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I shot Mordin. I loving shot Mordin! That's why I'm ok with Shepard having a lovely ending. She was a lovely person. Also Wrex. I thought I was doing everything right
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I still stand by my belief that the Reapers should NEVER have actually entered the galaxy, instead needing to be destroyed while still in hibernation out in Dark Space.
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Elevators are Reaper technology, designed to guide organics away from overuse of stairs, escalators, and crude systems involving pulleys and glue.
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Banjodark posted:My male shepard had ridiculous gay sex with kaidan, your comms officer is a lesbian, half of the citadel are women loving asari and your shuttle pilot has a dead husband. They should put this on the back of the box.
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Chinaman7000 posted:I shot Mordin. I loving shot Mordin! That's why I'm ok with Shepard having a lovely ending. She was a lovely person. Also Wrex. If you had killed Wrex earlier, then you wouldn't have had to.
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Shimrra Jamaane posted:I just realized another stupid thing Bioware did about the Reapers. Why did the Reapers spend thousands of years on backup plans like the Rachni and Saren if all they had to do was spend a few months flying into the galaxy? Maybe they had their own Shepard version of a Reaper and found some magic device left by other synthetics that lived in Darkspace before them, but were wiped every 50 million years by some incredibly advanced organic race known as the Q continuum. The reapers thus realized their cycle was over and the Qs were coming for them, but the magic device powered by a godchild organic who created the Q jumped them closer to the galaxy with a red, blue, or green flash. And they just overlooked the huge plot hole--that the Q could get them anywhere.
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thepopstalinist posted:What I want to know is why the Collectors had apparently always been behind the Omega 4 Relay but only started culling human colonies after ME1. Because Shepard pretty much singlehandedly kicked a Reaper's rear end, I assumed that the Reapers wanted to collect human DNA so they could take advantage of whatever strengths it was that allowed them to succeed. Hence them building the human Reaper at the end of ME2.
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Atltais posted:stuff  thepopstalinist posted:What I want to know is why the Collectors had apparently always been behind the Omega 4 Relay but only started culling human colonies after ME1. It's not particularly explained as to why they were hiding in the Omega 4 Relay but, they started targeting human colonies after Shepard thwarted Sovereign in ME1. Shepard defeats the collectors and has earned the attention of the Reapers which is why they hit Earth hard. If Shepard was Turian they'd have targeted Turian colonies and hit Palaven the hardest instead of Earth.
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Wait - you can have gay sex with Kaiden? Why did I make a femshep these last 5 years? Stop blowing away my feeble mind. Another contrarian point I'm making - Kaiden is cool. I even liked Carth. Edit/Disclosure: I'm gay THS fucked around with this message at Mar 27, 2012 around 01:58 |
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This is a minor thing, but it just occurred to me. If they don't understand how the Crucible works or even what it does, then how does Hackett know it's not working or that it is in fact supposed to fire? 
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thepopstalinist posted:What I want to know is why the Collectors had apparently always been behind the Omega 4 Relay but only started culling human colonies after ME1. It is. Humans weren't really on the Reapers' radar until Shep killed Sovereign. At that point, they decided we were somewhat Important and started making us into Reaper Slurpees.
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Ambiguatron posted:There is a gigantic, immensely comfy couch in dark space. The true motivation of the Reapers is the threat that organics will one day discover it and conspire to claim its softness for their own. "There is a realm of comfort so far beyond your own you cannot even imagine it."
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Frogisis posted:"There is a realm of comfort so far beyond your own you cannot even imagine it." "THIS RELAXES YOU"
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Frogisis posted:"There is a realm of comfort so far beyond your own you cannot even imagine it." Memory foam is Reaper tech.
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I thought the ultimate reaper tech was their revolutionary new flesh light?
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THS posted:Wait - you can have gay sex with Kaiden? Why did I make a femshep these last 5 years? Plus he gets Reave and a kicking rad pompadour.
