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Vincent Van Goatse posted:The best (worst) part is that Mac Walters literally wrote the ending on a cocktail napkin while drunk. It actually describes fighting TIM as the end boss (which would probably turn into Saren 2.0 with the art from the art books). But that was scrapped. Anderson and Shepard sitting there was the original ending. 
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Omnicarus posted:Stanley Woo is a Bioware employee that should have been fired years ago. Pretty much everything he posts is awful in some way or another. This is the guy that argued that including playable black people in Dragon Age would lead to them having to include people that wanted to play dogs or unicorns. I'm sorry, but this doesn't sound plausible. Do you have a link to this post? My guess is that this is not what he was arguing. Also, in both Dragon Age games, you could customize your character and make him/her look black or white.
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MadHat posted:You can make the right choices to save Tali, but Legion will always die. I was pretty gung-ho about saving the Quarians up until the bit where you go into the Consensus or whatever and you basically find out the Quarians were giant dicks.
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re DLC posted:"Whatever we do would likely happen before or during the events of Mass Effect 3, not after" Who cares? Nothing you do before or during ME3 matters.
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thumb posted:I'm sorry, but this doesn't sound plausible. Do you have a link to this post? My guess is that this is not what he was arguing. The funny thing is, the argument is very common with RPG grognards. It, or variations of it, come up a lot in the grognards.txt thread in Traditional Games.
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Again, IF the majority of people really did hate the ending and it really did ruin the series and kill interest in the franchise, they are going to be absolutely shocked when the DLC doesn't sell. It sounds like they think that they have divided the community 50/50, but outside of the gaming journos that's not what I see at all, it's more like 80/20.
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thumb posted:I'm sorry, but this doesn't sound plausible. Do you have a link to this post? My guess is that this is not what he was arguing. here's an article: quote:While this is not a forum for political discussion, this seems relevant to the subject under discussion. If we were to arbitrarily add ethnic diversity “for the sake of fairness,” we would not hear the end of how careless and insensitive we are in not highlighting the noble differences in each race, or how “X race people don’t act that way” or”how come the X races didn’t have more to say?” Because the second you open the door to “fairness”, very little becomes forbidden and you end up with an unfocused product that tries to please everyone but ultimately fails to please anyone.
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thumb posted:I'm sorry, but this doesn't sound plausible. Do you have a link to this post? My guess is that this is not what he was arguing. I do  Here's the whole post(http://social.bioware.com/forum/1/t...index/5626673/1) but here's his post on the slippery slope.Stanley Woo posted:While this is not a forum for political discussion, this seems relevant to the subject under discussion. If we were to arbitrarily add ethnic diversity “for the sake of fairness,” we would not hear the end of how careless and insensitive we are in not highlighting the noble differences in each race, or how “X race people don’t act that way” or”how come the X races didn’t have more to say?” Because the second you open the door to “fairness”, very little becomes forbidden and you end up with an unfocused product that tries to please everyone but ultimately fails to please anyone.
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quote:You don't need to know the answers to the mass effect universe. So we intentionally left those out" Hey, protip to all you pulp sci-fi and fantasy writers out there: if you ever seriously consider this, have someone beat you over the head until you stop.
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regardin that whole "The Truth" DLC thingy (not sure if this has been posted but whatev.: e: gently caress me sideways, this thread moves fast. Thanks for posting that Final Hours stuff, I was kind of holding out hope  .
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1stGear posted:Hey, protip to all you pulp sci-fi and fantasy writers out there: if you ever seriously consider this, have someone beat you over the head until you stop. This was the other thing. They also considered having significant conversations with the Catalyst ala Darth Traya in KOTORII. But nope, better leave that all unsaid. It's "higher" (their words, not mine)
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Vincent Van Goatse posted:The best (worst) part is that Mac Walters wrote the ending on a cocktail napkin while drunk. I'm impressed that he was able to come up with a half-baked brave new world ending while drunk. I'm sure my cocktail napkin Mass Effect ending would be "And the Shepard hosed EVERYONE AND EVERYTHING! Including a Reaper, before they all got exploded!"
