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Doctor Spaceman: Jul 6, 2010

The Grimace posted:

Romancing Snooki looks incredibly boring. Quite amazing how many of us didn't give two shits about Allers to even see what happens until youtube comes by. I didn't even know who Chobot was until I started reading this thread; she just seemed like a really ugly face.

She's also got very little dialog (thankfully), and no real character (unlike Cortez or Traynor).

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# ? May 19, 2013 16:51

Codependent Poster: Oct 20, 2003; Emergency induction port.

Shimrra Jamaane posted:

We should make a new thread for speculation about the hat.

The hat needs to be worn by Marauder Shields.

# ? Mar 16, 2012 21:15

Thwomp: Apr 9, 2003; BA-DUHHH

Oxxidation posted:

Apparently, that's what happens to her Decoy whenever you use it in a stage that contains a Reaper.

That's horrifying.

Also, if the writers wanted to leave stingers in there, how easy would it be to have these two for "success" and "fail".

Success: Fast forward and see some other race (hanar? maybe just a completely alien "lesser" species in citadel space) creating a synthetic lifeform. Have it call it Sovereign.

Failure: Have a species in the future find Liara's beacon with Shepard. "My name is Commander Shepard. This is my story and my warning...."

# ? Mar 16, 2012 21:16

Zzulu: May 15, 2009

The Wall posted:

If they think Green is the best ending why do you need more points to unlock the Red Shepard lives ending, wuuuuh? Speculation abounds.

Also I had Diana Allers on my ship but I had no idea what the point to her character was most of the game. Especially when we already had two journalists in the game already! Now I've learned more I guess it was a lame guest spot for some chick I've never heard of who licks PSPs or something? What?

I thought the idea of her was the interviews, which were alright bad voice acting aside, but then there were only two of them so that was kind of a let down.

Actually, if you do the interviews (where the camera shifts perspective to the floating camera) and answer the questions well your war assets get upgraded. I got a boon to my EMS score after an interview because the troops got inspired by my speech or somesuch

# ? Mar 16, 2012 21:16

Sky Shadowing: Feb 13, 2012; At least we're not the Thalmor (yet).

Mr.Unique-Name posted:

Talimancers were the prototypes for bronies.

Yeah... I'm pleased to see that here, there's a healthy community of mild Talimancers. Like me. We like Tali, but not overtly crazy. We know she's a fictional character.

# ? Mar 16, 2012 21:16

Lemon King: Oct 4, 2009; im nt posting wif a mark on my head

Annakie posted:

MassEffect 3 Ending.flv

Sums up the ending pretty well, once again.

# ? Mar 16, 2012 21:17

Tezzeract: Dec 25, 2007; How am I going to explain this to my wife?

The Wall posted:

"Commander, the Quarians just fought a devestating war with the geth. Now help me take my pants off for the most awkward intercourse ever. Don't tell anybody."

This is art, much like Hamlet, therefore you should NEVER change this.

The question isn't about changing the material ... Bioware already changed the ending once before release. The question is should fans force the developers to change their work? Mass Effect 3 isn't a service, so there's no contract obligating them to do anything. You either enjoy it or you don't.

# ? Mar 16, 2012 21:18

Codependent Poster: Oct 20, 2003; Emergency induction port.

Sky Shadowing posted:

Yeah... I'm pleased to see that here, there's a healthy community of mild Talimancers. Like me. We like Tali, but not overtly crazy. We know she's a fictional character.

Tali's cool and had the best line.

# ? Mar 16, 2012 21:18

Thwomp: Apr 9, 2003; BA-DUHHH

Codependent Poster posted:

Tali's cool and had the best line.

Tali didn't say "I'm Garrus Vakarian and THIS is now my favorite spot on the Citadel."

# ? Mar 16, 2012 21:19

Codependent Poster: Oct 20, 2003; Emergency induction port.

r1ngwthszzors posted:

The question isn't about changing the material ... Bioware already changed the ending once before release. The question is should fans force the developers to change their work? Mass Effect 3 isn't a service, so there's no contract obligating them to do anything. You either enjoy it or you don't.

Of course they don't have to do anything, but if they don't they're pissing away the goodwill fans have for them, and eventually will be closed because their name is tainted and associated with "gently caress the fans" and "bad games". They're already halfway there thanks to DA2.

