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Internet Kraken posted:Not just cyber leaves, but cyber clothing as well! Everything in synthesis has glowy bits now! There's a little Shepard in everything! Even with everything that happens in ME that is pretty far fetched, inorganic and organic as one thanks to some kind of green wave is so goddamn dumb. What the hell is the point of it? What makes it functionally different? How the gently caress does your robo dna decide what is meat and what is metal? How do they work in concert? How does your body replicate the inorganic matter to emulate cellular growth? Where the gently caress does your body get the gold, the lithium, the steel, the silicon, the ANYTHING to make this happen? Are we walking alchemical devices making something from nothing aaaaaaargh this is stupid synthesis is so loving stupid
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ImpAtom posted:As far as Mass Effect is concerned? Pretty much. That's the point of a large part of the Geth plot.
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Beanpants posted:Even with everything that happens in ME that is pretty far fetched, inorganic and organic as one thanks to some kind of green wave is so goddamn dumb. What the hell is the point of it? What makes it functionally different? How the gently caress does your robo dna decide what is meat and what is metal? How do they work in concert? How does your body replicate the inorganic matter to emulate cellular growth? Where the gently caress does your body get the gold, the lithium, the steel, the silicon, the ANYTHING to make this happen? Are we walking alchemical devices making something from nothing aaaaaaargh this is stupid synthesis is so loving stupid Plus nobody seems very bothered by the fact that they glow green and have big chunks of metal popping out of their flesh. And since Shepard's dead, there will literally never be any explanation for anyone in the entire galaxy. Everybody suddenly had metal bits in them and then the Reapers left and blew up the relays. Imagine if you woke up tomorrow and suddenly everybody on the planet was purple and nobody knew why. That would gently caress your poo poo up.
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Mister Bates posted:Also, since 'organic' means carbon-based, what about life in the Mass Effect universe that doesn't have a carbon-based biochemistry? At least some silicon-based life is mentioned in the fluff, for example. Are they just unaffected by the synthesis ending? They're not synthetic, but they're not organic either. Pretty sure the Turians and Quarians are both silicon-based.
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I'm watching my boyfriend complete the game, he just killed KL and I almost quoted the line, "That's for Thane, you son of a bitch." Very similar to what Shepard said. The game was everything I wanted in a story and I'm crying because I know in the end nothing mattered. This may be the artistic point Bioware was making, but I reject it. I matter, Shepard matters, my love interest matters, the galaxy matters and screw Bioware for trying to make me think different, because I'm Shepard and I do the impossible. Maybe, in the end, like with the first three Star Wars and the second and third Matrix movies, we, as a community will decide Mass Effect 3 didn't happen. It doesn't matter how epic the story is because the closure isn't there and maybe won't ever be. This is why I have decided to write my own story, in my mind, not perfect, but enough to make me happy with the Mass Effect story.
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Finally completed this. What
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Mister Bates posted:Also, since 'organic' means carbon-based, what about life in the Mass Effect universe that doesn't have a carbon-based biochemistry? At least some silicon-based life is mentioned in the fluff, for example. Are they just unaffected by the synthesis ending? They're not synthetic, but they're not organic either. You're certainly right there, but I think ME made the same mistake I did. Namely, being lazy and associating "organic life," with cellular or tissue based life. But you're certainly correct that "organic life," would specifically only encompass carbon-based life as far as I know.