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Shimrra Jamaane posted:I still stand by my belief that the Reapers should NEVER have actually entered the galaxy, instead needing to be destroyed while still in hibernation out in Dark Space. It would just be such a loving tease if that were the case, though. Mass Effect 1: "There's these giant living machines that are going to kill everyone!" "Pff, whatever, Shepard. Go kill some geth". Mass Effect 2: "Those giant living machines are seriously on their way right now! And they might be turning us into one of them, or something? poo poo's really serious!" "Pff, whatever, Shepard. And gently caress you for working with Cerberus". Mass Effect 3: "I just killed all the giant living machines that were going to kill everyone! Conveniently just before they were going to show up and prove I wasn't lying about this whole thing! LOVE ME!" "Pff, whatever, Shepard. Court martialed. Dishonorably discharged. gently caress you forever".
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Iseeyouseemeseeyou posted:I thought the ultimate reaper tech was their revolutionary new flesh light? The actual purpose of the so-called "Human Reaper" revealed. This hurts you, Shepard. Plom Bar posted:It would just be such a loving tease if that were the case, though. Either a mad dash into dark space to destroy them before the arrive or a climactic battle to stop them at the edge of the galaxy would have been preferable. The way the main plot is structured weakens and trivializes them as antagonists. An all out war doesn't fit the Mass Effect style of gameplay and both the game and the plot were compromised by mashing them together.
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Torsade de Pointes posted:This is a minor thing, but it just occurred to me. If they don't understand how the Crucible works or even what it does, then how does Hackett know it's not working or that it is in fact supposed to fire? The Crucible - It doesn't do anything, that's the beauty of it.
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Milky Moor posted:Well, the Quarians don't have Dreadnaughts, for one. They converted their Liveships into quasi-Dreadnaughts with huge mass accelerator cannons which is what violates the Treaty. Thanix Cannons are the blue beam weapons that we see get fired during the Battle for Earth (or by the Normandy in ME2 against the Collector Cruiser). Here's the part in the game (with some guy's commentary, but the important bit is where they talk about the civilian fleets): http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=gCt1dCabPjs and here is the War Asset text: "The Civilian Fleet makes up most of the quarian flotilla. Properly coordinated, the fleet compensates for its lack of dedicated warships with its sheer numbers. Even its smallest crafts are equipped with ship-to-ship weaponry. The civilian liveships, enormous floating gardens that produce food for the quarians, have also been fitted with massive Thanix cannons to provide heavy firepower." Emphasis mine. \/\/ THIS HURTS YOU \/\/ Agreed fucked around with this message at Mar 27, 2012 around 02:11 |
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Shimrra Jamaane posted:I still stand by my belief that the Reapers should NEVER have actually entered the galaxy, instead needing to be destroyed while still in hibernation out in Dark Space. While that may not be worse than what we actually got as an ending, it would still be pretty terrible. Killing the primary antagonists while they're basically sleeping, far away from anything of consequence, isn't that gripping.
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Strange Matter posted:Mass Effect 3 makes Kaidan cool, especially when you can have a conversation with him where he basically apologizes for being the most boring character in the previous games. It's not his fault; he's Canadian. Man, hearing about Kaidan in this game makes me a little annoyed that the ME1 save file I downloaded when I was replaying ME2 had Ashley saved. She was really really boring in 3. They basically just rehashed her primary character traits from the previous games in a completely mechanical manner. Space Racism, check. Family values, check. Hates Cerberus, check. The only interesting scene with her was when she had a hangover and was lying on the floor with a massive headache. nap.app posted:The Crucible - It doesn't do anything, that's the beauty of it. That definitely would have been one way to take the ending. The Crucible is just a symbol to gather everyone around. Better yet, it not only looks like a giant microphone, it is a giant (space) microphone, and Shepard gives one more rousing speech to the fleet, motivating them against the Reapers. Sacrificial Toast fucked around with this message at Mar 27, 2012 around 02:07 |
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Oxxidation posted:"THIS RELAXES YOU" PROGRAMMING REMOTE CONTROL
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Torsade de Pointes posted:This is a minor thing, but it just occurred to me. If they don't understand how the Crucible works or even what it does, then how does Hackett know it's not working or that it is in fact supposed to fire? AND how does he know the problem is on Shepard's end?
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Ambiguatron posted:The actual purpose of the so-called "Human Reaper" revealed. As long as they're awake and posing a significant threat, I can agree. But killing them all in their sleep would have been pretty loving stupid imo. It'd be like if the plot to destroy the second Death Star had gone off without a hitch.
