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MadHat posted:I feel bad for all the Non-Writers who worked on ME3, they created a enjoyable gameplay experience. Even 90% of the writing was well done. But that last 5 minutes is going to be the only thing people will ever remember now. Even so, I feel like its being blown completely out of proportion. It's like all the Lucas nerds latched on to Bioware's teats.
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It makes me sad, because if people had kept a cool head and just donated to that charity and kept stating, "I don't like the ending for these reasons, and I don't really care about Mass Effect anymore" and maybe cancelled their SWTOR subscription with the reason "the mass effect 3 ending" and not bought the DLC they might have gotten something done. Instead it's looking like the spit-flecked invective is going to overwhelm everything and make it look like it's a bunch of loving spazzes having a conniption because they didn't get their rainbow and sugarpants ending.
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The post on BSN with the Final Hours stuff has been updated with more content on the game's outline. I'll see if there's anything good re: the ending. e: nope, not really General Battuta fucked around with this message at Mar 15, 2012 around 20:00 |
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Well, since ToR is failing maybe Bioware will grab Drew out of there and plead for him to save Mass Effect. BTW, has anyone used the Mass Defect pun yet?
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You know, this "Is the extended Anderson cut worth it" is slightly odd. If it felt too long, you could always give Shep an option to [Close eyes] or "Take it easy, Anderson". Maybe add some coughs and splutters so it implies that if you keep going, it hurts both your chances of survival, or if you talked TIM down instead of shooting him, less struggle happens and he can keep going longer. That way, it can be as long as you want, and still feel like an in character method. I think the next big project needs a LOT of transparency though. Never mind spoilers, leak the script on purpose, offer 'Warning Spoilers' interviews, anything to show the audience they're not making the same mistakes. Oh, one more thing. I think we need rap sheets for the ME3 developers. Good and bad, tell us what each worked on. That way we can send nice messages to the incidental dialogue writers, assure whoever wrote Cortez that 'OMG Gays!' is a vocal minority, and make sure to put warning flags on properties the Space God Children are associated with.
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Quicksilver6 posted:Any particular standouts? Schadenfreude is my only release. Thread with Bioware's placeholder response: http://social.bioware.com/forum/1/t...5/index/9992961 Thread with the "Final Hours" leaks: http://social.bioware.com/forum/1/t...5/index/9999272
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Shimrra Jamaane posted:Well, since ToR is failing maybe Bioware will grab Drew out of there and plead for him to save Mass Effect. Drew retired. Maybe CDPR can get him for a scifi game. Megaman's Jockstrap posted:It makes me sad, because if people had kept a cool head and just donated to that charity and kept stating, "I don't like the ending for these reasons, and I don't really care about Mass Effect anymore" they might have gotten something done. It's just that I can't even blame people now. This was a straight up 'gently caress you' to your own fanbase. This whole thinag has been such a fiasco.
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Shimrra Jamaane posted:Well, since ToR is failing maybe Bioware will grab Drew out of there and plead for him to save Mass Effect. People saying TOR is failing are really stupid, people need to stop posting this poo poo.
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Shimrra Jamaane posted:Well, since ToR is failing maybe Bioware will grab Drew out of there and plead for him to save Mass Effect. Yes. In this glorious thing. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hzYLTbQQEZQ
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Shimrra Jamaane posted:Well, since ToR is failing maybe Bioware will grab Drew out of there and plead for him to save Mass Effect. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hzYLTbQQEZQ
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Wait, where is the cocktail napkin bit coming from?
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Don't forget to blame good old Casey Hudson as well. Apparently Walters had written a Vigil-like conversation with the Catalyst (which is something I would've liked) but Hudson scrapped it because "you don't need to know the answers." Really, the finger should be pointed at both these guys. I'm all for scapegoating Walters but the more the merrier, eh.
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The next bioware project needs a good editor who knows the mechanics of storytelling. Given what The Final Hours thing says, having that one security check over the writers would have prevented this whole thing. Just one lead editor who can say "Hey, this makes no sense at all. What does this napkin note mean?" This just makes the whole thing equivalent to Spinal Tap's Stonehenge Napkin mishap. One read over by a decent science fiction editor and that ending would have never made it into the final production.
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Rad Valtar posted:People saying TOR is failing are really stupid, people need to stop posting this poo poo. http://massively.joystiq.com/2012/0...stabilize-at-1/ Those numbers are extremely good for an MMO competing against a giant like WoW.
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Cyrano4747 posted:This is right up there with going out and dropping $15+ for a movie on the opening weekend without bothering to find even the most cursory of reviews. 
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I was reading Final Hours, and I love how Casey talks about "Does the game really need a last boss?" Well, if your solution to not having a last boss is just dumping an assload of enemies into a closed arena while an invisible clock counts down...yeah, we do need a last boss.
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Buddy Holly posted:Don't forget to blame good old Casey Hudson as well. Apparently Walters had written a Vigil-like conversation with the Catalyst (which is something I would've liked) but Hudson scrapped it because "you don't need to know the answers." Really, the finger should be pointed at both these guys. He definitely does deserve some of the blame too. I mean the fact that he kept Walters around is indicative of his opinion on Walter's writing.
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Megaman's Jockstrap posted:It makes me sad, because if people had kept a cool head and just donated to that charity and kept stating, "I don't like the ending for these reasons, and I don't really care about Mass Effect anymore" and maybe cancelled their SWTOR subscription with the reason "the mass effect 3 ending" and not bought the DLC they might have gotten something done. This is one of the reasons I'm not canceling TOR. I like TOR. Unfortunately, I don't believe EA is one that can be persuaded by gentlemanly means. Bioware wouldn't be able to jump without EA going Simon Says. I think that the fact that the fanbase has to be whipped into a raging mob to get the attention of its corporate overlords is a sad, cynical sign of the times. It's all just drat depressing. But I'm off work now. I need to go draft my letter.