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Welp, things are looking grim, folks. Things are looking pretty drat grim.
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SUPER NEAT TOY posted:I was pretty gung-ho about saving the Quarians up until the bit where you go into the Consensus or whatever and you basically find out the Quarians were giant dicks. Not all of them, though. Megara was a cool dude. "Creator Megara, what is your status? ...Creator Megara? "
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Mahuum Aqoha posted:I'm impressed that he was able to come up with a half-baked brave new world ending while drunk. I'm sure my cocktail napkin Mass Effect ending would be "And the Shepard hosed EVERYONE AND EVERYTHING! Including a Reaper, before they all got exploded!" He had sex with the Reaper and made it exploded. Fixed.
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Sky Shadowing posted:Somebody on BSN got the "Final Hours". Well... in the words of some very wise dolphins: So long, and thanks for all the fish. I'm going to be keeping my TOR subscription for now, since I don't think they could possibly gently caress that up too bad. But I won't be buying in to any new IPs from these guys. Mass Effect was some of the best Sci-fi in recent memory.
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Mahuum Aqoha posted:I'm impressed that he was able to come up with a half-baked brave new world ending while drunk. I'm sure my cocktail napkin Mass Effect ending would be "And the Shepard hosed EVERYONE AND EVERYTHING! Including a Reaper, before they all got exploded!" I've written embarrassing things when I was drunk but Mac Walters has raised the bar for all time. Cirrhotic Irish writers will really have to step up their game now.
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Warmachine posted:Well... in the words of some very wise dolphins: So long, and thanks for all the fish. You should really cancel your TOR subscription and put as a reason "For the Mass Effect 3 ending"
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Oh god, I was getting my hopes up again. I somehow had the idea that, maybe, the various reviewers knew something we didn't. They HAD seen an extra ending but had to sign an NDA so large they'd explode if they broke it, but knowing what was coming they were just trying to keep the fans satisfied until the real thing came along. Well, I found out I prefer stupidity to soulless corporate greed, at least. This way we might get a director's cut. Edit: "Lots of speculation for Everyone". Heh, well we're speculating about something anyway, even if it's not what they expected. What they were smoking to write it and if it was a prank or setup for Episodes. Meta speculation? Elfface fucked around with this message at Mar 15, 2012 around 19:11 |
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Vincent Van Goatse posted:The best (worst) part is that Mac Walters wrote the ending on a cocktail napkin while drunk. I loving love how "LOTS OF SPECULATION FOR EVERYONE" is large and in all caps like he just found the cure to polio and everyone is going to love his brilliant epiphany
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Vincent Van Goatse posted:The best (worst) part is that Mac Walters wrote the ending on a cocktail napkin while drunk.
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I get the feeling he was trying to parallel some of the greater questions that were asked on napkins while drunk, like Fermi's Paradox or Picasso's Napkin sketches...but this just sucks.
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Between this and the endless fiasco with the DA2 staff, I think that Bioware needs a serious shakeup in how they treat their writers. By which I mean their writing staff seems to have become totally divorced from the game design part of their titles, which is a recipe for disaster.
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Mods please change the title to LOTS OF SPECULATION FROM EVERYONE tia
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Thwomp posted:This was the other thing. They also considered having significant conversations with the Catalyst ala Darth Traya in KOTORII. No, they said that they were going to keep it "high-level", which is actually accurate. I don't know how common the term is outside of software design, but basically to keep it high-level is that you know the general ideas and concepts of pieces, but you don't get bogged down in the details. Basically, when you're operating at a high-level, you're dealing with abstracted and generalized ideas.
