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ArdanSortek posted:Can we not rebuild the Geth? They started off as network intelligence anyway, and EDI was the Luna VI, so a semblance of that can be rebuilt as well. If you can have more kids, does that make killing the ones you have already a significantly lower moral cost? Destroy kinda sucks unless you're one of those Shepards who never bought that the Geth or EDI were really people anyway. Which at least is a choice you can build up to. Destroy vs. control was already the solution to the Geth base mission in ME2. Of course, in that one control ends up making it worse for you in the long run, I recall.
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TheJoker138 posted:No, he just says that someone had to show him how to use a keyboard and that it's retarded and we're retarded for using it. He never mentions the tubs in that e-mail. Javik owns. 
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Lemming posted:You're an idiot. The people who run the charity are very passionate about it and wouldn't be doing it if they didn't want to help out children. They obviously know way more about this kind of situation than you or I do because it's their loving jobs that they do all day, so acting like they're doing it just because they care they care about what people think, and not that they know more about things like how it might affect the sort of things they do to grow in the future, how it might affect brand recognition, etc, is extremely arrogant and stupid. They're receiving donations from a bunch of harmless, pissed of nerds who didn't like eating poo poo at the end of a video game not E.V.I.L corp ltd, you twat. It's obvious they've recently been leaned on by somebody otherwise they wouldn't have accepted 80k already.
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ArdanSortek posted:Can we not rebuild the Geth? They started off as network intelligence anyway, and EDI was the Luna VI, so a semblance of that can be rebuilt as well. I still remember the original spoiler thread, where In it for the Tank said that the Destroy ending didn't target all synthetic life, but all Reaper Tech. Since the Geth and EDI had Reaper tech in their system, the Crucible targeted them as well. If that's the case, then it might be possible to repair the Geth to pre-reaper code intelligence. (Unless they got disintegrated like the Reapers, in which case, they're out of luck.) Not sure about EDI, though. I'm not sure if this is still the case in the final game, but it's still my own head-canon, and I'm sticking to it. Tov01 fucked around with this message at Mar 23, 2012 around 01:50 |
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ArdanSortek posted:Can we not rebuild the Geth? They started off as network intelligence anyway, and EDI was the Luna VI, so a semblance of that can be rebuilt as well. You know why I picked destroy? Because after Mordin died I said "I'm going to kill you motherfuckers" and my Shep was a paragon shep who always kept her word. (I also promised to shoot TIM in the face, but I made him do that himself)
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ImpAtom posted:The problem is, as pointed out, people tend to enjoy the snowball effect. They are more likely to donate to something that is big and almost about to hit a milestone than they are to donate to a "fresh start." One can argue that being forced to change charities is likely to have a negative impact on the amount of money they would raise overall. This whole thing basically started with "gently caress you, my wallet is opened to other people because you pissed me off." I actually support people getting what they want in this whole mess, and there certainly isn't a problem, in my eyes, for Retake Mass Effect to use charities to raise awareness for the things they want. Whichever charity they choose next will probably welcome the money with open arms, and everyone still benefits.
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Ambiguatron posted:They're alive, they have souls. You can't just recreate them. I am sure we can get back to the point where they achieved sentience. Except not try to wipe them out when They start asking question about their own existence. I would prefer not to wipe them out of course, but synthetic life would be the easiest to recover I think
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fivegears4reverse posted:This whole thing basically started with "gently caress you, my wallet is opened to other people because you pissed me off." Really the biggest crime here is people saying poo poo like they are trying to strong arm people with this charity. Man people are just pissed and want to feel good when they are pissed so a charity is a fantastic way to do this. Good PR for everyone around until someone decides that video game fiction is more important then charity.
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Player 2 posted:They're receiving donations from a bunch of harmless, pissed of nerds who didn't like eating poo poo at the end of a video game not E.V.I.L corp ltd, you twat. They specifically said that they had already been contacted by people who were confusing the situation and believed that Child's Play was associated with or actually supported the effort to get the endings changed. It's not just "oh we don't agree with these people who don't want their lovely money." Maybe you should learn how to read.
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God I fucking love Diablo 3 gold, it even paid for this shitty title
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fivegears4reverse posted:This whole thing basically started with "gently caress you, my wallet is opened to other people because you pissed me off." Oh, yeah. I'm just saying that it's entirely possible that Child's Play could have raised more money than two charities will separately. As long as charity money gets raised I consider it a net positive, I just hope that the end result isn't a cooling down of donations after a switch.
