went ahead and killed himself. drat straight I keep score. Usually, I sided with Betty and felt I could actually trace and understand and sympathize with her moves. But my distaste for Megan this season has nothing to do with Don love or being on Team Betty and everything to do with the suspicion she is a smarter version of Jane who will alienate the man she said she admired and agreed to marry until he no longer feels relevant to her as she decides she wants to be a copywriter...no, an actress...no, a rich divorcée! passionate dongs posted:The entire episode up to the sherbet scene was about how Don was making Megan do thing she didn't want to do, like a child. Don then insisted on Megan try something, telling her that she didn't know what was best for herself, like a child. Megan even tries the sherbet in a non "bitchy, immature" way, and Don takes her trying it and not liking it (after she already said she didn't like the flavor) as an attempt to embarrass him. McSpanky posted:And on top of this, he made her look like the boss' plaything at work who can play hooky whenever while the rest of the grunts have to pick up her slack, further making her feel powerless and childish under him. Megan never did anything like that to Don in those other situations. She just got done telling him how she did not like working with those people. He thought it would be welcome that he springs her out for a day with just the two of them. And now she is championing them at the table to what purpose? Liebfraumilch fucked around with this message at May 13, 2012 around 03:29 |
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Liebfraumilch posted:She just got done telling him how she did not like working with those people. He thought it would be welcome that he springs her out for a day with just the two of them. And now she is championing them at the table to what purpose? The entire arc of the season thus far has been about how Don's invalidation of Megan's feelings isn't something she is going to take and that she actually has opinions that she asserts to Don. Don doesn't know how to deal with this because he's used to the idyllic 50's family dynamic where the man of the house decides how everything works.
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twistedmentat posted:Started playing LA Noire again, and its funny just how many people from Mad Men are in it. One? Also, perfect thread title. Peggy's "PIZZA HOUSE!" voice was the funniest thing I've ever seen on this show.
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Liebfraumilch posted:I guess I should have gone with the unisex "pissy" so you would have to ask me if I meant standing or sitting before going ahead with your assumptions. Also, I really can't get behind your opinion that Megan needs to try to tone down her opinions and decisions so they fit Don's ideas and desires in order not to alienate him. Why should she be the one that gives up on her dreams or swallows her issues with the way their marriage is playing out in order to make him feel more comfortable? Sure that's what men expected back in the 60s, but that doesn't mean they were right to, or that it didn't make for miserable marriages.
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babydonthurtme posted:Dude no one is circling you for blood. People just seem to be trying to figure out why you view what Megan did in such a bad light when most people in here thought that the reasons for her childish (or "bitchy") behavior were pretty clear cut. Your word choice when you explained yourself didn't help, obviously, but whatever. I guess all of this is a case for longer, more thoughtful engagements. Don is the aging guy she seduced on a couch and eventually married. Megan is turning out not to be the "I like you as you are/I want to do what you do/I'm not awkward with kids at all" woman that Don proposed to. It's just a matter of time before they are in separate worlds when Don proposed to a woman who sold him on the hope they would not be.
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Liebfraumilch posted:I guess all of this is a case for longer, more thoughtful engagements. Don is the aging guy she seduced on a couch and eventually married. Megan is turning out not to be the "I like you as you are/I want to do what you do/I'm not awkward with kids at all" woman that Don proposed to. It's just a matter of time before they are in separate worlds when Don proposed to a woman who sold him on the hope they would not be. And come on, saying "I like you as you are" at the starry-eyed beginning of a relationship doesn't mean that telling your partner off for being surprisingly jerky is somehow forbidden later. None of the things Megan has changed her mind about should be dealbreakers for someone in love with here, seriously.
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