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SurreptitiousMuffin posted:There have been about four youtube edits of new endings posted so far, all perfect and all exactly the same- Shepherd kills TIM, crucible docks and kills reapers. Pan out to show how various characters we've met are doing. Boom. Easy. So you want an ending that holds your hand like a Hollywood movie being written down so a 10-year-old can understand, I get it now.  (USER WAS PUT ON PROBATION FOR THIS POST) (USER WAS BANNED FOR THIS POST)
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For the synthesis ending didn't the robot kid also say that it would "end this cycle?" Meaning "everyone is going to die right now, but when the next species evolve they will be robot hybrids?" Or was I misreading that?
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Slim Killington posted:So you want an ending that holds your hand like a Hollywood movie being written down so a 10-year-old can understand, I get it now. gently caress yes we do! Thank you now you understand. Every game doesn't have to be grimdark and realistic and depressing because life is depressing. Sometimes we just want to pierce the heavens with guts and determination! In fact Gurren Lagann is the perfect example of ending that Mass Effect should have had. loving balls to the wall insane rear end poo poo with the good guys beating impossible odds by being loving awesome!
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My main problem with the endings isn't the transhumanism bent or how they're focusing on something they mostly talked about in the early games (the conflict between organics and machines in various forms). My problem is the use of color-coding as the main way of differentiating between them and how things like Joker escaping makes no sense (and every other plothole people have pointed out). Even when doing supposedly vastly different things, the endings don't seem to be very different at all. I would've been fine with all these harsh options if those options actually had consequences I could experience beyond the superficial. Feels like large portions of the plot were cut for whatever reason. Oh, and while I appreciate the work of the two non-actors in that winter scene, it wasn't really fitting to end the series that way.
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Slim Killington posted:So you want an ending that holds your hand like a Hollywood movie being written down so a 10-year-old can understand, I get it now. Yes, because Mass Effect is a loving Hollywood sci-fi action movie in video game form. You seem to have this weird notion that Mass Effect is this deep video game and that Bioware did this incredibly transcendentally intelligent thing by implying that the journey is what matters, not the destination, by making a lovely ending. Mass Effect is loving pulp sci-fi with big explosions, sex and guns.
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Slim Killington posted:So you want an ending that holds your hand like a Hollywood movie being written down so a 10-year-old can understand, I get it now.
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Rampant Dwickery posted:Someone already has. This is not an ending at all. The same cycle of creating synthetics and the eventual purge of chaos will continue. You're saying it's okay because this "ending" shows you the immediate results instead of the big picture? You stop the Reapers, everything's back to normal, the end, yay? That's satisfying? Sure, to a child maybe.
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Two Finger posted:Basically I liked it thematically but when you look at it, it pretty much falls apart because Bioware can't write worth a drat. Yeah Bioware can't write for poo poo man I 100% agree with you. The way they handled Mordin's noble sacrifice was horse poo poo, what was even worse was the way they wrote Shepard shooting Mordin in the back. The Quarian/Geth ordeal was horrible too and Bioware should just go back to whatever their prestigious doctorates are and leave the video game business to professionals.
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Slim Killington posted:So you want an ending that holds your hand like a Hollywood movie being written down so a 10-year-old can understand, I get it now. Not all of us. Just an ending that isn't suddenly TRANSHUMANISM DID IT AND ALSO NOTHING MATTERED EVER would be good enough for me. Even if poo poo is ruined and awful.
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My hope is that some dlc is released that will add missions which add up to a new revised special ending.
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Pladdicus posted:It's more like, eventually organic life will cease because robots will be so vastly superior and replace them, as Organic life will simply stagnate at a certain point. So the reapers come in and 'destroy' them before that and allow life to start to grow again. It doesn't even make sense from a synthetic vs. organic perspective. There's nothing stopping the newly minted cyborg species of the galaxy from just making more robots/AI to do their work for them, and then eventually have those AI rebel and start the whole thing over again. I see exactly 0 reasons why a cyborg wouldn't want to create additional AIs to do work for him, and why that AI couldn't eventually rebel and destroy its master.
