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After the Harbinger laser blasted the screen black, when you wake up and start hobbling off to the Citadel, I thought for a second that you were now in control of some no-name Hammer guy who'd managed to survive the blast because my Shepard was wearing the Blood Dragon armor and post-blast Shepard was back in regular Alliance armor. Not sure if "random guy lives on to carry out now-dead Shepard's final mission" would have been better or worse than the ending we got... At the very least, we could have gotten some post-credits "Where they are now..."-style blurbs on each of the ME1/ME2/ME3 crew members, a la BG2: ToB.
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Anal Tributary posted:Uh, what? That kid was from the very start of the game. As well as the very end. In no way is it implied to be his/her son. Christ let me try again. Shepard sees himself come up behind the kid and put his arms around him. He sees himself in normal clothing. It seems to be a dream of 'what could have been', similar to the ones in Terminator 2 - it even ends with flames consuming everyone. I am not saying the kid is actually his bastard son he never knew about, I'm saying in that dream that is what I took the implication to be - him seeing something that could have been. The point was if you look at it as him with his son it becomes hilarious because a black man has a white son. That's the joke.
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I'm glad i'm not the only one who thought the endings were terrible. The rest of the game was really good, but I can't believe Bioware thought those were acceptable endings. But ooh well, I still had fun playing the game and it didn't ruin it for me. Probably my favorite moment in the game, story wise, was the resolution to Tali and her races storyline. That was really well done. Sucks I could only choose one or the other to live though, I picked Tali to live. You have to have to have played ME2 and met certain conditions to get both races to fight with you.
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Isaacs Alter Ego posted:Then why the hell would he spend the most resources pretty much ever spent ever to revive Shepard, the only guy to ever have killed one of the things? If he's indoctrinated, that would seem to imply he's on the reaper's side, but all of his actions would dictate that he is not except for at the very end being arbitrarily not able to kill them. It makes no sense at all, I mean, in ME2 he's not a psychopath and in ME3 he is. Bah. gently caress if I know, dude just buy this and find out why the plot makes no sense! At least then you'd get this sweet pic of TIM totally not forcing this turian to have sex with him at gunpoint  And let me guess you probably had no clue the leader of Cerberus was actually Cyclops eh? 
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opblaaskrokodil posted:^^^^^^^^^^^ Something that bothers me more than it should- Garrus says near the end "May you be in heaven half an hour before the devil knows you're dead." In the actual saying, it's 'hell' and I think that would've worked better- some last-minute gallows humour with real heart to it rather than the mushy and forgettable we got. Heaven doesn't even make sense.
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freeforumuser posted:What is with major game developers and lovely endings these days? ME3 was by far the worst I have seen by a magnitude or two, but DX:HR and Skyrim were still terrible. DX:HR was terrible, but I have to say it wasn't nearly as bad as ME3's. DX:HR's was just lazy; some lazy narration shoved over some stock footage, with no real information or even hints as to what happened because of the ending button you picked. But it was so inconsequential it was forgettable. ME3's ending hits that sweetspot of laziness (literally just a different color explosion for each choice, which were set up by sudden space god) and sheer incoherence and ignorance of the tone of the whole series that it just made the whole game itself worse just by existing. It's hard for me to justify playing through the game again, even though I kind of want to, because the ending just makes the events of all three games so inconsequential, and it cares so little for fans of the series. I mean, the main thread is filled with about 20 or so fanfic-esque replacement endings and every single one I read, hell, even the ones I skimmed were better than the one we got by the very nature of actually having something to do with the game we all played.
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xeria posted:After the Harbinger laser blasted the screen black, when you wake up and start hobbling off to the Citadel, I thought for a second that you were now in control of some no-name Hammer guy who'd managed to survive the blast because my Shepard was wearing the Blood Dragon armor and post-blast Shepard was back in regular Alliance armor. Not sure if "random guy lives on to carry out now-dead Shepard's final mission" would have been better or worse than the ending we got... Is there absolutely no way to get anyone on your team to survive this last bit? No matter what, the two characters who come with you, die right?
