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Geostomp posted:We're aware of that. We're upset that we can't call the little glow-brat out on his crap and have to continue doing whatever he, the controller of the Reapers and greatest murderer in all history, says for no real reason. Also, who uses human corpses as material for gun arms and transforms people into cyber-zombies. Clearly this star child loves us and only wants the best for us and isn't evil at all, just misunderstood.
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I keep reading about renegade interrupts in ME3, like in ME2. I don't remember any paragon/renegade interrupts. Is this a console-only thing?
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Dominoes posted:I keep reading about renegade interrupts in ME3, like in ME2. I don't remember any paragon/renegade interrupts. Is this a console-only thing? Nope. Did you talk to the reporter from ME2 in the Citadel embassy at all? You get a renegade interrupt shortly after the conversation starts, and if you let that lapse you get a paragon one right after it.
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LazyQ posted:What we learn about quarians and geth is irrelevant. What matters is that Reapers believe in synthetics always destroying organics and they are calling the shots in the end. No, it isn't irrelevant at all. It only seems that way because we can't even acknowledge this when we confront the hastily introduced, never explored Star Child who tells us that synthetics always destroy organic life when there is overwhelming evidence to the contrary. We are forced to take everything he says, at a critical moment in the game, at face value in spite of our experiences and knowledge to the contrary.
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Would posting things from The Art of the Mass Effect Universe be okay, in regards to the Illusive Man and Kai Leng?
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NINbuntu 64 posted:Tricky moral choice? You're given a series of selections to make by a villain who comes up in the last ten minutes of the game and says "everything you have done up to this point doesn't matter. Synthetic life will always destroy biological life." Except there's a few fatal flaws there. To add to the above, in addition to Mass Effect 1, 2 and 3 telling us that synthetics really aren't so bad after all (until the end) - a minor theme of Mass Effect 1, and a major theme of Mass Effect 2 is effectively "robots are people too." We learn that the Geth have religion in 1, and this is reinforced in 2. Legion heavily trades in religious themes, right down to his name. The schism between the geth is described in religious terms, right down to the name of the dissenters - heretics. EDI for her part makes jokes. A lot of jokes. In Mass Effect 2, in the few dialogues you get with her, jokes are a frequently employed means of characterization. In most sci fi, the story is that robots aren't like us. Commander Data does not understand human humor, though he tries. And a religious robot in most science fiction universes would be nonsensical. But Mass Effect took a different direction, and said basically "these robots are like us." Then, suddenly in the end, we're told that no synthetic life actually is fundamentally different from organic life, presumably lesser than, and must be protected against.
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If we could at least bring up the fact that we allied the Geth with the Quarians, and Starchild said something about how that happens all the time but they grow out of it, then fine, whatever. But the very fact that Shepard doesn't even bring it up is what is wrong with the ending. It's not that you don't really have a choice, it's that it doesn't even acknowledge that you had choices. It's really too bad that the main feedback most people are hearing is "it doesn't have a happy ending gently caress you bioware", because it masks the legitimate complaints. It seems like everyone defending the ending has only heard things like the problem is there isn't a sense of accomplishment. The ending we have has a fine sense of accomplishment, it's just like I accomplished stepping over a puddle and onto a dog poop accidentally.
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Edge Zero posted:The ending we have has a fine sense of accomplishment, it's just like I accomplished stepping over a puddle and onto a dog poop accidentally. This is actually a better ending than what we got because at least then there's a clear sense of irony.
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Best Friends posted:And a religious robot in most science fiction universes would be nonsensical.
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Strange Matter posted:The thing is that Wrex probably has another 800 years left in him, provided he isn't assassinated (nobody could assassinate Wrex). That's a long time for him to serve as a mediating force for the krogan, guiding them towards a more stable relationship with the galaxy. Wrex is pretty drat old already, I'm fairly sure. He talks about reacting to stuff that happened politically on Tuchanka after the Krogan Rebellions, at which point he was clan leader already. Now, that would still have to be centuries after the end of the rebellions, because even krogan don't live that long, but it puts a lot of notches on his tree either way. Then after that, he worked as a mercenary for three hundred years. He could be anywhere between five hundred and eight hundred or so years old in ME1, but I'd guess his age on the high end of the scale. Eve on the other hand seems relatively young. Hard to say, though. Krogan live a long-rear end time.
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Edge Zero posted:If we could at least bring up the fact that we allied the Geth with the Quarians, and Starchild said something about how that happens all the time but they grow out of it, then fine, whatever. But the very fact that Shepard doesn't even bring it up is what is wrong with the ending. It's not that you don't really have a choice, it's that it doesn't even acknowledge that you had choices. Even if he does, why would we take his word for it? The catalyst says that all synthetic life will be destroyed, when it clearly isn't. He's clearly full of poo poo as EDI can still be alive in the Destroy ending, as is Shepard. Who he implies will die because he is partly synthetic. Nothing makes any sense.
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Final Hours app posted:For weeks Hudson and Walters described the emotions they wanted players to feel at the end of the game and wrote dialogue and scenes to support those feelings. One night Walters scribbled down [...] the line "Lots of Speculation for Everyone!" I know we've all seen Walter's cocktail napkin/loose-leaf notes, but I really would have liked to know exactly what emotions and catharsis they were expecting players to experience. What sorts of speculation did Walters have in mind? What sorts of questions did he want players to ask? Best Friends posted:And a religious robot in most science fiction universes would be nonsensical. The idea that Javik and Legion talk about (where synthetics know where they came from and are looking to autonomously justify their purpose for being and/or find their place in relation to organics) is pretty interesting. Javik also gives the only exposition in ME3 that tries to justify the starkid's views- of course, he's not base content and a lot of the points he brings up should have been discussed by someone else. EDIT 2: Dapper Dan posted:Who he implies will die because he is partly synthetic This makes even less sense in the context of what we learn. Destroy supposedly kills all AIs, and doesn't destroy all technology. But Shepard's brain is clearly completely organic (it's stated over and over again) and his synthetic parts are limited to non-sapient cyborg implants. So why would Shepard's implants even be something to worry about? fenghuang fucked around with this message at Mar 31, 2012 around 23:30 |
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Dominoes posted:You've clearly never watched Battlestar Galactica. Guilty. Oof.