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Slim Killington posted:This is not an ending at all. The same cycle of creating synthetics and the eventual purge of chaos will continue. You're saying it's okay because this "ending" shows you the immediate results instead of the big picture? You stop the Reapers, everything's back to normal, the end, yay? That's satisfying? Sure, to a child maybe. God you're a tool. (USER WAS PUT ON PROBATION FOR THIS POST)
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^^^ Says the illiterate.Lloyd Boner posted:Yes, because Mass Effect is a loving Hollywood sci-fi action movie in video game form. You seem to have this weird notion that Mass Effect is this deep video game and that Bioware did this incredibly transcendentally intelligent thing by implying that the journey is what matters, not the destination, by making a lovely ending. Mass Effect is loving pulp sci-fi with big explosions, sex and guns. Something's only as deep as you make it. I enjoyed my experience with the series, so I feel bad for you. Stick to shallower games.
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Slim Killington posted:This is not an ending at all. The same cycle of creating synthetics and the eventual purge of chaos will continue. You're saying it's okay because this "ending" shows you the immediate results instead of the big picture? You stop the Reapers, everything's back to normal, the end, yay? That's satisfying? Sure, to a child maybe. The game had clear signs of saying that we had broken the cycle. We finished the crucible, we defeated the reapers enough to get to the citadel after they invaded, Shepard was the first human to get to the crucible. To say the cycle can't be broken is just...depressing. It's just really weak, why build up the games in such a way to say choice matters and you actions effect outcomes if all characters get the same exact three endings all based on a choice made in the final moment? Because that wasn't what they were doing all along, it's counter to audience expectation which can be cool and subversive, or super retarded. It's super retarded in this case.
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Slim Killington posted:This is not an ending at all. The same cycle of creating synthetics and the eventual purge of chaos will continue. You're saying it's okay because this "ending" shows you the immediate results instead of the big picture? You stop the Reapers, everything's back to normal, the end, yay? That's satisfying? Sure, to a child maybe. e: quote:You're saying it's okay because this "ending" shows you the immediate results instead of the big picture? You stop the Reapers, everything's back to normal, the end, yay? That's satisfying? Sure, to a child maybe. SurreptitiousMuffin fucked around with this message at Mar 11, 2012 around 07:44 |
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Slim Killington posted:Something's only as deep as you make it. I enjoyed my experience with the series, so I feel bad for you. Stick to shallower games. Please give me a list of things about Mass Effect that are not sci-fi action cliches. I mean Jesus, this is Bioware, not Obsidian.
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Hey, I just noticed that TIM's eyes look pretty close to normal when he tells Shepard how he sees Earth as "perfect."
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I don't get why everyone assumes that everyone is trapped on Earth. There is still faster than light travel without the Relays. It will be a hell of a lot slower, sure (only 12 light years per day, less if you factor in refueling time), and the galaxy may never be as connected as it once was, but they are hardly cut of from the rest of the Galaxy. The Turians and Quarians can probably high-tail it to the nearest Dextro-based planet before they all starve. I'm not saying the endings are perfect. They are a lot of gaps and plot holes and unanswered questions. But they don't have to be quite as bad as everyone is making them out to be.
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Slim Killington posted:It goes on in some way. Why do you need to know exactly how? Who cares how? Honestly? Because I just spent several tens of hours immersed in a series with these characters and their lives/stories/ideals/etc. and I want to know at the bare minimum whether or not they actually survived. Not just the ME3 squad members, but also Samara, Wrex, Grunt, etc. I want to know if Earth is royally hosed because we just stranded a whole mess of different alien races -- tenuously at peace under a common goal thanks to Shepard. Granted, given the propensity of BioWare to produce comics/novels in the ME universe, we'll probably know these things eventually (whether or not we'll be pleased with the result is another story entirely), but it still feels like a disservice to everything the series built up to get to know none of that in the final game's ending.