# ? Mar 16, 2012 21:19

canada jezus: Jul 18, 2011

LazyDivey posted:

Nah man Shepard has been in a coma since his brain overloaded after encountering the beacon on Eden Prime. All of Mass Effect has been a very elaborate dream his brain created trying to repair the damage.

After the ME3 end you wake up on eden prime, now you know whats coming and you've got a fighting chance in mass effect 4,5 and 6

# ? Mar 16, 2012 21:20

CaptainCarrot: Jun 9, 2010

Thwomp posted:

Tali didn't say "I'm Garrus Varakian and THIS is now my favorite spot on the Citadel."

She did, however, say "emergency induction port" and "You like Liara! And you like me, too!"

# ? Mar 16, 2012 21:20

Mr.Unique-Name: Jul 5, 2002; Good. You read this avatar.
So you survived disagreeing with me about video games. The legend of Mr.Unique-Name needs to be rewritten.

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Sky Shadowing posted:

Yeah... I'm pleased to see that here, there's a healthy community of mild Talimancers. Like me. We like Tali, but not overtly crazy. We know she's a fictional character.

Yeah, I like Tali, I like the romance dialogs with her, but creepy rear end nerds love taking poo poo too far and making something look horrible. Hence why I feel my comparison was apt.

# ? Mar 16, 2012 21:20

Cthulu Carl: Apr 16, 2006; Your words are as empty as your cereal bowl. I am the Vanguard of your Hanzo steel's destruction. This exchange is over...

The Grimace posted:

Romancing Snooki looks incredibly boring. Quite amazing how many of us didn't give two shits about Allers to even see what happens until youtube comes by. I didn't even know who Chobot was until I started reading this thread; she just seemed like a really ugly face.

I'm kind of disappointed that telling her to get off the ship doesn't result in Shepard throwing her deformed rear end out the airlock.

# ? Mar 16, 2012 21:20

Sky Shadowing: Feb 13, 2012; At least we're not the Thalmor (yet).

Codependent Poster posted:

Tali's cool and had the best line.

I actually saw your avatar pre-Drunken Tali scene and thought it was just a joke.

Then I saw it and I think having seen it added something to the scene for me.

So thank you for that.

Ironically, I also had ventured into the other ME3 thread and saw something about Tali's face being on a picture. I immediately backed out, disappointed I'd spoiled it for me. Then I dreamed something, but when I woke, I couldn't remember whether or not the spoiler had been part of the dream.

I later came to the conclusion that my BRAIN negated the spoiler itself.

# ? Mar 16, 2012 21:21

CaptainCarrot: Jun 9, 2010

Doctor Spaceman posted:

She's also got very little dialog (thankfully), and no real character (unlike Cortez or Traynor).

I like Traynor a lot. She's cute (unlike Allers), has a fun personality and does things on the ship that matter (unlike Allers), and her accent is adorable (unlike Allers). Sorry, Jessica. You're good-looking in real life (when you haven't had a pound of makeup laid on you), but your role in ME3 just doesn't hold a candle to hers.

# ? Mar 16, 2012 21:22

The Operative: Mar 15, 2012; I'd rather run over you with my car!

Lemon King posted:

Holy poo poo, she is made of nightmares!

I'm glad I chose the "Destroy" ending.

# ? Mar 16, 2012 21:22

Palisader: Mar 14, 2012

I really, genuinely wonder why it's Tali specifically that gets the creepy fans. I love Garrus, but it's shorthand for "he is a well written character with a believable arc and personality and he's voiced by a great actor" not that I love Garrus. I've also seen a ton of Liara love and while there's a really disproportionate amount of blue babies talk (I'm assuming it comes up in one of the romance dialogs? I hope.) I haven't seen anyone outright in love with Liara.

# ? Mar 16, 2012 21:24

Thwomp: Apr 9, 2003; BA-DUHHH

Palisader posted:

I really, genuinely wonder why it's Tali specifically that gets the creepy fans. I love Garrus, but it's shorthand for "he is a well written character with a believable arc and personality and he's voiced by a great actor" not that I love Garrus. I've also seen a ton of Liara love and while there's a really disproportionate amount of blue babies talk (I'm assuming it comes up in one of the romance dialogs? I hope.) I haven't seen anyone outright in love with Liara.