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Jesus Christ, I got curious because of all the news and poo poo and went and read the endings, and loving hell I have no motivation to even finish the game now. I'm only a quarter of the way through and was having a blast as well. Why the gently caress did they have to make it destroy all of the relays and thus civilization, you know, that thing I spent the last 2 games saving? Hell that basically condemns all of the known species to either extinction or reversion to pre-industrial age society since this would be like cutting the modern world completely off of oil, coal, and hell even metal. You are essentially doing what the Reapers have been doing for millenia, only this time permanently. There will never be galactic culture again, and you just condemned most people in sentient races to die of starvation
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Beanpants posted:Even with everything that happens in ME that is pretty far fetched, inorganic and organic as one thanks to some kind of green wave is so goddamn dumb. What the hell is the point of it? What makes it functionally different? How the gently caress does your robo dna decide what is meat and what is metal? How do they work in concert? How does your body replicate the inorganic matter to emulate cellular growth? Where the gently caress does your body get the gold, the lithium, the steel, the silicon, the ANYTHING to make this happen? Are we walking alchemical devices making something from nothing aaaaaaargh this is stupid synthesis is so loving stupid The sad thing is that it had the potential to be really cool in the hands of an even marginally competent writer who actually put some thought into the concept. I'm nowhere close to a competent writer, so I'm not even going to try to write out a better version, but I will put together a basic summary that I thought of in literally seconds, because it was what I assumed the Synthesis ending was going to be anyway when the Starchild brought it up. I've mentioned this in passing earlier in the thread, but it was like fifty pages back. Even if you're using a literal deus ex machina (which is what the Crucible is), and even if you're using SPACE MAGIC!, creating a 'new framework' for life, a 'new DNA' as the kid puts it, is a really loving big deal. Radically altering the biochemistry of every living thing in the galaxy would also kill every living thing in the galaxy, wiping the slate clean and seeding every formerly inhabited planet in the galaxy with a sort of primordial soup of the necessary chemical compounds to create your 'new framework' of life. It would still be an unpleasant ending, because you're literally committing the worst act of genocide that it is possible to commit, exterminating all life right down to the microbial level. But it would at least be an interesting one, and it's actually the one I thought Bioware was going with before I saw the ending cinematic.
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Nombres posted:I'd be willing to let them settle on a single canon result if it meant they could really flesh it out. Honestly I expected a single canon ending. I figured your actions would inform the end sequence of events much like the end run in ME2. I also expected to hear Harbinger talk at least once From the moment Hackett told Shepard "Something's wrong. It's not working" I figured Shepard would have to figure out how to get the Crucible to fire, Harbinger would realise what was going on and full tilt at the citadel to stop you. Saved the Krogan? Scenes of the Krogan slowing Harbinger's ascent. Saved the Geth? Geth ships slowing Harbingers progress. Helped Salarians? "Hold the Line. Buy Shepard more time." etc. Seriously - more loving Harbinger. Axialbloom fucked around with this message at Mar 15, 2012 around 05:46 |
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WoodrowSkillson posted:Jesus Christ, I got curious because of all the news and poo poo and went and read the endings, and loving hell I have no motivation to even finish the game now. I'm only a quarter of the way through and was having a blast as well.
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WoodrowSkillson posted:Jesus Christ, I got curious because of all the news and poo poo and went and read the endings, and loving hell I have no motivation to even finish the game now. I'm only a quarter of the way through and was having a blast as well. It's just the ending that stinks.
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So if anything organic now has to have inorganic components to it, does that go vice versa as well? What I'm saying is this: Is Mt. Everest now filled with guts?
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Lloyd Boner posted:Pretty sure the Turians and Quarians are both silicon-based. No, they're still carbon-based. They just use different proteins in their DNA or something. The Volus might have a different biochemistry but apart from their atmosphere being poisonous to other species its never specified.
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Nombres posted:You're certainly right there, but I think ME made the same mistake I did. Namely, being lazy and associating "organic life," with cellular or tissue based life. But you're certainly correct that "organic life," would specifically only encompass carbon-based life as far as I know. That bothered me a lot in the game too. In real life Organic means consisting of mostly of Carbon and Hydrogen. In the game Organic means natural or without being created. As opposed to Synthetic which is obviously a created 'lifeform.' But being synthetic, or AI, seemingly would preclude them from being life at all. Go figure.