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^^^^^ No, they can survive it from what I've seen. I did the destroy ending, and one of the characters I'd brought with me showed up. I think perhaps because Tali was dead, and I don't have the DLC as I was whining about, so it only had Joker, Liara, James, and Garrus as potential people to show up, so one of the squad members had to be there. e: wait, I forgot Kaidan, so nevermind that concept. But I think Kaidan could also have gotten killed but whatever - no, they can show up. SurreptitiousMuffin posted:Nor for me. Got the CE, have From Ashes activated but the content is nowhere in game. Hm, I think people say the "heaven" thing too? A web search for that phrase gives me a lot of hits. opblaaskrokodil fucked around with this message at Mar 11, 2012 around 06:56 |
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I said come in! posted:Is there absolutely no way to get anyone on your team to survive this last bit? No matter what, the two characters who come with you, die right? I don't think they die... I had Ashley with me on that last bit and in the Joker/EDI bit, she (Ashley) also popped out of the Normandy on the jungle planet. So somehow she both survived and made it to the Normandy while Shepard was playing Space Jesus.
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I said come in! posted:Is there absolutely no way to get anyone on your team to survive this last bit? No matter what, the two characters who come with you, die right? I had Garrus with me and he showed up on space eden so I don't think they die.
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Axel Serenity posted:Really, I'm not all too upset about the endings, though i will echo that they were a little short and should have fleshed out what happened to your crew buddies a little more. And it would have been nice to see something a little more tailored to all of your choices rather than whatever one you make in the last five minutes of the game. But, I destroyed the Reapers and my Shepard lived so I really can't complain. I don't think you understand just how much you hosed up the galaxy in the ending. You killed not only the Reapers, but also the Geth (assuming you didn't let them die to the Quarians already) and EDI. You also destroyed all the mass relays, stranding everyone to their local clusters. Including all of those armies you gathered on Earth, which isn't a particularly big planet. Garrus and Tali are going to die because they need silicon based food instead of carbon based food, and any reserves on the Normandy will eventually run out. Earth's probably not gonna last long either, considering how many people there are and considering that Krogans make a lot of loving babies. Basically, everything is hosed and galactic civilization is dead for at least a few centuries until people can get an equivalent to the mass relays working.
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Axel Serenity posted:Really, I'm not all too upset about the endings, though i will echo that they were a little short and should have fleshed out what happened to your crew buddies a little more. And it would have been nice to see something a little more tailored to all of your choices rather than whatever one you make in the last five minutes of the game. But, I destroyed the Reapers and my Shepard lived so I really can't complain.
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opblaaskrokodil posted:^^^^^ For me, I had Tali and Liara with me and they both died before Shepard got to the final part, where I proceeded to wipe out the whole galaxy. What I got after that though, didn't make a whole hell of a lot of sense, which was basically Joker trying to get away from that mega blast and somehow the Normady crashes on a planet, the door to the ship opens, black screen, cue the credits. I'm fully expecting Bioware to come out and say that the ending implied that Joker continued the human race, and EDI created a robot race of some kind, so the cycle could repeat itself.
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xeria posted:I don't think they die... I had Ashley with me on that last bit and in the Joker/EDI bit, she (Ashley) also popped out of the Normandy on the jungle planet. So somehow she both survived and made it to the Normandy while Shepard was playing Space Jesus. I had Liara and EDI with me and they both showed up in space heaven with Joker. I have to say, the only good thing about this ending is the ease with which it can be retconned out thanks to the Coda with the "stargazer" at the end. You just have another character go "that's bullshit, THIS is what really happened to Shepard." Also, good job Bioware, showing once again that being subtle and showing a little bit of restraint is more than you can handle by having the kid call him "the shepherd" at the end. We get it, he's space Jesus.
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Shepard's way cooler than Jesus. Jesus never headbutted a Krogan. 
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I said come in! posted:For me, I had Tali and Liara with me and they both died before Shepard got to the final part, where I proceeded to wipe out the whole galaxy. What I got after that though, didn't make a whole hell of a lot of sense, which was basically Joker trying to get away from that mega blast and somehow the Normady crashes on a planet, the door to the ship opens, black screen, cue the credits. e: also gently caress Shepard being space jesus and having to die. I just want my fun sci-fi RPG where I can shoot things, punch people, and have a blast. Maybe pick up an Asari on the way or whatever. I don't want some big religious allegory 
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opblaaskrokodil posted:What do you mean by "died"? You mean they were claimed to be dead by the Major when he says everyone's dead? Or they died in some other matter? Because he was obviously wrong on the fact that everyone was dead - both you/Anderson survived. And there's definitely a chance that the ones who were with you can show up with Joker at the end on the crashlanded place. I don't know how many different outcomes there are for this; but when you are storming that teleporter to reach the Citadel, that reaper ship opens fire and blasts everyone away. For my game, just Shepard and Anderson survived. The ending I got, only implied that Joker survives.