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randombattle posted:gently caress it this is my ending
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SurreptitiousMuffin posted:You know, The Matrix wasn't written by Kafka. What garbage. For children. I hate to tell you but the Matrix is poo poo so I hope you aren't implying that it isn't.
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Slim Killington posted:^^^ Says the illiterate. Bioware tacks on the most trite example of transhumanism to the end of a three game franchise and suddenly it's super deep? Haha, you're an idiot or trolling, I'll be a chum and let you pick.
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There's a theory floating around that the whole ending sequence is an indoctrination attempt that started on earth with the kid and that the dreams were building up to Shepard hallucinating the end. Harbinger attempts to get you to save the reapers which is why the ending feels so disjointed and dream like. And that Shepard lives is only there if you destroy the reapers seems like it's grasping at straws to me but ehhh, I'd hope for anything at this point.
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Slim Killington posted:^^^ Says the illiterate. You really need to learn to not overplay your hand. The trolling was pretty effective until you started pulling this stuff out.
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Slim Killington posted:Something's only as deep as you make it. I enjoyed my experience with the series, so I feel bad for you. Stick to shallower games. If you're going to SuperMechaGodzilla us you need to put forth at least 1% of the effort he does.
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Slim Killington posted:I hate to tell you but the Matrix is poo poo so I hope you aren't implying that it isn't. I'm bowing out, Sir. I am truly awed by your intellect and do not wish to stand against it.
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Amateur Saboteur posted:From a weeaboo perspective this kind of owns. Man Gurren Lagann is absolutely 100% Mass Effect the anime. The whole point of the bad guy's story is "We are more advanced then you and if you advance too far you put the galaxy in danger so we will stomp you out before that happens." To which the heroes go "gently caress you we are strong enough to decide life for ourselves! As long as we work towards the future with each step we can protect the galaxy!" It is absolutely the ending Mass Effect should have had. Shepard should have punched Harbinger in the face to end the battle.
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Amateur Saboteur posted:Is there any actual reason Shepard survived a near direct hit from a beam that the Codex explicitly mentions can obliterate even the Alliance's largest Dreadnoughts in a single blow? The real tragedy is that even Reaper science could not overcome plot armor, but they came so close.
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randombattle posted:gently caress it this is my ending This is pretty fitting since the end of ME3 would basically be the equivalent of that series ending with the anti-spirals just winning out of nowhere and the all of humanity is extinguished and every single theme that had been ongoing through the series was entirely ignored in favor of an entirely unsatisfying ~*~deep~*~ cynical ending. Oh yeah and just a heads up sometimes the end is so awful it retroactively ruins the journey.
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If it's easier for people to call me a troll, then call me a troll. I just know there's a difference between "THIS ENDING IS BAD THEY CANT WRITE LOL" and "I don't like it." The ending is fine, whether you can appreciate it for what it is or not. It's not a great ending, I said that. But no ending was going to be. My first statement was that what really mattered lied in appreciating the journey. I didn't say BioWare intended that, I said that it mattered and that it's what you should've been doing. If you failed to do so, then again, I feel bad for you. Edit: I don't know where everyone is getting "deep" and "transhumanistic." I'm not implying that it's a philosophically deep ending; if anything it tries very hard to be in an extreme rush and falls on its face. What it is though, is a real END to the cycle of this "purge of chaos." No other ending anyone is coming up with actually addresses that, it just kind of ignores it. Because yeah that's great writing, let's write the trite ending we all want that's completely separated from the plot. Slim Killington fucked around with this message at Mar 11, 2012 around 07:50 |
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randombattle posted:Man Gurren Lagann is absolutely 100% Mass Effect the anime. The whole point of the bad guy's story is "We are more advanced then you and if you advance too far you put the galaxy in danger so we will stomp you out before that happens." To which the heroes go "gently caress you we are strong enough to decide life for ourselves! As long as we work towards the future with each step we can protect the galaxy!" Yeah I realized the similarities between the two, UNFORTUNATELY, Gurren Lagann handled the themes Mass Effect 3 tried to tack on at the end way better. Which is weird because the story in Gurren Lagann is -awful- (the show itself is hillarious and awesome)
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Slim Killington posted:If it's easier for people to call me a troll, then call me a troll. I just know there's a difference between "THIS ENDING IS BAD THEY CANT WRITE LOL" and "I don't like it." The ending is fine, whether you can appreciate it for what it is or not. It's not a great ending, I said that. But no ending was going to be. Responding to points people have said thoughtfully without tacking an insult to every post has made you seem very non-trollish. (see what I did.)