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Killer robot posted:If you can have more kids, does that make killing the ones you have already a significantly lower moral cost? Destroy kinda sucks unless you're one of those Shepards who never bought that the Geth or EDI were really people anyway. Which at least is a choice you can build up to. Destroy vs. control was already the solution to the Geth base mission in ME2. Of course, in that one control ends up making it worse for you in the long run, I recall. It makes it harder to achieve peace but if you do manage to they're stronger for it.
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Lemming posted:You're an idiot. The people who run the charity are very passionate about it and wouldn't be doing it if they didn't want to help out children. They obviously know way more about this kind of situation than you or I do because it's their loving jobs that they do all day, so acting like they're doing it just because they care they care about what people think, and not that they know more about things like how it might affect the sort of things they do to grow in the future, how it might affect brand recognition, etc, is extremely arrogant and stupid. Now as pointed out, abortion isn't the ending to a game, and duh-ly so. But, still, it's entirely possible that people might value principle or somesuch thing other than the money in this instance, and it's not idiotic or arrogant to apply logic to a question which doesn't require a massive amount of expertise; Will we get less money as a result of this? To which the answer is hell, gently caress, and other cursing, no. Does it harm our brand recognition to be associated with a movement which the generally unimportant, minor concern of the ending to a game is being reacted to with massive, shocking, unprecedented generosity? gently caress no. Does it hurt that your charity has been name-checked and linked to by some notable websites? I believe it does not. Always forgetting, of course, that these positives and negatives, for you and I non-experts, are merely hypotheticals. It's not a hypothetical big pile of money. It's not a hypothetical "No, thanks."
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Speaking of my wallet being open to other people because I was pissed off, I just emailed Penny Arcade and Mass Effect about how childish this was and that I'll be donating to charities other than Child's Play from now on. I recommend more people do the same, but in a civil manner. I'd like to see them get even more hatemail from dropping support for the Mass Effect charity, but at the same time, try not to look like opinionated assholes.
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RMcC3D posted:One might argue that the "organization" (being Retake ME3) could justifiably continue to track the amount of money raised for charity thus far, even if the charity itself changes. That is, they can continue tracking it from the $80k mark even though the charity itself has changed. That would, one supposes, allow the snowball effect to continue. Yeah, I really have no idea to be honest. The only literature I know on the subject is with campaign contributions; I'm only assuming that charitable contributions behave the same way. My suspicion is that they do, and that it's still going to be harder to raise the first $x amount of money than it would all subsequent $x even if they "roll over" the counter. I'd need to do some more digging before I wrote anything definitive, though.
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Lemming posted:They specifically said that they had already been contacted by people who were confusing the situation and believed that Child's Play was associated with or actually supported the effort to get the endings changed. It's not just "oh we don't agree with these people who don't want their lovely money." Maybe you should learn how to read. So you run a charity and you are tasked with either spending half a minute on the phone a couple of times or not taking $20,000.
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RMcC3D posted:Yeah, that sounds about right. Have you discerned which version/release of the engine they're using? Curious how they did terrain, among other things. Is it the old Unreal terrain engine, Landscape, just a bunch of static meshes, or something else entirely? Edit: as for engine build, not sure what numbers you're looking for. Packages have a version of 684 / 194. Engine version is 0x15330000 (assuming I tagged that value correctly). gibbed fucked around with this message at Mar 23, 2012 around 01:56 |
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We can't just help these ill and injured children all willy-nilly, we have a brand to think about here.
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Lemming posted:They specifically said that they had already been contacted by people who were confusing the situation and believed that Child's Play was associated with or actually supported the effort to get the endings changed. It's not just "oh we don't agree with these people who don't want their lovely money." Maybe you should learn how to read. Because the logical thing for a charity to do in a situation so heated and controversial as one involving video game fiction is to close the donations. Why would people care what Child's Play thinks of video game endings? There is gently caress all controversial about this unless you are a company that gets paid by Bioware and the connection between Child's Play and Penny Arcade and Bioware is pretty cut and dry.
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ImpAtom posted:Oh, yeah. I'm just saying that it's entirely possible that Child's Play could have raised more money than two charities will separately. As long as charity money gets raised I consider it a net positive, I just hope that the end result isn't a cooling down of donations after a switch. Personally, I'd be upset if there WAS a cooling down, mostly because it'd look like RTM cares a lot more about their videogames over the fact that they are doing a Really Good Thing for people who could use the help.
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gibbed posted:Sorry, couldn't tell you. I have next to zero experience using official Unreal tools, and have not looked at level data.