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Lloyd Boner posted:I don't think you understand just how much you hosed up the galaxy in the ending. You killed not only the Reapers, but also the Geth (assuming you didn't let them die to the Quarians already) and EDI. You also destroyed all the mass relays, stranding everyone to their local clusters. Including all of those armies you gathered on Earth, which isn't a particularly big planet. Garrus and Tali are going to die because they need silicon based food instead of carbon based food, and any reserves on the Normandy will eventually run out. Earth's probably not gonna last long either, considering how many people there are and considering that Krogans make a lot of loving babies. Haha you're right, Earth is hosed unless you choose synthesis, and even then it's not clear if it's saved; are all species capable of interbreeding? Can turians now eat non-dextro foods? So the campaign to save earth has really just doomed it to slow starvation and constant warfare, dobule if Shepard is dead.
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I said come in! posted:I don't know how many different outcomes there are for this; but when you are storming that teleporter to reach the Citadel, that reaper ship opens fire and blasts everyone away. For my game, just Shepard and Anderson survived. That happens to every single person. Despite the claim that just Shepard and Anderson survived, the other characters do as well. They will show up alive and well on the Normandy in the ending even if you bring them along (depending on the ending, natch.) Somehow they teleport back to the Normandy and the Normandy decides to go through a Mass Relay for no reason.
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ImpAtom posted:That happens to every single person. Despite the claim that just Shepard and Anderson survived, the other characters do as well. They will show up alive and well on the Normandy in the ending (depending on the ending, natch.) Curiously, in my ending (I picked Synthesis), Ashley was the only other person to show up on jungle planet aside from Joker/EDI.
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ImpAtom posted:That happens to every single person. Despite the claim that just Shepard and Anderson survived, the other characters do as well. They will show up alive and well on the Normandy in the ending even if you bring them along (depending on the ending, natch.) Somehow they teleport back to the Normandy and the Normandy decides to go through a Mass Relay for no reason. Ahh cool, I didn't get that one though. Mine was the absolute worst ending possible. But on the other hand I did pretty much go into ME3, wanting to end it with wiping out the whole galaxy, assuming that was an option, and sure enough it was.xeria posted:Curiously, in my ending (I picked Synthesis), Ashley was the only other person to show up on jungle planet aside from Joker/EDI. That is super weird to me, I feel like no matter what, another cutscene should have played. All I got was the Normady on that jungle planet, a door opens and then the credits. After that, it's some old guy talking to a kid.
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Is there any actual reason Shepard survived a near direct hit from a beam that the Codex explicitly mentions can obliterate even the Alliance's largest Dreadnoughts in a single blow? VVV I got Garrus Liara; both my most used and the two with me in the final battle.. Amateur Saboteur fucked around with this message at Mar 11, 2012 around 07:07 |
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ImpAtom posted:That happens to every single person. Despite the claim that just Shepard and Anderson survived, the other characters do as well. They will show up alive and well on the Normandy in the ending even if you bring them along (depending on the ending, natch.) Somehow they teleport back to the Normandy and the Normandy decides to go through a Mass Relay for no reason.
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Amateur Saboteur posted:Is there any actual reason Shepard survived a near direct hit from a beam that the Codex explicitly mentions can obliterate even the Alliance's largest Dreadnoughts in a single blow? He was charging at the time, the beam couldn't get through his barriers. Again, Bioware. That's about all I can say.
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Amateur Saboteur posted:Is there any actual reason Shepard survived a near direct hit from a beam that the Codex explicitly mentions can obliterate even the Alliance's largest Dreadnoughts in a single blow? If you read the codex stuff it mentions that being in atmosphere in one of the larger craft uses a huge amount of power to keep the mass low, so the ship isn't as strong with shields/guns as a result. It's in the secondary codex entries I think.