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Thwomp posted:He had sex with the Reaper and made it exploded. "Admiral Hackett: We need to do something NOW! The mass relays are about to explode! Shepard: I'm going t *illegible, section of napkin covered in barf* Grateful Hanar: This one did not believe that human reproductive fluids could repair a Mass Relay."
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Mahuum Aqoha posted:*illegible, section of napkin covered in barf* I almost choked on water at this.
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DMBFan23 posted:I loving love how "LOTS OF SPECULATION FOR EVERYONE" is large and in all caps like he just found the cure to polio and everyone is going to love his brilliant epiphany It is kind of silly that ending right after Anderson and Shep are looking out the window would have been the better option.
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Omnicarus posted:I do Okay, but let's be clear: 1. The comment I was responding to stated that Stanely Woo was talking specifically about refusing to allow playable black people. The actual comment Stanely Woo made was about total racial diversity in the Dragon Age world. That's a different argument. I honestly don't know whether a fantasy world should seek, as a general goal, to represent current world racial diversity in all its NPCs. Consider that Skyrim has an abundance of light-skinned people, because the realm itself is moddeled after Nordic peoples. Most fantasy worlds are modeled after Medieval Europe, and hence have an abundance of Europeans. 2. You could play "black" and "white" people in both Dragon Age games. This does not mean that the character customizer was sufficient to get every shade we know to exist in reality, but it was not the white-only character generator.
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thumb posted:Okay, but let's be clear: This doesn't make his argument any less reprehensible. 'Putting in skin tones is just like putting in vegetarians and Canadians'. 
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quote:They discuss the dialogue for anderson they cut as well. Everyone on their team liked it but Casey said it was "too long for the moment". 
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I also love how he drunkenly mentioned the first Matrix movie YOU ENDED IT LIKE THE WRONG MATRIX MOVIE rear end in a top hat So I was watching Inception the other day and
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Vincent Van Goatse posted:The best (worst) part is that Mac Walters wrote the ending on a cocktail napkin while drunk. Where do you see this? The scrap of paper has holes punched in the side, so at least it's from a notebook. I only read the OP of that thread over there, is there an actual quote about this that I missed? Fully support thread title change to LOTS OF SPECULATION FROM EVERYONE.
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Aristobulus posted:You should really cancel your TOR subscription and put as a reason "For the Mass Effect 3 ending" This and fill out the survey they send you when you cancel.
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Shimrra Jamaane posted:Casey Hudson and Mac Walters are now Public Enemy #1 on my list of Video Game poo poo Heads. They share the spot. Fully support title change. This poo poo MUST not go unpunished.
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But apparently Casey Hudson is a pilot. So that's cool. He seems like a pretty cool dude in general and when he's making good design decisions. Just not when he's not making impressively terrible decisions.quote:They discuss the dialogue for anderson they cut as well. Everyone on their team liked it but Casey said it was "too long for the moment". I actually agree with this. The finale of your game is not the point at which you have your two main characters spend five minutes talking about whether or not they want to have kids. Do that poo poo earlier, like in the lead-up to London or something.
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thumb posted:Most fantasy worlds are modeled after Medieval Europe, and hence have an abundance of Europeans. Except they're not, since medieval Europe actually looks a lot different than most fantasy worlds but oh well, keep with the crypto-white look you've had for decades!
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Shimrra Jamaane posted:Is that the Anderson dialogue that you can hear on the disc? If so, yes, that's the correct decision; it's superfluous repetition of what has already been said, and would make it pointlessly too long.
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Shimrra Jamaane posted:Honestly, they all need to be fired. You usually have to try to be this incompetent. Darko posted:Is that the Anderson dialogue that you can hear on the disc? If so, yes, that's the correct decision; it's superfluous repetition of what has already been said, and would make it pointlessly too long. You speak as if something of substance was coming right after it. We all know that wasn't the case.
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Sky Shadowing posted:Somebody on BSN got the "Final Hours". About what I expected from them. Did people seriously think the Indoctrination angle was intentional? Seriously? Walters is a hack.
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