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WE ARE THE HARBINGER OF YOUR AFTERNOON NAP
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The only thing I really 100% feel should be taken out of the ending is the mass relays blowing up. The rest I be like "eh, it was a medicore ending", but the relays blowing up is just an unnesscary middle finger to the audience. Plus, if the realys stay, your crew isn't stranded on a jungle world, all they have to do is signal for someone to pick them up, and they can come home and be heroes. 
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Strange Matter posted:Mass Effect 3 makes Kaidan cool, especially when you can have a conversation with him where he basically apologizes for being the most boring character in the previous games. It's not his fault; he's Canadian. He may apologize for being boring but, he sure doesn't try to fix it. If anything it may have to do with the Cerberus distrust. It doesn't allow for much character growth since both Ashley and Kaidan have to go through that phase. At the very least, he stopped sweating so much. THS posted:Wait - you can have gay sex with Kaiden? Why did I make a femshep these last 5 years? He's only bi in ME3. Fake Edit: Everyone is complaining that the VS they saved is boring and wished they saved the other person. I'm going to make a bold assertion and say they are both boring and terrible.
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When I first heard about The Crucible I started to theorize how it would destroy the Reapers (this is pre-ending). The best I could come up with that it used the Reaper's own indoctrination signal against them and basically destroyed them from the inside. Since, the most constant thing in all the cycles are the Reapers, their indoctrination and, theoretically, an organization that wants to harness indoctrination. Happened with Cerberus and Javik said it happened in his cycle too. So I thought that the last bastion of that civilization would try to figure out the indoctrination thing/get their hands on that rogue organization's research and incorporate it into their cycle's Crucible piece. I figured it would have been fun poetic justice to have the Reaper's deadliest weapon be used against them in the worst way. Of course, those theories were replaced with new ending ideas once I beat the game. Had to think of something to keep me from crying myself to sleep at night.
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OldMemes posted:The only thing I really 100% feel should be taken out of the ending is the mass relays blowing up. The rest I be like "eh, it was a medicore ending", but the relays blowing up is just an unnesscary middle finger to the audience. There's an implication that the Rachni had developed a method of interstellar travel and communication that didn't involve the relays. This is my justification for preserving the Rachni at all costs even though Grunt's troops would have probably given more readiness points.
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Plom Bar posted:As long as they're awake and posing a significant threat, I can agree. But killing them all in their sleep would have been pretty loving stupid imo. It'd be like if the plot to destroy the second Death Star had gone off without a hitch. You can solve that problem by having Harbinger represent the threat. They had the right idea with Sovereign in the original, with a big satisfying battle that also implies the deeper threat, i.e. if more than one of these things gets here we're hosed. I'm disappointed that they dropped the "no on believes Shepard" aspect of the games basically off-screen between games without any payoff, not even a callback to the fingerquotes. They had a really fantastic and pulpy idea with Shepard on trial for the events of Arrival and had a significant part of the game been dedicated to breaking her out and stealing the Normandy, it would have been a superior story to "Here, escape while the Reapers conveniently ignore you, Shepard! Here is your ship back for free, so that being dead and joining a terrorist group that is now apparently a major galactic superpower on their own has no consequences for you or anyone you know". Jimbot posted:When I first heard about The Crucible I started to theorize how it would destroy the Reapers (this is pre-ending). The best I could come up with that it used the Reaper's own indoctrination signal against them and basically destroyed them from the inside. Since, the most constant thing in all the cycles are the Reapers, their indoctrination and, theoretically, an organization that wants to harness indoctrination. Happened with Cerberus and Javik said it happened in his cycle too. I assumed they'd crib to the ending to The Best of Both Worlds and transmit some kind of seemingly innocent shut-down code, maybe whatever it is that makes them all go to sleep in dark space. Your EMS would then determine if you have enough resources to deliver a crippling blow before they wake up again. Given that they were spread out through the entire galaxy, all of the endings smack too much of "All of the Reapers are magically gone now" for my tastes.
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Just watched the tali suicide on YouTube. Question, legion wants to upload the reaper code to make each Geth "alive" correct? Aren't they already alive? Isn't that the whole point? Also why does a life form that exists as a networked consciousness suddenly want individuality? Isn't that sort of like me deciding that my foot wants to be its own individual conscious being? Even if we can explain all this, it's pretty clear that actual geth "units" are far fewer than the billions of programs that make geth consciousness. What happens to programs not in a body when legion updates the code? Doesn't legions actions during me3 suggest that the programs are already partially autonomous?
