randombattle posted:

You aren't a troll you just have horrible taste in stories and don't understand thematic consistency.

Pladdicus posted:

Responding to points people have said thoughtfully without tacking an insult to every post has made you seem very non-trollish.

Zomodok posted:

Bioware is really good at writing the set pieces. (Mass Effect universe, Dragon age universe, Jade Empire, etc) and they are really good at writing characters along with the growth of the characters. (Mordin, Wrex, Legion, EDI, Conrad, Udina, Anderson, etc) and they are really good at the telling of the story.

It's the dialogue and apparently the ending that they just haven't figured out.

TheJoker138 posted:

Zomodok posted:

It's the dialogue and apparently the ending that they just haven't figured out.

Shadowhand00 posted:

My hope is that some dlc is released that will add missions which add up to a new revised special ending.

randombattle posted:

Man Gurren Lagann is absolutely 100% Mass Effect the anime. The whole point of the bad guy's story is "We are more advanced then you and if you advance too far you put the galaxy in danger so we will stomp you out before that happens." To which the heroes go "gently caress you we are strong enough to decide life for ourselves! As long as we work towards the future with each step we can protect the galaxy!"

It is absolutely the ending Mass Effect should have had. Shepard should have punched Harbinger in the face to end the battle.

Technogeek posted:

Personally, I'd be satisfied with Shepard getting into an argument with the Reaper hologram kid that ended with the Reapers choosing to self-destruct because of how badly they lost the debate. Aside from the obvious parallels to Saren/TIM, you could have the very last line of dialogue be "I guess I owe you an apology, Admiral. I really did end up talking the Reapers to death."

Amateur Saboteur posted:

You guys want a serious loving laugh check this out. It's a google doc complied by Biofan spergs that lists like 100 things that the writer for the novel (who is the exact same lead writer for the game) wrote that contradict Mass Effect's own lore some of it to a ridiculous degree. Keep in mind all these novels are canon.

Slim Killington posted:

Do me a favor and go back and find an insult in every post of mine. I'll wait.

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So you want an ending that holds your hand like a Hollywood movie being written down so a 10-year-old can understand, I get it now.

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That's satisfying? Sure, to a child maybe.

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^^^ Says the illiterate.

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I feel bad for you. Stick to shallower games.

Slim Killington posted:

If it's easier for people to call me a troll, then call me a troll. I just know there's a difference between "THIS ENDING IS BAD THEY CANT WRITE LOL" and "I don't like it." The ending is fine, whether you can appreciate it for what it is or not. It's not a great ending, I said that. But no ending was going to be.

My first statement was that what really mattered lied in appreciating the journey. I didn't say BioWare intended that, I said that it mattered and that it's what you should've been doing. If you failed to do so, then again, I feel bad for you.

Edit: I don't know where everyone is getting "deep" and "transhumanistic." I'm not implying that it's a philosophically deep ending; if anything it tries very hard to be in an extreme rush and falls on its face. What it is though, is a real END to the cycle of this "purge of chaos." No other ending anyone is coming up with actually addresses that, it just kind of ignores it. Because yeah that's great writing, let's write the trite ending we all want that's completely separated from the plot.

Lord Lambeth posted:

Different guy actually. I think the hired some random guy outside of bioware to do the novel.

The ending of ME3 is basically ROCK FALLS, EVERYONE DIES which frustrates the hell out of me. Every other part of the game is goddamn fantastic though and I'm gonna unlock at least one alien before setting down the multiplayer.

Nelson Mandingo posted:

Dial the hell back on the "*smirk* HEH, YOU ILLITERATE CHILD" comments, it makes you look like an immature douchebag who can't handle other opinions.

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You're right, how disrespectful of me to respond with an insult to being called a tool on the internet, what was I thinking?

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There have been about four youtube edits of new endings posted so far, all perfect and all exactly the same- Shepherd kills TIM, crucible docks and kills reapers. Pan out to show how various characters we've met are doing. Boom. Easy.

Slim Killington posted:

So every post after shittier things were said in response to my completely respectful points? You're right, how disrespectful of me to respond with an insult to being called a tool on the internet, what was I thinking?

randombattle posted:

I think I could accept an ending like that if it was presented in a way that made sense.