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WoodrowSkillson posted:Jesus Christ, I got curious because of all the news and poo poo and went and read the endings, and loving hell I have no motivation to even finish the game now. I'm only a quarter of the way through and was having a blast as well. Play up to the point where Shepherd is in the Crucible dying and Hackett tells him he needs to do something at his end to get the Crucible to fire. Then as soon as Shepherd drags himself to the console and presses the button, power off your console/ctrl-alt-del. That is the end of the game, Shepherd dies but the Reapers are all dead. Hooray! This is literally five or ten minutes from the end anyway. The 35 hours or so leading up to it are all excellent and well worth playing.
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Beanpants posted:So if anything organic now has to have inorganic components to it, does that go vice versa as well? Well, EDI is even techified despite already being 100% synthetic, so sure why not. Mt Everest is full of meat and circuitry. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ZP7K9SycELA
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Beanpants posted:So if anything organic now has to have inorganic components to it, does that go vice versa as well? Every personal computer in the galaxy is now some Cronenberg-styled horror that screams out in eternal and constant pain and misery.
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Vincent Van Goatse posted:No, they're still carbon-based. They just use different proteins in their DNA or something. Their amino-acids have different chirality, according to the game. I believe humans are dextral and Quarians/Turians are sinistral? I forget.
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Yeah, with a few minor exceptions (Kai Leng, the very beginning on Earth, the dream sequences, etc.), the game leading up to the end sequence is loving epic. The final battle for London disappointed me a lot because Hammer element manages to get totally raped no matter what you do or how many forces you bring and all the allied forces you encounter are incompetent to the point of being suicidal, and of course the ending itself is horrible, but the game leading up to it is still great. Just Alt-F4 after Anderson dies and you're golden.
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Beanpants posted:So if anything organic now has to have inorganic components to it, does that go vice versa as well? EDI got ovaries now yo. She can get on that baby poppin' business.
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Nombres posted:Their amino-acids have different chirality. I believe humans are dextral and Quarians/Turians are sinistral? I forget. Humans are levo-amino. I think Turians and quarians are dextro-amino.
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I wonder what benefit the Geth get out of synthesis giving them fleshy organic bits. Seems like it would confused the gently caress out of them since their bodies suddenly work completely differently.
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Beanpants posted:Humans are levo-amino. I think Turians and quarians are dextro-amino. That's the one. Internet Kraken posted:I wonder what benefit the Geth get out of synthesis giving them fleshy organic bits. Seems like it would confused the gently caress out of them since their bodies suddenly work completely differently. Actually, how would the Geth do that? The vast majority of the Geth don't have physical forms, they're in data banks. And the mobile platforms are manufactured and can carry hundreds of Geth. Do their manufacturies now pump out semi-organic mobile platforms? How the gently caress would this work?
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Internet Kraken posted:I wonder what benefit the Geth get out of synthesis giving them fleshy organic bits. Seems like it would confused the gently caress out of them since their bodies suddenly work completely differently. "Oh great, now we have to figure out what food is."
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tanglewood1420 posted:Play up to the point where Shepherd is in the Crucible dying and Hackett tells him he needs to do something at his end to get the Crucible to fire. Then as soon as Shepherd drags himself to the console and presses the button, power off your console/ctrl-alt-del. That is the end of the game, Shepherd dies but the Reapers are all dead. Hooray! I'd be perfectly fine with that, I'm fine with everyone dying, earth getting destroyed, whatever. What I have really enjoyed was this series take on a galactic civilization, and how they at least did a little homework and made things mostly make sense has to how FTL travel and poo poo worked. Destroying the relays and the citadel completely negates literally everything, and seems in many ways to be WORSE then what the Reapers were doing.
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Internet Kraken posted:I wonder what benefit the Geth get out of synthesis giving them fleshy organic bits. Seems like it would confused the gently caress out of them since their bodies suddenly work completely differently.
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Nombres posted:Actually, how would the Geth do that? The vast majority of the Geth don't have physical forms, they're in data banks. And the mobile platforms are manufactured and can carry hundreds of Geth. Meat bits and bytes.