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Kaidan improves a lot in ME3 but he doesn't improve enough.
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Ambiguatron posted:They had a really fantastic and pulpy idea with Shepard on trial for the events of Arrival and had a significant part of the game been dedicated to breaking her out and stealing the Normandy, it would have been a superior story to "Here, escape while the Reapers conveniently ignore you, Shepard! Here is your ship back for free, so that being dead and joining a terrorist group that is now apparently a major galactic superpower on their own has no consequences for you or anyone you know". Thank heavens we had Mac Walters there to write Vancouver instead. ZombieLenin posted:Yeah. Plus, the whole geth arc in ME2 was 'we want to build our own future, not use the Old Machine shortcut.' In ME3, that... is completely forgotten about. sizuka2 fucked around with this message at Mar 27, 2012 around 02:15 |
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Nah, the Crucible should have been like that bit at the end of Escape From New York: Hackett: Shepard? Commander! Nothing's happening, it must be something at your end. [With her last, dying breath, Shepard drags herself to her feet and starts pressing buttons on the control panel. Finally, the Crucible bursts into life, a R/G/B glow radiating from it, getting stronger and stronger until...] http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-kgINa2MToA [Cut to close up of a very puzzled Hackett on the bridge of the Alliance flagship. Harbinger and co cease fire because they just don't know what the gently caress anymore.] THE END
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RickDaedalus posted:He's only bi in ME3. His Specter armor was pretty cool too.
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The Relays being destroyed is inarguably the best, most fitting concept in the ending, it's the execution that is awful.
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THS posted:Wait - you can have gay sex with Kaiden? Why did I make a femshep these last 5 years? Kaidan is mad dope in the third game. Unlocking reave and barrier is pretty great if you want to experiment with strange adept/sentinel/vanguard builds in single player insanity mode, you get access to a 'tank'-style character who can be specced for lots of damage reduction and who also has overload/cyro for CC which actually makes him useful on pretty much every mission. you also get this hilarious sex scene: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ZAoWkEuQzTw The Kaidan/male shepard romance is actually pretty decently written as well, it's different in tone to the female shepard one (there's no star-crossed "I love you" hand holding vibe) instead it's a bit of a tragic 'we should have done this sooner/we're out of time and the world is ending' stuff that culminates with one of the more sad 'goodbye' scenes in the game. Also the whole 'shepard fucks his subordinates' creep factor is non-existent, as by the time you get to romance kaidan as a man, he out-ranks you and it feels like the evolution of a friendship into something more and it's actually initiated by him and not Shepard. It's strangely, one of the least terrible romances in the game. Kelly Chambers gets the award for 'the worst', as you gently caress her in a packing crate in the refugee pens. RickDaedalus posted:He may apologize for being boring but, he sure doesn't try to fix it. If anything it may have to do with the Cerberus distrust. It doesn't allow for much character growth since both Ashley and Kaidan have to go through that phase. At the very least, he stopped sweating so much. The cerberus/distrust arc pretty much ends when he joins the normandy, and wraps up with two conversations, one after rescuing jacob and the scientists and a second on the Cerberus base where he witnesses the videologs of your reconstruction. It's handled well in comparison to ashley who gets drunk with vega and mopes about her sister.
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OldMemes posted:The only thing I really 100% feel should be taken out of the ending is the mass relays blowing up. The rest I be like "eh, it was a medicore ending", but the relays blowing up is just an unnesscary middle finger to the audience. Yeah, there was no reason this needed to happen other than maybe a symbolic/writer fiat "Now there's no Reaper stuff anywhere!" but as far as I know the Citadel and relays never indoctrinated anybody or turned them into goo, and even the Rachni, the closest we get to a different path for technology, use the relays, so what was so wrong about them that they had to go, exactly?
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ZombieLenin posted:Just watched the tali suicide on YouTube. Question, legion wants to upload the reaper code to make each Geth "alive" correct? I think the point was that the Geth aren't a hive mind, since they have differences of opinon. The more programs in one area, the more processing power those Geth have, and the code would make each indidivual program it's own being, without needing loads of Geth programs interfaced in order to do anything.
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