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Two Finger posted:Nope. Far as I can tell that made no difference at all. Maybe there was a throwaway line about being born there, but I don't remember him saying anything like that. In my Synthesis ending, Liara came out too with Joker and EDI. I romanced Liara so maybe the third is always your love interest. In my Destroy ending it was Garrus and Liara. (Garrus and Javik were my party members.) PhantomZero posted:Really? How does hell make any sense? Enjoy the comforts of heaven for half an hour before the devil knows you are dead and takes you down to hell, is how I interpreted it. You're really missing the point. It's basically saying that he hopes he can sneak your way into Heaven before the Devil knows your dead and can thus drag you down to hell.
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I haven't been this upset over a video game ending since Super Mario Bro. 2.
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Slim Killington posted:So you want an ending that holds your hand like a Hollywood movie being written down so a 10-year-old can understand, I get it now. Basically, yes. Mass Effect started as an endearing B-movie knockoff, it should end as one.
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I'm calling it Gurren Lagann is Mass Effect the anime. It is shot for shot how ME3 should have ended. Man watching that ending just makes it clear how much better it would have been if Harbinger was loving yelling at Shep the whole time. Slim Killington posted:If it's easier for people to call me a troll, then call me a troll. I just know there's a difference between "THIS ENDING IS BAD THEY CANT WRITE LOL" and "I don't like it." The ending is fine, whether you can appreciate it for what it is or not. It's not a great ending, I said that. But no ending was going to be. You aren't a troll you just have horrible taste in stories and don't understand thematic consistency. It's not our fault.
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Tov01 posted:I don't get why everyone assumes that everyone is trapped on Earth. There is still faster than light travel without the Relays. It will be a hell of a lot slower, sure (only 12 light years per day, less if you factor in refueling time), and the galaxy may never be as connected as it once was, but they are hardly cut of from the rest of the Galaxy. The Turians and Quarians can probably high-tail it to the nearest Dextro-based planet before they all starve. There is not enough fuel on earth to get everyone back to their homeworlds. There are not enough refueling stations close enough to get them back in spurts. None of it matters because when a Mass Relay is destroyed, it takes out the entire star system it's in, so earth exploded right after it cut away from everyone celebrating anyway, and all the other planets that were anywhere near a mass relay are also all gone. 
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Bioware is really good at writing the set pieces. (Mass Effect universe, Dragon age universe, Jade Empire, etc) and they are really good at writing characters along with the growth of the characters. (Mordin, Wrex, Legion, EDI, Conrad, Udina, Anderson, etc) and they are really good at the telling of the story. It's the dialogue and apparently the ending that they just haven't figured out.
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Sorry but an ending that openly drives straight into massive plot holes, executes a massive deus ex machina, ignores and pushes aside every single theme from the series, and gives no closure whatsoever, isn't "I don't like it." That's pretty firmly in "this ending is bad, and the writer is incompetent."
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TheJoker138 posted:There is not enough fuel on earth to get everyone back to their homeworlds. There are not enough refueling stations close enough to get them back in spurts. None of it matters because when a Mass Relay is destroyed, it takes out the entire star system it's in, so earth exploded right after it cut away from everyone celebrating anyway, and all the other planets that were anywhere near a mass relay are also all gone. People are still forgetting the Citadel explodes in low orbit over Earth. That is an object the size of the moon crashing into Earth. If the Reapers didn't completely devastate Earth then the explosion does. Also Sol has no inhabitable planets beside the aforementioned destroyed Earth so everyone is double hosed. I should edit that to be thematically appropriate to ME3's ending.
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