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At this point, regardless of what Child's Play's actual motives are, the tinfoil is on. Anyone involved is aware of the connection between Child's Play and Penny Arcade, and can start drawing conclusions. True or not, this is going to become the truth. Their damage control just backfired at best, and they just screwed their credibility at worst. Child's Play can't win in this situation.
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I'm sure it's been said in some way in the previous 430+ pages, but this game has some serious writing / pacing issues. Not to mention boring, stale tropes (I'm looking at you, Kid in the Ventilation Duct). I could make a list of all the stupid poo poo, but I really doubt it's necessary, nor do I have the inclination. The most glaring to me was the constant comment from various characters along the lines of "I hate this war." It's just so damned lazy. It doesn't help that the characters' faces are about as emotive as a potato. Ultimately it comes down to the problem of "Show, don't tell."
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^^^ The kid, of course, being entirely the doing of the guy behind the ending. Yeah, there are lots ways it could have been improved, but not all that much that was actively bad or stupid, just pedestrian. I never thought originality was even a value they were going for, just fun two-fisted space adventure. Obviously it's better if things are original than not, but unoriginality doesn't automatically disqualify something from being good, as long as they don't try to act like they're totally blowing your mind. Which the ending does. This could have been fixed so easily with some disclaimers on all the donation/information pages about how no, we're not associated, it's just a little project some people have going on. ArdanSortek posted:I am sure we can get back to the point where they achieved sentience. Except not try to wipe them out when They start asking question about their own existence. That's basically what the Reapers do, wiping out mature civilizations/species and oh it's cool cuz there'll be other ones. They just shoehorned that "kill all synthetics" part in there to make the other choices even worth hearing. Frogisis fucked around with this message at Mar 23, 2012 around 02:04 |
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Isn't the charity morally obligated to tell these 'people who have got in touch' that a.) they are mistaken in their belief that because they accept donations they endorse the cause and b.) to gently caress off and get a life? instead of you know, saying 'welp, gently caress the kids, some people think we support this so better shut up shop!'.
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Warmachine posted:Child's Play can't win in this situation.
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Revenant Threshold posted:I disagree that doing it for a job necessarily makes you an expert (sadly), but even with that accepted, that as an out doesn't negate matters of personal choice or opinion, or the priorities placed thereupon. To steal the abortion analogy from earlier, there most certainly would be people who would, even at the risk or even certainty of less money, even if they thought they could get away with some kind of anonymous donation that had no effect on brand recognition, still refuse to take a donation from a group campaigning to support something they didn't. You know literally one piece of information about this situation. They know a lot more. You're assuming a ton of poo poo and generally being an idiot. You have no idea how their charity works and you're just spouting off crap that you have no way of backing up. Again, an excerpt from the statement: quote:I have been in contact with a manager at Child's Play. First, he wanted to stress how grateful they were for our efforts here, and the huge impact it will have in helping the charity. However, he pointed out that several sources are incorrectly assuming a link between the charity and the petition, or outright support of the petition by the charity. This has been a source of difficulty for them, and it has been requested that we wind this effort down. Again, I want to stress that the charity is not unhappy with our work, they are exceptionally pleased with what we have accomplished.
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Superstring posted:Wait, which one is more bitch-worthy? I can't tell from this post...
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Lemming posted:They specifically said that they had already been contacted by people who were confusing the situation and believed that Child's Play was associated with or actually supported the effort to get the endings changed. It's not just "oh we don't agree with these people who don't want their lovely money." Maybe you should learn how to read. So they told a bunch of people to gently caress off because they didn't want to be affiliated with gamers trying to positively change something? In the process they lost around 20k that could have gone to helping children, and likely just fostered a ton of negative will towards them, simply because they couldn't bear the thought that some people might assume they endorse the drive. I mean, lets just drop all technical knowledge here, and assume they couldn't just put up a letter saying its different, or ask the drivers to put up some big red disclaimers either, or you know, have people do their job and send out emails to those who are curious saying nope, its not the same thing. No, the best course of action is totally to just drop them.
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Milky Moor posted:Javik owns. I've heard at some point he makes mention about retiring to the Hanar homeworld and living as a king, and though I've yet to find any actual video evidence of this, it sounds like something he would say/do.
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Benjamin Black posted:Speaking of my wallet being open to other people because I was pissed off, I just emailed Penny Arcade and Mass Effect about how childish this was and that I'll be donating to charities other than Child's Play from now on. This is the kind of douchebaggery that created the problems for Child's Play in the first place. Why would you feel this necessary?