For gently caress sakes Shepard is literally told minutes before that he has to do things TIM's way because there is no other way that will work and Shepard just goes gently caress YOU I'M DOING THIS MY WAY!

Yet at the end Shepard has a complete turn around and bends over for some AI out of nowhere.

TheJoker138 posted:

There is not enough fuel on earth to get everyone back to their homeworlds. There are not enough refueling stations close enough to get them back in spurts. None of it matters because when a Mass Relay is destroyed, it takes out the entire star system it's in, so earth exploded right after it cut away from everyone celebrating anyway, and all the other planets that were anywhere near a mass relay are also all gone.

Mayor Dave posted:

I just realized that Sovereign wasn't full of poo poo on Virmire when he said that we were incapable of comprehending their purpose, because I really can't comprehend the purpose of that ending

Lord Lambeth posted:

Never question the god child AI thing or you get the belt.

Tov01 posted:

The fuel is Helium-3, which is common in just about every gas giant in the galaxy. The ships may need to be retrofitted to collect it themselves, but, well, there is a lot of scrap metal floating above Earth. And the Quarians probably already have all of their ships retrofitted like this, anyway.

I don't think the relays explode like in Arrival. It seems that the energy from the Crucible overloads the relays rather than the relays exploding and destroying all life in the galaxy.

Tov01 posted:

The fuel is Helium-3, which is common in just about every gas giant in the galaxy. The ships may need to be retrofitted to collect it themselves, but, well, there is a lot of scrap metal floating above Earth. And the Quarians probably already have all of their ships retrofitted like this, anyway.

Amateur Saboteur posted:

I see alot of people tossing around "ME4". There's going to be more Mass Effect universe for sure, but they've said the title "Mass Effect" is Shepard's story and ends with 3 so if they do anything else with the IP it will be a prequel or very distant future likely.

Plus the 'mass effect' is effectively dead with all the relays gone so it makes sense.

Slim Killington posted:

I made that comment one time, to one person, for making childish comments and calling me a tool for making completely objective points that he just "didn't agree with." Untwist your panties.

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So you want an ending that holds your hand like a Hollywood movie being written down so a 10-year-old can understand, I get it now.

TheJoker138 posted:

But you haven't made any points, or refuted anyone elses. You're just saying the same "no guys, it's DEEP, go back to your SHALLOW HORSE poo poo" over and over again, with different levels of condescension laid over it.

Slim Killington posted:

^^^ Yeah again, I didn't take that attitude with anyone. You're inferring a level of attitude that isn't there.

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So you want an ending that holds your hand like a Hollywood movie being written down so a 10-year-old can understand, I get it now.

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That's satisfying? Sure, to a child maybe.

randombattle posted:

My way!

Don't care if it is unrealistic and not logical and isn't grimdark! I will play some Warhammer if I want grimdark sadness.

Slim Killington posted:

This is literally the opposite of what I was doing when I came in here.

Tov01 posted:

The fuel is Helium-3, which is common in just about every gas giant in the galaxy. The ships may need to be retrofitted to collect it themselves, but, well, there is a lot of scrap metal floating above Earth. And the Quarians probably already have all of their ships retrofitted like this, anyway.

I don't think the relays explode like in Arrival. It seems that the energy from the Crucible overloads the relays rather than the relays exploding and destroying all life in the galaxy.

TheJoker138 posted:

But...But they said nothing in my ending about the relays being dead. Why are the relays dead no matter what you picked?

Slim Killington posted:

How is that "pissy?" Christ I'd call you obtuse but then we'd all have to talk about how I personally attacked you for three loving pages.

Slim Killington posted:

How is that "pissy?" Christ I'd call you obtuse but then we'd all have to talk about how I personally attacked you for three loving pages.

TheJoker138 posted:

But you quickly, quickly descended into it without making any actual points. The only point you even attempted to make is the old "it's the journey, not the destination" one, which was quickly rebutted by the fact that if the ending makes the journey not matter at all, then yes, the ending does matter. If Lord of the Rings had ended with them getting to the mountain, about to throw the ring in, but then God came down and was like "yo, I know you wanted to throw that ring in there, but I'm just going to destroy the entire planet, including Sauron and his forces, and all of you, ok c'ya" that would not be a good ending. That would be a bad ending that is completely divorced of anything that had come before it in the series, thematically, plot wise, or in any other way. That is almost exactly what they did with this.