It probably has something to do with the whole "unknowable, untouchable creature" thing that some people have complexes over.

# ? Mar 16, 2012 21:25

Sky Shadowing: Feb 13, 2012; At least we're not the Thalmor (yet).

Palisader posted:

I really, genuinely wonder why it's Tali specifically that gets the creepy fans. I love Garrus, but it's shorthand for "he is a well written character with a believable arc and personality and he's voiced by a great actor" not that I love Garrus. I've also seen a ton of Liara love and while there's a really disproportionate amount of blue babies talk (I'm assuming it comes up in one of the romance dialogs? I hope.) I haven't seen anyone outright in love with Liara.

My guess from when I was entrenched among the craziest Tali fans was that the Tali fandom is, for some reason, significantly larger than any other LI fandom.

In proportion, they have the same number of crazy fans. But because Tali's fanbase is larger, there are more crazy fans. And crazy fans are loud fans. More trolls, etc.

# ? Mar 16, 2012 21:26

The Operative: Mar 15, 2012; I'd rather run over you with my car!

Palisader posted:

I really, genuinely wonder why it's Tali specifically that gets the creepy fans. I love Garrus, but it's shorthand for "he is a well written character with a believable arc and personality and he's voiced by a great actor" not that I love Garrus. I've also seen a ton of Liara love and while there's a really disproportionate amount of blue babies talk (I'm assuming it comes up in one of the romance dialogs? I hope.) I haven't seen anyone outright in love with Liara.

She is a virginal, naive engineer with a fill-in-the-blank face.

# ? Mar 16, 2012 21:26

Zzulu: May 15, 2009

Because they didn't give Tali a face so they could let their creepy fantasy run wild

# ? Mar 16, 2012 21:26

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Nelson Mandingo posted:

Casey Hudson and Mac Walter's ego.

LOTS OF SPECULATION FROM EVERYONE

on why we still have jobs.

# ? Mar 16, 2012 21:27

The Wall: Jan 2, 2012

r1ngwthszzors posted:

The question isn't about changing the material ... Bioware already changed the ending once before release. The question is should fans force the developers to change their work? Mass Effect 3 isn't a service, so there's no contract obligating them to do anything. You either enjoy it or you don't.

I think that's a fair argument that warrants an indepth discussion, but I wanted to make a joke about that one person who compaired wanting to change Mass Effect 3 with wanting to change Hamlet.

# ? Mar 16, 2012 21:27

PancakeMan: Jun 24, 2007; Lose your time, lose your mind, drink that wine.

http://www.forbes.com/sites/johngau...sses-new-movie/

Well, apparently good ol' Casey at the bat has plenty of time to start hyping the movie. Still no response on the ending issues.

# ? Mar 16, 2012 21:27

CaptainCarrot: Jun 9, 2010

Palisader posted:

I really, genuinely wonder why it's Tali specifically that gets the creepy fans. I love Garrus, but it's shorthand for "he is a well written character with a believable arc and personality and he's voiced by a great actor" not that I love Garrus. I've also seen a ton of Liara love and while there's a really disproportionate amount of blue babies talk (I'm assuming it comes up in one of the romance dialogs? I hope.) I haven't seen anyone outright in love with Liara.

It does, in the Shadow Broker.

Liara: So, what do you see happening after this whole business is over?
Shepard: I dunno, marriage, old age, and a lot of little blue babies?

Paraphrased, to some extent, but that's more or less what they say.

# ? Mar 16, 2012 21:27

Cthulu Carl: Apr 16, 2006; Your words are as empty as your cereal bowl. I am the Vanguard of your Hanzo steel's destruction. This exchange is over...

Palisader posted:

I really, genuinely wonder why it's Tali specifically that gets the creepy fans. I love Garrus, but it's shorthand for "he is a well written character with a believable arc and personality and he's voiced by a great actor" not that I love Garrus. I've also seen a ton of Liara love and while there's a really disproportionate amount of blue babies talk (I'm assuming it comes up in one of the romance dialogs? I hope.) I haven't seen anyone outright in love with Liara.

The blue babies thing is actually a line from the Shadow Broker DLC when you talk to Liara about your relationship.

I think creepy nerds flock to Tali because the realtionship is pretty creepy itself when you think about it, and I say this as someone who's "canon Shep" ended up with her.

