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MisterBibs posted:I would make a distinction between the amount of people complaining about ME3's ending and the amount of people who play a FemShep, though. Their own data points out that, according to their player base, Shep is a Male Soldier. That only furthers my point, then. If a small fraction of the fanbase making a stink caused them to change their plans twice, you can expect they will react to this.
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CVagts posted:Just beat the game. Chose the Destroy option and I'm not particularly interested in seeing how the other two play out, because they seem so against what Shepard would even consider. You already saw them.
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Verviticus posted:This is the company that finally gave in to making a canon female Shepard, and asked the fans to decide what she looked like. When she was ultimately made a blonde and the fans went nuts they held another vote to determine her hair colour. They'll respond to this somehow, probably with DLC. I am a lady who was thrilled that a female lead was finally getting some well-deserved goddamn attention...but I really do not understand why her being blonde was such a heinous crime. I know that blondes have a stereotype, but it's just a pretty hair color in my eyes and Shep can still be blonde while being a stone cold badass lady in space. Oh well. The canon red hair did result in a pretty cool duochrome red/purple hair color amongst the choices.
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I would have vastly preferred the ending being that the Cruciable thing was a gently caress off big cannon and most of the reapers get headshotted. Then Harbinger goes into the Citadel and starts an auto destruct that will destroy Earth with the debris as one last final gently caress you to Humanity. Then Shepard goes all Worf/Randy Quaid/Divine Wind on the Reaper and running The Normandy into the Reaper to stop it. And your choice can be that either you fly it, or EDI, or Joker fly it in. Everyone else gets into escape pods and the epilogue plays where everyone went different places except for Tali who got put in prison for tax evasion completely unrelated to the ME trilogy.
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Schlegel Mach posted:Didn't that same data also show that the majority of people who played ME2 never finished it? According to what I'm reading, 50% of people finish it, which (if I remember correctly) extremely high. That doesn't mean the stats or wrong, or anything.
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You know, the ending was outlined (only outlined) in the leaked script and I remember reading it months ago, but at the time it was so loose I figured it was probably going to be okay. Sounded really Deus Ex (I mean the first one, in that the choices were basically pitched in the text as "Relay-Free Dark Age/Shepard-Driven Reaper Illuminati/Helios- I Mean, 'Synthesis'") but since it was just an outline the fact that I didn't see any post-game dialogue or epilogue summaries or anything didn't bug me. Then again, the catalyst/little kid thing wasn't in there either, it just mentioned the choice would be made in the Reaper AI Core on-board the Citadel. Now, that sounded pretty cheesy, but again with so little to go on there was no reason to think that it wouldn't work in execution. Actually seeing it, though... yikes.
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Tali never gets to go home again. 
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Tali takes a walk off a cliff, right where she belongs.
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Androc posted:Tali never gets to go home again. I love how the Quarians get their homeworld back yet are stuck on Earth. Absolutely trollworthy.
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Yeah they're going to have a run on resources very quickly with almost everyone being earth based now.
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Scionix posted:I mean those parts were okay but outside of a video game those "touching moments" are kind of cheesy and tired. Scientist sacrifices himself for science. Sings a song he already sang, but it takes a ~tragic~ tone. Assassin sacrifices himself to another assassin, you comfort him on his deathbead. Baw? Sure, and the Man protecting the kid in The Road is a tired father son story. Jesus Christ get over yourself.
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Jarmel posted:I love how the Quarians get their homeworld back yet are stuck on Earth. And the Krogans get to inherit another post-apocalyptic nightmare of a world.
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I agree with people that didn't like the ending, but anything I would say has already been said a million times over. What I would love to talk about is all the different things that can happen in the game. For instance, in the last few days I found out that the following things that didn't happen in my game can, in fact, happen! Miranda lives, the geth and quarians do not have peace which causes Tali to jump off a cliff when the geth murders her entire race, Jack becomes a phantom, Morinth becomes a Banshee in the missile battery fight on earth, and probably a bunch of other stuff I have no idea about. So is there a list of cool things that can happen depending on what you do or don't do? I played Paragon basically the entire way through and did every side quest in ME1 and 2 (skipped a few in ME3). What happens if you destroy the research data in Mordin's loyalty mission, for example? Also, aside from all the regular complaining, I love how the Rachni were basically thrown in as an "oh poo poo, we forgot" type thing if you saved them. A major story point in the first game, big enough that they send a "we will be read" messager to you in the second, and all you get is 100 points to your War Assets 
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Off topic to the endings. I really like EDI. The first way through I just vowed to never use her, but in this new playthrough, I'm really warming up to her, the EDI character itself was always neat, but in 2 it was stuck to the ship, now I have a mobile EDI, and she acts the same as she did in 2. The issue isn't her, its Joker, he went from a wisecracking support character to the creepiest pedophile character possible, and every interaction between the two of them is fairly cringeworthy. Also, sorry to break it to people, but you will never see a response from Bioware about the endings. The best thing you can hope for is a $15 DLC that shows Shepard getting back up, and boarding a shuttle that can only land on the planet the Normandy is on, landing on it, maybe talking to the rest of the crew, and then an THE END screen. Bioware has never taken criticism well ( Awakening, Jarvik, DA2, SWTOR, ME2 ending ), and has always assumed the fault was the players, why should this situation be any different. That is of course assuming Bioware didn't plan to sell the good ending DLC in the future, which may very well be possible.
