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Meow Cadet posted:I simply thought she was on birth control, being the young stylish girl that she is. Of course, WE know now that birth control isn't 100% fool proof, but did they know that back then? Oh, I remember thinking this last night as well... but I forgot today. That makes sense. I'm just trying to predict what the Don/Megan conflict is going to be this season. Pregnancy seems to have been hinted at so much, but as another poster pointed out, that does seem somewhat "cheap."
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Himuro posted:Thanks for this. I was coming into this thread again specifically to ask for a transcript of the voice over at the end. Goddamn, Cosgrove. I feel like the music in the credits is as integral to that utterly magnificent ending as anything else - the fact that as it cuts to them, they immediately start playing a very particular section of The Ninth - specifically, the section when the "ode to joy" melody kicks in for the very first time, which is not loud and bombastic but actually rather deep, quiet, low, and gentle. Too bad we had the goddamn preview for the next episode ruin it, a bit. It's going to be so much better on DVD without that.
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| # ? Apr 16, 2012 22:24 |
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passionate dongs posted:Ken kind of frat-boyed it up the first couple of seasons, but that slowly faded away. I'm not sure if that was an error of an unfleshed out character (he was really creepy in the first episode) or if it was meant to be taken that he changed -- possibly by pursuing his own passion, getting married, or both. I really do hope that Ken is the on person on the show who gets married, calms down and starts to behave himself. I suppose Lane is kind of like that, while he did have a moment or several of infidelity that was during the supposed break up with his wife where his son wouldn't even go see him. All for a reason that wasn't even his fault.
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| # ? Apr 16, 2012 22:28 |
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This is just bogus speculation on my part, but with all the Pete suicide talk, is it possible that he's a family annihilator type?
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| # ? Apr 16, 2012 22:32 |
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Bulgaroktonos posted:This is just bogus speculation on my part, but with all the Pete suicide talk, is it possible that he's a family annihilator type? Not at all. He's ultimately meek and self-hating, the opposite of a family annihilator type. Those people are delusional and self-aggrandizing and believe that their family's lives would be empty and meaningless without them. If anything, Pete would feel that his family would be better off with him out of the way.
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| # ? Apr 16, 2012 22:35 |
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Bulgaroktonos posted:This is just bogus speculation on my part, but with all the Pete suicide talk, is it possible that he's a family annihilator type? The historical subtext so far this season has been random violence and Pete's mentioned a gun a couple times. I don't know though.
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| # ? Apr 16, 2012 22:35 |
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Drewsky posted:The historical subtext so far this season has been random violence and Pete's mentioned a gun a couple times. I don't know though. I don't think he will because it would be too big of a story inserted into the timeline. Mad Men has always taken place off to the side of real events, and something like a man murdering his wife and child would intrude on them staying realistic and "neutral" to the actual sixties happening.
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| # ? Apr 16, 2012 22:42 |
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TheShadowAvatar posted:I really do hope that Ken is the on person on the show who gets married, calms down and starts to behave himself. I suppose Lane is kind of like that, while he did have a moment or several of infidelity that was during the supposed break up with his wife where his son wouldn't even go see him. All for a reason that wasn't even his fault. I always joked with people when talking about the show that Ken was the only honorable man in the office, mostly because they didn't take the screen time to show his infidelity and scheming. It was nice to see in this episode that he just seems to be an introspective, decent man, who rather than being out carousing at a whorehouse with the rest of them, is faithfully by his wife in bed, writing stories. I'd like if they continued to flesh Ken out some more, as like others have said he was by far the most one-dimensional regular until this episode. And I wouldn't call Lane honorable. Even just in this episode he cheated on his wife by kissing Joan and harbored severe lust over that photograph of the beautiful woman in that wallet he found. If she had come into the office to retrieve it, he undoubtedly would have made a move on her. world b lee fucked around with this message at Apr 16, 2012 around 22:50 |
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Pete isn't literally going to shoot anyone unless it's a lawnmower-style accident. The gun is foreboding because it's a perfect representation of him being willing to do dumb, destructive things to soothe his need to feel masculine and in control.
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| # ? Apr 16, 2012 22:50 |
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world b lee posted:I always joked with people when talking about the show that Ken was the only honorable man in the office, mostly because they didn't take the screen time to show his infidelity and scheming. It was nice to see in this episode that he just seems to be an introspective, decent man, who rather than being out carousing at a whorehouse with the rest of them, is faithfully by his wife in bed, writing stories. I'd like if they continued to flesh Ken out some more, as like others have said he was by far the most one-dimensional regular until this episode. I would say that Cooper is pretty one dimensional.
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| # ? Apr 16, 2012 22:51 |
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TheShadowAvatar posted:I really do hope that Ken is the on person on the show who gets married, calms down and starts to behave himself. I suppose Lane is kind of like that, while he did have a moment or several of infidelity that was during the supposed break up with his wife where his son wouldn't even go see him. All for a reason that wasn't even his fault.
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| # ? Apr 16, 2012 22:53 |
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"Signal 30" wasn't just a great episode of Mad Men, I really think it was one of the top 10 best episodes of TV I've ever watched.