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Amateur Saboteur posted:Is there any actual reason Shepard survived a near direct hit from a beam that the Codex explicitly mentions can obliterate even the Alliance's largest Dreadnoughts in a single blow? I thought it was a bit hamfisted that the Reaper did that. I actually played through the final sequence first without raising my war assets a ton (pre-multiplayer). I got gunned down there, and after hearing Hackett say "all available ships stop those reapers breaking off to London" I figured that if I'd had my war readiness higher, then ships would've intercepted them and delayed them long enough for me to get to the portal intact (so I went off, did multiplayer, and then went back and did the whole Cerberus base/ending sequence up to the portal again). Nope, apparently the fleet is no more capable of delaying Harbinger's descent regardless of super high readiness. SurreptitiousMuffin posted:Is it random who comes out of the Normandy? I got Garrus, Joker and EDI. Garrus and EDI were my two most-used squadmates (I think) so I'm wondering if that's the logic.
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Well Harbinger is the strongest Reaper so they shouldn't be able to.
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Can we share gameplay differences so I don't have to play again to see what I missed? Like someone who got the shittiest ending describe to me how earth supposedly gets destroyed. And someone born on Earth is Shep all like "...I was raised on these streets, now I'm takin' 'em back  "
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I said come in! posted:I don't know how many different outcomes there are for this; but when you are storming that teleporter to reach the Citadel, that reaper ship opens fire and blasts everyone away. For my game, just Shepard and Anderson survived. I remember the scene you're talking about, and it doesn't really infer that anyone dies. People scatter from an explosion, but that's it. There's nothing written in that scene that says "EVERYONE HERE IS NOW DEAD OKAY GO AHEAD INTO THE BIG LIGHT BEAM" I also think all the complaining about the endings is funny. Whether you hate it for bad denouement or hate it because it renders every choice you've made over the last three years inert, you're still missing the point: it's the journey that matters. You got all your loose ends tied up during the game, and you should've been appreciating it. Curing the genophage? Putting quarian back on Rennoch? Making the geth a real intelligent race? These are the moments that mattered. The end was never going to be good enough, and it wasn't supposed to be. I've played through three times now and I still get the chills when Wrex looks on his planet with hope for the first time. I still get a lump in my throat when Legion dies. My ONLY confusion about the ending is this: what exactly are we talking to at the end? I realize that it's manifesting itself as the image of a child because of what that image means to Shepard, but what the gently caress is it? Who originally made the reapers? How does this person know all this poo poo about the cycle and ending it?
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Amateur Saboteur posted:And someone born on Earth is Shep all like "...I was raised on these streets, now I'm takin' 'em back Nope. Far as I can tell that made no difference at all. Maybe there was a throwaway line about being born there, but I don't remember him saying anything like that. I don't remember a squadmate jumping out the Normandy at the end, just EDI and Joker. Slim Killington posted:My ONLY confusion about the ending is this: what exactly are we talking to at the end? I realize that it's manifesting itself as the image of a child because of what that image means to Shepard, but what the gently caress is it? Who originally made the reapers? How does this person know all this poo poo about the cycle and ending it? I thought the implication was that the Reapers wiped out their creators hence the whole 'yo, synth is gonna kill org' thing. And the Reapers didn't want to stagnate so they set this whole thing in place that when organic life is ready they'll all transcend together into Space Heaven. ...Then again, I write it down and it makes less and less sense. Two Finger fucked around with this message at Mar 11, 2012 around 07:14 |
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Just beat this, and youtubed the endings I didn't see, and I have to say, I couldn't have been more disappointed. I thought the game itself was great, they were building a great story and final fight...and then I find out literally nothing I did throughout the last 3 games mattered in the least, and it comes down to a Deus Ex "push the button of the ending you want", where the only variation seems to be a different color in one cutscene.
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Amateur Saboteur posted:Can we share gameplay differences so I don't have to play again to see what I missed? Like someone who got the shittiest ending describe to me how earth supposedly gets destroyed. Earth is still "around" but it gets completely wiped clean, to the point where there's no atmosphere left even and it's just a huge gray rock. The cutscene for it is pretty cool actually, the whole planet slowly turns gray, as you see a huge blast cleanse it of all life. So it pretty much turns to a dead world with no atmosphere. It reminded me of a episode of Star Trek: the Next Generation where a sequence like this very thing happens.