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In the deleted scenes of the Final Hours they have under "final" a scene where you approach the beam in London. With a very dead looking Garrus and Liara on the ground. Interesting that this changed to "teleported to Normandy".
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Jarmel posted:He definitely does deserve some of the blame too. I mean the fact that he kept Walters around is indicative of his opinion on Walter's writing. As a designer... most of the blame should be put on Hudson's head. He had the power to stop it. The lovely writing happened on HIS watch. HE allowed it. HE is the one ultimately responsible.
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Rei_ posted:Wait, where is the cocktail napkin bit coming from? It's not a literal napkin, though I think it was mistaken for one. Drunkenness remains unconfirmed, the actual thingy appears to be a very late-night writing meeting and a notebook page.
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Rei_ posted:Wait, where is the cocktail napkin bit coming from? Mac Walters reveals his brilliant and painstaking process behind the ME3 endings here:   It's not literally a cocktail napkin, but seriously look at that. Look at it. source: http://social.bioware.com/forum/1/t...index/9999272/1
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http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fNJvtmkU9nM
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Internet Kraken posted:Even if Mass Effect 3 came out on Steam I probably wouldn't buy it now. I know 99% of the game is great but this ending is just so abysmal that it ruins the rest.
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CrushedB posted:http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fNJvtmkU9nM Deleted scene of Harbinger lasering Garrus and Liara to death.
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I'm just astonished by that Child's Play charity drive. I know that it's only ~2000 people that donated $25 a piece on average but the fact that a charity website that says "the ending to Mass Effect 3 sucks, donate to Child's Play if you agree" was able to generate a five-figure amount of donations is unbelievable. edit: also that every time I click to the next page of that BSN ground zero thread, another three pages are added. Mahuum Aqoha fucked around with this message at Mar 15, 2012 around 20:06 |
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CrushedB posted:http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fNJvtmkU9nM But in the notes it says it was changed to see just their bodies on the ground. Did anyone see their party just laying around them post blast?
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Now that we know this precious 'work of art that must not be sullied by entitled babies' is actually thickheaded bar-napkin scribbles refrencing a 90s Keanu Reeves movie can we expect the gaming journalists to eat their words? Reminder that people compared this with Hamlet: 
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Someone should make a Facebook page about canceling TOR subs because of the endings.
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Just tell them to buy the game and right before the ending shut off the console and watch one of the revised endings on youtube and just go with that.
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Thwomp posted:But in the notes it says it was changed to see just their bodies on the ground. Did anyone see their party just laying around them post blast? I saw Liara and Garrus on the ground, but then I saw Liara get out of the Normandy at the end, so who loving knows?
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Thwomp posted:But in the notes it says it was changed to see just their bodies on the ground. Did anyone see their party just laying around them post blast? Maybe if you go in with really low EMS?
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I'm sure a large section of the TOR playerbase doesn't even care about Mass Effect and hasn't even played any Mass Effect games so I don't think people will be quitting en masse over this ending. I'm sure I'll replay Mass Effect 3 sometime in the future. There are lots of games that I replay where I will turn it off without watching the ending. This will be another one of those games. I actually laughed at it, especially the part with Stargazer.
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Codependent Poster posted:Someone should make a Facebook page about canceling TOR subs because of the endings. I mean I hate the ending of ME3 too but I guess I don't understand this reaction, its not even the same studio. I guess I cant criticize people for the reaction though. Kongming posted:I'm sure I'll replay Mass Effect 3 sometime in the future. There are lots of games that I replay where I will turn it off without watching the ending. This will be another one of those games. I actually laughed at it, especially the part with Stargazer. Yeah I just cant bring myself to play again right now because all I can think about is the ending, it really pisses me off because I have one of each class to play.
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Codependent Poster posted:Someone should make a Facebook page about canceling TOR subs because of the endings. Bioware will ambiguously kill off your character to force you to roll an alt. They cant kill you if you canceled your sub!
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How is "video gamey" a bad thing? I wouldn't have minded a last boss if it wasn't a giant terminator baby. The message I was hoping they'd get was "we want a boss that isn't stupid and ridiculous", not "we don't want a boss".
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Rei_ posted:Wait, where is the cocktail napkin bit coming from? Mac Walters wanted "LOTS OF SPECULATION FROM EVERYONE", so I'm drat well gonna speculate he was drunk when he wrote the ending.
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Smart Car posted:I do think that's the wrong attitude to take. I've had some concerned friends ask me if the game was worth it due to some of the negative reactions they've seen and I recommended they play the game if they enjoyed Mass Effect 2. The last 5 minutes of the game are terrible, but almost the entire rest of the gameplay leading up to it is the best they've done with the series yet. I know, and I actually kind of want this game just for the multiplayer, but god drat I do not feel like giving Bioware money right now.
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Rad Valtar posted:I mean I hate the ending of ME3 too but I guess I don't understand this reaction, its not even the same studio. I guess I cant criticize people for the reaction though. I think the point is that the ending of Mass Effect 3 was so unsatisfying that it destroyed the Bioware brand. And then the person puts their money where their mouth is and cancels their SWTOR subscription. (I don't play MMOs so it's just a nice way to send an HEY YOU, LISTEN TO ME! to EA, I think.)
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Rad Valtar posted:I mean I hate the ending of ME3 too but I guess I don't understand this reaction, its not even the same studio. I guess I cant criticize people for the reaction though. The thought process (from the sane people) is "The only way to make BioWare actually hear us is to speak with our wallet" This of course will never work but
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