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HanabaL03 posted:"Signal 30" wasn't just a great episode of Mad Men, I really think it was one of the top 10 best episodes of TV I've ever watched. I'll agree with this. It's definitely in the same hallowed ground as "The Suitcase", "Carousel", and the pilot.
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| # ? Apr 16, 2012 23:08 |
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bobkatt013 posted:I would say that Cooper is pretty one dimensional. I agree, and would say he's usurped Ken as most one-dimensional regular. At least with Cooper we knew about some of his past involving his romance with the elderly secretary and his lack of testicles.
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| # ? Apr 16, 2012 23:15 |
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kylejack posted:Ken's married and did calm down. He got in trouble with Roger because Roger thinks account execs have to party every night and don't have time to write books on the side. I have to agree with the AV club review, and say that I think Roger's reprimanding of Ken had a hell of a lot more to do with pure resentment and envy than anything concrete. Roger is pissed because he legitimately wanted his book to be a success, and made a fairly big deal about writing his memoirs only for the thing to fail miserably and be revealed as the deluded vanity project that it always was. Finding out that Ken has been a fairly successful writer under a nom de plume the entire time pisses him off doubly, because not only does it mean that Ken's actually talented (unlike Roger) but also that his writing was totally unmotivated by ego (unlike Roger). That's how I took that scene, anyway.
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| # ? Apr 16, 2012 23:35 |
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I could see a situation where Pete is close to killing himself in the office and Roger unknowingly interrupts.
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| # ? Apr 17, 2012 00:05 |
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sportsgenius86 posted:I could see a situation where Pete is close to killing himself in the office and Roger unknowingly interrupts. It's interesting to speculate since they've shown the rifle once this season and mentioned it again this episode. It's like the famous rule of writing that says if Chekhov returns a Chip n' Dip in act one, the gun he got for store credit drat well better go off in act three.
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| # ? Apr 17, 2012 00:18 |
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Whatever happens with Pete and/or the gun, I have a feeling it won't be anything anyone predicts ahead of time. (well, maybe one random person in a sea of predictions, but ya know...) Just seems like the show won't fall into any of the normal expectations.
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| # ? Apr 17, 2012 00:20 |
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Himuro posted:I love how direct they're taking the characters this season. Pete seemed to have a well adjusted family life (for the most part) before this season. This latest episode, he cries in an elevator and glares at a teenage girl getting finger banged by an young, hot jock he unsuccessfully coerced. Pete was utterly, devastatingly emasculated this episode. Which is funny, because I always thought that's the "ad" of life that Pete bought into. Indeed. Pete also tried and failed to be like Don when he raped the Au Pair. Don would have sealed that deal or walked away, and that ep, IIRC, had a parallel Don sex storyline showing just how inadequate Pete was. Pete's biggest problem was that he saw how Don lived the past 4 or so years and made the mistake of thinking all that cheating made Don happy, when in reality we know Don was miserable. Pete thinks along with the check boxes of Trophy Wife, Kid, House in the Burbs, Nice Office, is Cheating. The sad thing is he has Don to tell him, "no, don't do this, you don't have to waste the next 10 years figuring it out like I did" but he won't listen. A couple other points: -I think Roger's advice to Lane was actually good and it was a good moment to show Roger still has some juice. The problem is those tactics would work 90% of the time and Lane happened to hit the 10% client it wouldn't work on. Roger probably could have compensated; Lane lacked the experience. -I disagree that Don is suddenly "checked out" or ineffectual at work. If anything, he was when he was drinking and making bad decisions last season. Now he's settling into a proper statesmanlike role as a partner. We should absolutely see Don defer the creative to the young guns like Peggy, the fratboy, and the new Jewish kid. Don should be moving into Roger role as client winer and diner, and perhaps Megan's attempts to socialize him will facilitate that. Meanwhile Roger should accept his Bertization, and enjoy being the guy who hangs around the office, drinks, and dispenses sage advice every so often.
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Wasn't Pete always supposed to die in the first season, or at the very least disappear, until Matthew Weiner fell in love with Vincent's performance? Maybe the gun has been waiting since then for the right moment, though I doubt he'll really kill himself.
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| # ? Apr 17, 2012 00:29 |
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world b lee posted:I agree, and would say he's usurped Ken as most one-dimensional regular. At least with Cooper we knew about some of his past involving his romance with the elderly secretary and his lack of testicles. We saw some slightly more human sides to Cooper during the meeting with him giving Roger a neck massage 
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Astroman posted:A couple other points:
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IanTheM posted:Wasn't Pete always supposed to die in the first season, or at the very least disappear, until Matthew Weiner fell in love with Vincent's performance? Maybe the gun has been waiting since then for the right moment, though I doubt he'll really kill himself. Are you sure you aren't thinking of Jesse from Breaking Bad?