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SurreptitiousMuffin posted:Something that bothers me more than it should- Garrus says near the end "May you be in heaven half an hour before the devil knows you're dead." In the actual saying, it's 'hell' and I think that would've worked better- some last-minute gallows humour with real heart to it rather than the mushy and forgettable we got. Heaven doesn't even make sense. Really? How does hell make any sense? Enjoy the comforts of heaven for half an hour before the devil knows you are dead and takes you down to hell, is how I interpreted it. As a femshep I romanced Liara in ME1, Garrus in ME2, then reunited with Liara in ME3. Right before the last mission I walked in on Garrus and Tali making out or whatever in the gun battery. The conversation was pretty funny "Oh uh, he was just checking my suit for ruptures!" Does anyone know what happens if you never let Grunt out of the tank? Or sent Legion to the Illusive Man? PhantomZero fucked around with this message at Mar 11, 2012 around 07:16 |
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Slim Killington posted:I also think all the complaining about the endings is funny. Whether you hate it for bad denouement or hate it because it renders every choice you've made over the last three years inert, you're still missing the point: it's the journey that matters. You got all your loose ends tied up during the game, and you should've been appreciating it. Curing the genophage? Putting quarian back on Rennoch? Making the geth a real intelligent race? These are the moments that mattered. The end was never going to be good enough, and it wasn't supposed to be. This I can actually get behind. Well said. I got all of the loose ends tied up that I really wanted, and at the end of the day, that's all that I really care about.
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I said come in! posted:This I can actually get behind. Well said. I got all of the loose ends tied up that I really wanted, and at the end of the day, that's all that I really care about. Does it really matter what you did? I thought Mass Relays exploding destroyed entire star systems, so shouldn't pretty much the entire known galaxy (at least anything you interacted with) be wiped out as a result of the end?
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Two Finger posted:I thought the implication was that the Reapers wiped out their creators hence the whole 'yo, synth is gonna kill org' thing. And the Reapers didn't want to stagnate so they set this whole thing in place that when organic life is ready they'll all transcend together into Space Heaven. I wonder then about the reapers insisting that the cycle has to continue to purge chaos; if they were programmed to do that and since became self-aware, wouldn't they evolve outside of that directive (especially over how many countless cycles and hundreds of thousands of years)? Oh also: the two I saw walk out of the shuttle with Joker were the last two squadmates I'd used on earth.
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Slim Killington posted:I also think all the complaining about the endings is funny. Whether you hate it for bad denouement or hate it because it renders every choice you've made over the last three years inert, you're still missing the point: it's the journey that matters. You got all your loose ends tied up during the game, and you should've been appreciating it. Curing the genophage? Putting quarian back on Rennoch? Making the geth a real intelligent race? These are the moments that mattered. The end was never going to be good enough, and it wasn't supposed to be. I got all my loose ends tied up? Really? Huh. So where in the game did it explain what exactly happened to all the societies and characters and such after we completely destroyed one of the most important parts of galactic civilization and also turned everyone into half-robots? Because those are pretty big loose ends. The journey matters, but not when the end of the journey invalidates the journey itself.
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Slim Killington posted:
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Slim Killington posted:I also think all the complaining about the endings is funny. Whether you hate it for bad denouement or hate it because it renders every choice you've made over the last three years inert, you're still missing the point: it's the journey that matters. You got all your loose ends tied up during the game, and you should've been appreciating it. Curing the genophage? Putting quarian back on Rennoch? Making the geth a real intelligent race? These are the moments that mattered. The end was never going to be good enough, and it wasn't supposed to be. No this is complete bullshit. It would be one thing if it were just some generic action movie ending. But this ending literally makes all the specifics of your journey entirely meaningless. It doesn't matter if you put the quarian back on Rannoch, because 90% of their race is on Earth now with no way of getting back to the home they just reclaimed. Curing the genophage just means that you have billions and billions of Krogan overpopulating their local solar system because they have no means of leaving. It also means that any Krogan on Earth, should there be any females, will massively overpopulate and probably end up fighting with everyone else. Wrex is also stuck on Earth, so even if he can keep them safe, he can't guide the Krogan back home to not go crazy and nuke each other to death. Making the geth a real intelligent race is completely moot if you picked destroy, seeing as how you commit genocide in doing so. It's not a matter of the end not being good enough. It's a matter of the end being so actively terrible that it makes almost every decision you made entirely loving pointless.
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I was honestly trying to not spoil ME3 for myself, but all this hubbub about the endings that culminated in my friend telling me that 'These endings are so bad it's like they hired George Lucas to give them shark-jumping lessons' made me youtube them up before I beat the game. Holy poo poo, how did they ever think this was a good idea? I'm going to imagine my own endings instead. Ugh.
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