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Internet Kraken posted:I wonder what benefit the Geth get out of synthesis giving them fleshy organic bits. Seems like it would confused the gently caress out of them since their bodies suddenly work completely differently. For that matter, what benefit do the fleshy organics get out of getting green robot bits? The human brain is already a pretty drat efficient computer to begin with, our nervous systems handle the transmission of data quite well already, etc.
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The Saddest Robot posted:http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ZP7K9SycELA I've never seen this. Dear god this is loving hilarious.
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Internet Kraken posted:I wonder what benefit the Geth get out of synthesis giving them fleshy organic bits. Seems like it would confused the gently caress out of them since their bodies suddenly work completely differently. Well at one point Tali says geth are downloading into Turian suits/bodies and mimicking viruses because they're software and not hardware so they can download into anything with enough processing power and so you see 
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WoodrowSkillson posted:Jesus Christ, I got curious because of all the news and poo poo and went and read the endings, and loving hell I have no motivation to even finish the game now. I'm only a quarter of the way through and was having a blast as well. This would be a shame because everything up until the very end is really good. I feel bad for all the talented and creative people that clearly poured their heart and soul into the game; the musicians, artists, programmers, testers, writers (Tuchanka was incredible) and the main thing people are talking about is how much the last ten minutes sucked.
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Internet Kraken posted:I wonder what benefit the Geth get out of synthesis giving them fleshy organic bits. Seems like it would confused the gently caress out of them since their bodies suddenly work completely differently. Xzibit strikes again.
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Nombres posted:Their amino-acids have different chirality, according to the game. I believe humans are dextral and Quarians/Turians are sinistral? I forget. They have dextro-amino acids and aren't compatible with most of the chemistry in the galaxy. That's why Mordin advices FemShep not to eat Garrus. Though in reality it would have little effect on her. And with the synthesis ending, in addition to the circuit board tree weirding me out, Joker's glowy green eyes made him look like a bloody Lycan. I think this ending would make more sense if it turned people into werewolves. edit: drat this thread moves fast
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Lloyd Boner posted:Pretty sure the Turians and Quarians are both silicon-based. No. The thing that sets Turians, Krogan, and Quarians apart is that their biology is compatible with the opposite chirality of amino acids as ours. Even though molecules of opposite chirality have identical empirical formulas, their chemical nature can be very different. Thalidomide for example was a great drug. Alleviated morning sickness with pretty much zero side effects. At least, one enantiomer did. The other enantiomer caused tragic and often fatal birth defects. Unfortunately we didn't know this at the time, and the production process produced the drug in a racemic mixture, meaning half the yield was the useful enantiomer and the other half was the mutagenic one. It is possible to separate them, but we had no idea it was necessary and did not. In game terms, it basically means that stuff that we eat is deadly poison for them, and vice-versa. Everything is still carbon based though. e:f,b. Though I went into a little more detail, in case anyone cares about chemistry (you should, chemistry is awesome).
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Mister Bates posted:For that matter, what benefit do the fleshy organics get out of getting green robot bits? The human brain is already a pretty drat efficient computer to begin with, our nervous systems handle the transmission of data quite well already, etc. They're no longer organic so Reapers will no longer target them for developing synthetics. Problem. Solved. Cycle stopped.
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Nombres posted:Actually, how would the Geth do that? The vast majority of the Geth don't have physical forms, they're in data banks. And the mobile platforms are manufactured and can carry hundreds of Geth. Seriously. The unique thing about Geth is that they are all just programs and can swap bodies at will. Without geth programs, all those mobile platforms and ships are just hunks of metal. So what does synthesis do? Does it make all the platforms organic, even though they aren't even functional without geth inside them? Do only the geth programs become organic? How does a program even become organic?
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I think humans are levo-acid and dextro-sugar, while turians and quarians are at the very least levo-sugar... which really makes me wonder where Tali got the supply for her emergency induction port.
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Crigit posted:In game terms, it basically means that stuff that we eat is deadly poison for them, and vice-versa. Everything is still carbon based though. Yeah, I did a quick look through the wiki and saw I was wrong. Not really sure how or from where that idea popped in my head.
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