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Astroman posted:A couple other points: He could have pivoted on his dissatisfaction with being a supply clerk in WWII and used that to build their relationship as compatriot Britons who fought the Nazis. Or, he could have turned his disinterest in gardening into letting the Jaguar guy sell him on it. Or, he could have asked Jaguar for advice on how to get his wife to enjoy herself more in the States. As Roger said, the whole point was to build a dialogue so the client feels like they have a special relationship with you. Instead he apparently went off on a tangent about how much his melancholic wife hates America. Oh, Lane... Ofc. Sex Robot BPD fucked around with this message at Apr 17, 2012 around 01:00 |
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kylejack posted:Yeah, easy to see Roger in that situation thinking, "Well, looks like this guy has no problems. Guess he wants to party!" I'm pretty sure Roger lit up when Jaguar Guy said he wanted to have some fun.
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Astroman posted:Indeed. Pete also tried and failed to be like Don when he raped the Au Pair. Don would have sealed that deal or walked away, and that ep, IIRC, had a parallel Don sex storyline showing just how inadequate Pete was.
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Strong Sauce posted:It wasn't suppose to actually be a surprise sex, just the actress didn't react well.
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| # ? Apr 17, 2012 01:18 |
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kylejack posted:Too late, that ship has sailed. They should have re-shot it if they wanted to tell the story differently. No way. Something happened on screen that you thought was a nod to surprise sex, and it wasn't. I'm all for "death of the author" but at no point was there an explicit acknowledgement of a surprise sex occurring.
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windwaker posted:No way. Something happened on screen that you thought was a nod to surprise sex, and it wasn't. Doesn't the employer confront Pete later on about how the Au Pair wouldn't stop crying or something? The original scene might have been ambiguous (not really) but that's not the only mention of it.
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God I fucking love Diablo 3 gold, it even paid for this shitty title
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windwaker posted:No way. Something happened on screen that you thought was a nod to surprise sex, and it wasn't. Not to really continue this derail, but whatever the writer's, the actor's and the director's intentions, it isn't difficult to say that Pete raped the au pair. Now, that wasn't a character defining moment like Joan's husband.
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| # ? Apr 17, 2012 01:41 |
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For the love of god, I was really hoping we weren't going to get into this argument again. But I guess it's a Pete Campbell-centric episode, so right on cue, here we go...
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| # ? Apr 17, 2012 01:41 |
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world b lee posted:
Lane hates his wife and wanted to leave her a long time ago. They don't love each other and probably never have (especially with the "my father loves football" line.) He has been desperately trying to leave his old life behind for years and England keeps sticking to him.
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| # ? Apr 17, 2012 01:55 |
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I just finished episode four, and every scene with Don at home struck me as very Lynchian. Then I read here that it was the actor from Twin Peaks. A thing like that. Every part of that felt uneasy in that fever dream way, even before things got really weird. I'm pretty sure the woman's hair color changes too, immediately after she's killed, and when he's kicking her under the bed, she moves more than she's being kicked, like she's being pulled. All three of those scenes were beautifully done.
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LouDog004 posted:I just finished episode four, and every scene with Don at home struck me as very Lynchian. Then I read here that it was the actor from Twin Peaks. A thing like that. Every part of that felt uneasy in that fever dream way, even before things got really weird. I'm pretty sure the woman's hair color changes too, immediately after she's killed, and when he's kicking her under the bed, she moves more than she's being kicked, like she's being pulled. All three of those scenes were beautifully done. e: \/ True. And it's entirely possible that it was meant to come across more legit but something was lost in translation between the filming and editing. However, I do think it's a mistake to not acknowledge how rapey it was just because, on paper, it maybe wasn't meant to be that way. Ofc. Sex Robot BPD fucked around with this message at Apr 17, 2012 around 02:16 |
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windwaker posted:No way. Something happened on screen that you thought was a nod to surprise sex, and it wasn't. kylejack fucked around with this message at Apr 17, 2012 around 02:14 |
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I have a very quick question; I looked through the past few pages, but I didn't see anything about this. During the dinner party after the sick breaks does Pete call Don, Dick, before he runs out of the room to find something to stop the water?
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| # ? Apr 17, 2012 02:18 |
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windwaker posted:Are you sure you aren't thinking of Jesse from Breaking Bad? It wasn't Pete they planned to kill off at the end of season 1 - it was Harry Crane. They were going to have him throw himself off the building because of his domestic problems at the end of season 1 (cheating on his wife with Hildy). They decided not to go with that plan, which turned out to be awesome because Harry Crane is hilarious.
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Chamberk posted:It wasn't Pete they planned to kill off at the end of season 1 - it was Harry Crane. They were going to have him throw himself off the building because of his domestic problems at the end of season 1 (cheating on his wife with Hildy). I'll just quote Wikipedia: quote:1965: First broadcast of Days of our Lives, Get Smart, Hogan's Heroes, Till Death Us Do Part, Des chiffres et des lettres, Tomorrow's World, Top of the Pops, The Magic Roundabout and The War Game; Nigeria is the first African country to receive TV TV's already a big deal at this point but they still treat Harry like he's unimportant.
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SpaceMost posted:I'm still waiting for them to do something substantive with TV for him. The main reason is because at no point has it been shown that Harry is actually good at his job in any way.
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