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Beanpants posted:What was the ending in the original script supposed to be? The ending in the leaked script is actually exactly what we got in the game. code:
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Not saving the data during Mordin's loyalty mission in ME2 means Eve dies in ME3, which can result in you convincing Mordin not to sacrifice himself if Wrex is also dead. Legion becomes a bad guy during the Cerberus Assault if you turned him over to the illusive man. If you rescued David, the autistic VI-Human hybrid from Project Overlord, he recognizes you in ME3 on Grissom Academy and unlocks a door giving you the Mattock rifle and a mod or two, his dad also will wind up working on the Crucible. The only thing I was really curious about was if you had never let Grunt out of the tank, as one of the last things Grunt ever says to you is "Thanks for letting me out of that tank Shepard." PhantomZero fucked around with this message at Mar 12, 2012 around 03:03 |
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So if you kill the Council in ME1, do they just usurp the human Council and have the regular Council back up and running in ME3?
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Rookersh posted:The issue isn't her, its Joker, he went from a wisecracking support character to the creepiest pedophile character possible, and every interaction between the two of them is fairly cringeworthy. Wait, how is Joker a pedophile?
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EDI is like, a year and a half old.
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Mass effect 4: Three's company scaled to an earth size.
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jonjonaug posted:Wait, how is Joker a pedophile?
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And for a slightly off topic reference to the weirdness that is robot sex watch this weeks episode of archer.
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IcePhoenix posted:Jack becomes a phantom, Morinth becomes a Banshee in the missile battery fight on earth Good god. 
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Rookersh posted:Off topic to the endings. I'm really the same way. A lot of it has to do with how the script leak was always presented as "JOKER AND EDI HAVE COMPLETELY UNAVOIDABLE ROBOT SEX!" and I think that soured a lot of people on it. Instead, it ends up being a pretty natural progression of her character and the synthetic-organic theme while both she and Joker can be easily convinced not to gently caress. The fact that there's an option for them to gently caress at all, as well as her over-sexualized body, is terrible but the rest of it was okay.
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The "everything after the conduit/illusive man is all an indoctrination hallucination" idea is something that could work. If it had been there when the game was shipped. If they intentionally made 3 "gotcha" endings just so they could extort the actual, real not-a-dream ending through DLC, then I would throw a brick through BioWare's windows. Holy poo poo. The only thing I really want is for the Reapers to not be a retarded non-sequitur. The idea of them being some sort of intergalactic brain trust that periodically harvests the galaxy for new perspectives on solving Dark Energy/Entropy/Space Macguffin is predictable and bland. But it's infinitely better then "The Reapers need to prevent synthetics because... [DATA UNAVAILABLE]"
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Beanpants posted:Good god. Are they unique Phantom/Banshees or just regular ones with unique names? Or do they even have unique names? Figures that they would have uniques of my two least favorite enemies. Thankfully there's no way to have Wrex be a unique Brute.
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I put the brakes on that relationship as fast as I could because the chemistry just wasn't there and she probably would have killed him, but teaching the fembot about this human emotion called love is a venerable enough cliche that I'd have been willing to let it slide if it were inevitable. There comes a point in any space opera where you have no choice but to embrace the pulp.
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Digiwizzard posted:The "everything after the conduit/illusive man is all an indoctrination hallucination" idea is something that could work. If it had been there when the game was shipped. If they intentionally made 3 "gotcha" endings just so they could extort the actual, real not-a-dream ending through DLC, then I would throw a brick through BioWare's windows. Holy poo poo. The Reapers need to preserve organics and prevent synthetics because a techno-organic clash is inevitable from their perspective and no one's been able to stop it yet. Ut's essentially the same issue, just framed with different, more relevant factors than 'oh, there's energy out there. Bad, dark, energy.'