# ? Mar 16, 2012 21:27

jsun: Jun 23, 2004; I've brought you some cake and wine

NmareBfly posted:

It's good stuff. I'm gonna quote it because plenty of people won't follow the link:

Now fit this into a tweet and get it to Bioware.

This is great. Really hammers home how poo poo the ending is.

Also, there's another Forbes article about Mass Effect today and I'm not sure if it got posted:

http://www.forbes.com/sites/davidth...or-video-games/

# ? Mar 16, 2012 21:29

Sombrerotron: Aug 1, 2004; Release my children! My hat is truly great and mighty.

r1ngwthszzors posted:

The question isn't about changing the material ... Bioware already changed the ending once before release. The question is should fans force the developers to change their work? Mass Effect 3 isn't a service, so there's no contract obligating them to do anything. You either enjoy it or you don't.

I agree with Codependent Poster. Regardless of BioWare's views on fan-appeasement, I think it would be a sound business strategy of them to offer at least one alternate ending that is basically in line with the general expectations that ME1 through ME3 created.

# ? Mar 16, 2012 21:29

CaptainCarrot: Jun 9, 2010

r1ingwthsczzors posted:

The question isn't about changing the material ... Bioware already changed the ending once before release. The question is should fans force the developers to change their work? Mass Effect 3 isn't a service, so there's no contract obligating them to do anything. You either enjoy it or you don't.

Fans cannot force Bioware to do anything. Fans can express their desires that the ending be changed in vehement language, but ultimately the decision is entirely up to Bioware.

# ? Mar 16, 2012 21:29

Killer robot: Sep 6, 2010; REMEMBER ME!

Palisader posted:

I really, genuinely wonder why it's Tali specifically that gets the creepy fans. I love Garrus, but it's shorthand for "he is a well written character with a believable arc and personality and he's voiced by a great actor" not that I love Garrus. I've also seen a ton of Liara love and while there's a really disproportionate amount of blue babies talk (I'm assuming it comes up in one of the romance dialogs? I hope.) I haven't seen anyone outright in love with Liara.

Tali's creepy following gets lampshaded in that one Turian/Quarian conversation on Illium in ME2. "It's always the same thing. Oooh, she could get sick. She's so vulnerable. I wonder what she looks like under the helmet." That and she's got the occasional "awkward geeky girl" vibe if you read it right. Mostly, she hews pretty close to some archetypes that the creepy nerds go for, moe anime style. So does Liara in ME1, though not as closely.

# ? Mar 16, 2012 21:30

Jblade: Sep 5, 2006

Thwomp posted:

It probably has something to do with the whole "unknowable, untouchable creature" thing that some people have complexes over.

This and them thinking that she's weak, timid and shy. Even though this has never been the case and she was actually pretty competant. Surviving assasination attempts from a Spectre's mercenariess is a pretty big deal I'd say. I did think the whole talking about Shepard thing in her logs in her recruitment mission in ME2 was flat-out stupid though. "Shepard used a mining laser to destroy some rocks. Maybe I can do the same with some explosives?" Aren't you like an engineer Tali, surely you would know to blow up some loving rocks without Shepard around.

# ? Mar 16, 2012 21:30

The Quake: Nov 1, 2006

Liara's pretty cute and all, but I'd drop her in a second for Aria.

# ? Mar 16, 2012 21:31

randombattle: Oct 16, 2008; This hand of mine shines and roars! It's bright cry tells me to grasp victory!

PancakeMan posted:

http://www.forbes.com/sites/johngau...sses-new-movie/

Well, apparently good ol' Casey at the bat has plenty of time to start hyping the movie. Still no response on the ending issues.

So is the plan for the movie to end with LOTS OF SPECCULATION FROM EVERYONE.

# ? Mar 16, 2012 21:31

Lloyd Boner: Oct 11, 2009; Raw doggin' it

CaptainCarrot posted:

Fans cannot force Bioware to do anything. Fans can express their desires that the ending be changed in vehement language, but ultimately the decision is entirely up to Bioware.

Actually it's ultimately up to EA.

# ? Mar 16, 2012 21:31

1965917: Oct 4, 2005

Zzulu posted:

Because they didn't give Tali a face so they could let their creepy fantasy run wild

I thought that people just really loved her personality, everything she says has "nerd bait" written all over it

# ? Mar 16, 2012 21:31

Aristobulus: Mar 20, 2007; Slap omni-gel on
everything.