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Drighton posted:I imagine someone has mention this, since this thread is moving at 2 to 3 pages per hour, but here is a link anyway. This is from several pages back, but it bears repeating. This is getting way bigger than I ever realized.
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randombattle posted:Because the logical thing for a charity to do in a situation so heated and controversial as one involving video game fiction is to close the donations.  Yes, this is complete absurd hyperbole, but "being hesitant to have their name used without permission" isn't exactly some moral bankruptcy on the part of Penny Arcade here. Especially since charities - even large-scale ones, like the Red Cross - do this sort of thing all the time. It's important to stay as neutral and detached from politics as possible, even trivial game bullshit politics, and trademark management is as important for a charity as any other business. Granted, it's not the best handling, but it's something that could have been avoided in the first place through better wording and disclaimers, and it's not like people who actually just want to donate are prevented from doing so. They can just do it directly instead. (And should. Or to whatever charity they think is more worthy of it after this, anyway.)
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afflictionwisp posted:This is the kind of douchebaggery that created the problems for Child's Play in the first place. Why would you feel this necessary? Why do you feel like it's not okay? I can still help sick kids without encouraging that kind of behavior.
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Grey Fox V2 posted:I was suggesting it's stupid to bitch about a children's charity. I'd like to add anyone suggesting it's a conspiracy to sabotage the Change ME3's Ending movement is a loving moron. Those idiots need to stop and read what they are posting because this thread is taking a nose dive with that poo poo posting. It's not a conspiracy to shut them down it's just Penny Arcade taking the most flimsy excuse as a reason to make them look better to the company that pays them tons of money to make comics. The letter they posted makes no god drat sense. This issue has been a source of difficulty for them? loving why? It's a video game not some deep and meaningful controversial issue. The only way any of this makes sense is because PA is close to Bioware and they didn't want to look like they have bad things to say about them.
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fivegears4reverse posted:Personally, I'd be upset if there WAS a cooling down, mostly because it'd look like RTM cares a lot more about their videogames over the fact that they are doing a Really Good Thing for people who could use the help. Agreed. People tend to be weird about this stuff but I'd really hope anyone who was going to donate is still going to donate.
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afflictionwisp posted:This is the kind of douchebaggery that created the problems for Child's Play in the first place. Why would you feel this necessary? What exactly is douchey about telling them you don't support them, why you don't support them, and where exactly you'll be taking your support? That is literally the kind of user feedback that they are equipped to process. Douchey would be emailing them "FUK U PIGS!!!!" and signing them up for horse porn mailing lists.
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Grey Fox V2 posted:I was suggesting it's stupid to bitch about a children's charity. I'd like to add anyone suggesting it's a conspiracy to sabotage the Change ME3's Ending movement is a loving moron. Those idiots need to stop and read what they are posting because this thread is taking a nose dive with that poo poo posting. The bitching is more so that it's awful they're refusing donations because, assumebly, they were seen as being linked with the changing the ending movement. We want the charity to do well, we're unhappy it's recieving less money because of this and think it's silly that due to the argument about whether it's right to change the ending of a game a charity will recieve less money. Nobody should be talking poo poo about the charity aside from "this is a poor decision". And whilst it might be crazy you can understand why the links between Penny Arcade (worked for Bioware before, defended ending) and Childs Play cause a few people to think bad things might be going on.
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Restarting a game made me notice once again how strange the Mass Effect series is about dialog skipping. For whatever reason, nothing is skippable until you get in to talk to the generals, but then you can mash through the entire conversation until they play the video. Most everything else in the intro can't be skipped, except for the portion in the middle when you meet the drat kid! You can hammer on space bar and never even SEE the little bugger, which I think is hilarious given how important to the plot he is. I've just never understood why there are so many sections that you can't fast forward through, especially if you've beaten the game once already. It's a little better than the intro to ME2 because at least you get to shoot some things, but I still wish I had the option to skip to Mars or something.
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Benjamin Black posted:Speaking of my wallet being open to other people because I was pissed off, I just emailed Penny Arcade and Mass Effect about how childish this was and that I'll be donating to charities other than Child's Play from now on. Way to stick it to sick children in hospitals. You're so brave.
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Sanschel posted:I've heard at some point he makes mention about retiring to the Hanar homeworld and living as a king, and though I've yet to find any actual video evidence of this, it sounds like something he would say/do. He says it at the very end of the game when you get to talk to all your squad mates right before you meet the stupid starchild.
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