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Dan Didio posted:The Reapers need to preserve organics and prevent synthetics because a techno-organic clash is inevitable from their perspective and no one's been able to stop it yet. This makes no loving sense, by the way. A race of synthetic organisms built to safeguard organics by murdering and harvesting all organic life so that synthetic life can't destroy it.
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Bongo Bill posted:I put the brakes on that relationship as fast as I could because the chemistry just wasn't there and she probably would have killed him, but teaching the fembot about this human emotion called love is a venerable enough cliche that I'd have been willing to let it slide if it were inevitable. There comes a point in any space opera where you have no choice but to embrace the pulp. "I only forget to recycle the Normandy's oxygen when I've discovered something TRULY interesting." *cut to horrified Shepard* "That was a joke." If you didn't fall in love with fembot EDI after that, I don't know what to tell you.
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Whatever happened to EDI and Joker having a nice, platonic relationship in ME2 anyways? That was substantially less creepy.
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Giggily posted:This makes no loving sense, by the way. A race of synthetic organisms built to safeguard organics by murdering and harvesting all organic life so that synthetic life can't destroy it. From their perspective it's not murdering though, it's preserving. They sacrifice the rest, preserve the best and hope that this time they'll be able to solve the problem. It's not executed well, but hte concept is no worse than the dumb as poo poo 'dark energy' idea, which is the same concept but with the only interesting, relevant factor turned into pointless, arbitrary techno-babble.
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Giggily posted:This makes no loving sense, by the way. A race of synthetic organisms built to safeguard organics by murdering and harvesting all organic life so that synthetic life can't destroy it. It makes a bit more sense if you consider that the Reapers distinguish between harvesting and outright exterminating organic life. If it's inevitable that synthetics will destroy them, they figure they might as well salvage the best ones for themselves. Not that it's not still dumb in context, but in a vacuum it holds up.
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Giggily posted:This makes no loving sense, by the way. A race of synthetic organisms built to safeguard organics by murdering and harvesting all organic life so that synthetic life can't destroy it. We've been over this: they don't murder and harvest all organic life. Humans weren't wiped out when the Protheans were. They harvest organic life with the capability to create synthetic life, so that other organic life can continue living. They see no resolution in which synthetic life doesn't wipe out all organic life, so they simply keep synthetic life from being created in large scale and do the most merciful thing they can in "harvesting," rather than just nuking the poo poo out of everyone. efb 2x 
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ASK ME ABOUT GETTING REAL MAD IN A SECRET SANTA FOR RECEIVING THE EXACT GAG PRESENT I ASKED FOR AND THEN DOING A COMPLETE U-TURN WHEN I REALISED IT WASN'T EVEN THE ENTIRE PRESENT
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Internet Kraken posted:Whatever happened to EDI and Joker having a nice, platonic relationship in ME2 anyways? That was substantially less creepy. It's always been pretty obvious to me that Joker LOVED that ship, even before it had a voice and sexy fembot body. The Joker/EDI stuff didn't bother me in the least.
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They did leave themselves several 'outs' to retcon the ending if they want to. If they do, they should get Kojima involved because only that man could pull some off-the-wall poo poo out of his rear end and make us believe it.
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IcePhoenix posted:
I liked it because I thought it was a hilarious twist that the race of easily mind controlled insects was in fact, easily mind controlled and useless against the Reapers  . Then I found out that the Rachni apparently show up regardless of whether you saved the queen or not? What the gently caress?
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IcePhoenix posted:Miranda lives, the geth and quarians do not have peace which causes Tali to jump off a cliff when the geth murders her entire race, Jack becomes a phantom, Morinth becomes a Banshee in the missile battery fight on earth, and probably a bunch of other stuff I have no idea about. I destroyed the research data, which seems to cause 2 things. Wrex didn't trust me as much (until after I defused that bomb) and Eve dies. Which means that less of the Krogan clans unite for the fight against the reapers.
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Slim Killington posted:*table breaking Space Jam* So show of hands, who here actually thinks a revisionist DLC is a possibility? A lot of people seem to be taking the notion seriously, but given how Bioware stuck to their guns on Dragon Age 2 despite it being, in its entirety, an even bigger rush job than the ending of ME3, I don't think it's very likely. Besides, it would set a precedent for DLC content that I'm not sure EA would want to gently caress with. I mean sure, they'd probably make good money off of it, but it wouldn't exactly quell the outrage.
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