These avatars paid for Lowtax new boat.

Killer robot posted:

I don't have too much to say about the ending: I got there, it reinforced the themes of the game and filled in the missing pieces of plot that had me wondering, and every conventional sort of closure I wanted was gotten before even getting to the beam. I would have changed a few little things, and some of the ideas I've seen for making it a little more elaborate and explicit would have been neat, but I'm satisfied with what I got.

The part of the game that irritated the hell out of me though? The temple on Thessia. Liara has made a life's study of the Protheans. It's a known thing that the Protheans had an observation station on Mars, and I got the impression this was not unique to humans. There's a whole species with a religion based on being uplifted by the Protheans. Really uplifting is a pretty broad and common theme in the galaxy at large. And for that matter, if you have From Ashes you have a whole game of Javik talking to her about how he knew all the current races and what primitive habits they used to keep. Now, Liara's often pretty dense especially for someone that found a new career in intelligence brokering, but the level of "oh no how could our most ancient religions reflect legends of Prothean intervention in our culture?" was ridiculous. Even given that the contents of the temple were secret, surely it would be a matter of speculation with any sort of ancient religions that could be construed as alien intervention. It was enough to make me barely even notice Kai Leng's shoddy execution.

This is really, really similar to something that got posted in the other ME3 thread so I'm just gonna copy and paste my response there.

Aristobulus posted:

Liara could see it, she just didn't want to believe it. It's a drastic shift in how she has to view her own peoples culture and history. I can't really blame her for not wanting to admit it is true.

As for the beacon...I may have to go over the scene again to see if this is addressed, but isn't it the case that people just couldn't understand the beacon? I mean, Shepard finds the beacon on Eden Prime and can barely understand it. The beacons were really made for protheans to be able to understand and nobody in the modern universe in ME seems to have a good way to translate it, it's even more likely that Asari in the past would be unable to understand the beacon.

# ? Mar 16, 2012 21:34

Spacebump: Dec 23, 2003; Nowitzness

CaptainCarrot posted:

Fans cannot force Bioware to do anything. Fans can express their desires that the ending be changed in vehement language, but ultimately the decision is entirely up to Bioware.

Fans can always just not buy Bioware games in the future if they don't do anything. I really doubt I'll buy another one, especially after they started trolling their fans on twitter.

This whole situation has so far caused me to stop reading kotaku and I'll probably stop looking at penny-arcade.

# ? Mar 16, 2012 21:34

Party Plane Jones: Jul 1, 2007; Flying the friendly skies in relative safet-oh god the engine fell off

Lloyd Boner posted:

Actually it's ultimately up to EA.

I really don't see how EA wouldn't spring for the DLC, Bioware's reputation (or lack thereof) be damned. $50,000 in 4 days just for a charity to send the point that they want DLC is dollar signs in EA's eyes. It really shouldn't take that long either since they still have people working on the other DLCs; it isn't like they closed shop.

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# ? May 19, 2013 16:51

MadRhetoric: Feb 18, 2011; I POSSESS QUESTIONABLE TASTE IN TOUHOU GAMES

DMBFan23 posted:

the best ending is obviously the one where you do zero sidequests, kill as many people along the way as possible, and collect as few assets as possible

to save them from being on the citadel, stranded in the sol system, or huskified

meta shepard is merciful, but looks like an rear end in a top hat while doing it

tl;dr: casey was telling the truth even when he was trying to lie. a bioware exec failed at doing a thing! *mind blown*

A merciful meta-Shep (meaning one who didn't gently caress up in ME1 and 2) should probably still cure the genophage and get the twofer on Rannoch. And probably make the TIM checks, but fail the Anderson interrupt so they can be put out of their misery. Everything else can burn.

With Tali, it's a mixture of being faceless and "exotic" while still being heavy nerdbait. ME1 Liara was nerdbait, too, but she hardened up in ME2 thanks to LotSB and became *gasp* a nuanced character. Not saying Tali isn't nuanced, but she stays nerdbait.

EDIT: Word of advice: if you say you're a "mild" version of a terrible Internet thing, chances are you aren't. You don't need to tell people that.

MadRhetoric fucked around with this message at Mar 16, 2012 around 21:41

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