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fenghuang posted:This makes even less sense in the context of what we learn. Destroy supposedly kills all AIs, and doesn't destroy all technology. But Shepard's brain is clearly completely organic (it's stated over and over again) and his synthetic parts are limited to non-sapient cyborg implants. So why would Shepard's implants even be something to worry about? I dunno why you're quoting me (I didn't say the thing you quoted!) but isn't it kind of obvious? Shepard is at least half-machine and nearly dead. If her limbs or the little motor pumping her heart or whatever just shut down on her, she's going to be all dead, most likely. She's literally at her last gasp even with her cyborg parts, so if you shut them down she doesn't really appear to stand a chance of survival.
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Android Blues posted:I dunno why you're quoting me (I didn't say the thing you quoted!) but isn't it kind of obvious? Shepard is at least half-machine and nearly dead. If her limbs or the little motor pumping her heart or whatever just shut down on her, she's going to be all dead, most likely. She's literally at her last gasp even with her cyborg parts, so if you shut them down she doesn't really appear to stand a chance of survival. Sorry, I screwed up  .But if 'destroy' is going to shut down Shepard's cyborg parts doesn't that imply it'll shut down most or all other technology, not just AIs?
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fenghuang posted:Sorry, I screwed up I think if your EMS is too low, Starchild will also mention that all technology will be destroyed, but you always get the line implying Shepard will die.
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UnknownMercenary posted:I think if your EMS is too low, Starchild will also mention that all technology will be destroyed, but you always get the line implying Shepard will die. Oh, that's interesting. Maybe someone or myself with too much free time can go through and figure out how Starchild's speech differs for different EMS thresholds.
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Wrex will live forever or die trying.
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At 7k EMS (96% readiness) the Star Child, for Destroy, says Geth will die and that Shepard might die as well. There was no mention of EDI or general technology or anything else. At the moment going through another playthrough and gonna let the Geth die to see what the boy wonder has to say about that.
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So the ME3 artbook it talks about possibly having The Illusive Man as being the final boss and he was to look like this- Do you think that this would have been better than the confrontation we got, or was having him remain a purely mental villain a good design decision? Bonus- 
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there were some dumb decisions regarding TIM, but refraining from turning him into a generic Video Game Boss wasn't one of them.
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The Illusive Man turning into a giant stupid boss would have been dumb. Him being a mental confrontation would have been better if A) It didn't kinda recycle Saren and B) The ending. Admittedly, I think it was dumb that The Illusive Man was indoctrinated all along.
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I think that the mental confrontation with the Illusive Man should have happened at his base instead of dragging him into the final battle with the Reapers. It just takes too much attention off of them and puts it onto him, thought I do kind of like him acting as Saren 2.0 even if it wasn't developed well enough to make him seem like more than a distraction from the Reapers.
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in the gold game I'm playing the host has a 2700 N7 score and everything is dying to my level 3 warp instantly. nobody will answer me. is he hacking? just blew up an atlas with one warp this is stupid
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Krinkle posted:in the gold game I'm playing the host has a 2700 N7 score and everything is dying to my level 3 warp instantly. nobody will answer me. is he hacking? yes
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Krinkle posted:in the gold game I'm playing the host has a 2700 N7 score and everything is dying to my level 3 warp instantly. nobody will answer me. is he hacking? no, he is kai leng IRL
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Best Friends posted:But Mass Effect took a different direction, and said basically "these robots are like us." Not sure how you played ME2 and came to the conclusion that the Geth are like us. They are not. They weren't supposed to be, and they're okay with that becuase they don't want to be. The geth are all completely dependent on each other and share everything. They don't focus on the individual becuase they need each other just to be functional, which resulted in them developing a society based heavily around this. Individuality is a concept almost completely foreign to the geth. Despite this, the geth are not hostile. They do not mind organics, and are willing to co-exist with them. Despite the horrible things the quarians did to them, they still feel a bond to them. The geth are completely different from us, but that doesn't mean they have to hate us. ME3 did gently caress this up quite a bit though since the writer didn't seem to understand what really made the Geth interesting in ME2. EDIT: I mean, one of the points of the Mass Effect series is to show that all these different species and people can work towards a better future together despite the drastic differences between them. A counterpoint to the Reapers who melt down species and basically make them all the same. Internet Kraken fucked around with this message at Apr 1, 2012 around 00:14 |
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^^ Yeah, I'm replaying ME2 right now and ME3 basically contradicts everything Legion tells you about the Geth.
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So is there a certain point where side quests just stop an you're only doing priority missions? I just did horizon and the mission with Cerberus controlling the reapers...just saved Miranda's sister.
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nwin posted:So is there a certain point where side quests just stop an you're only doing priority missions? I just did horizon and the mission with Cerberus controlling the reapers...just saved Miranda's sister. You're right there (the next mission is the point of no return)
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 That sucks.
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Haledjian posted:
So if you modify a save file in single player and get caught, this means that you will be unable to play any games on Origin at all?
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NINbuntu 64 posted:So if you modify a save file in single player and get caught, this means that you will be unable to play any games on Origin at all? This is just them being consistent with their "get banned somewhere, get banned everywhere" philosophy.
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computer parts posted:This is just them being consistent with their "get banned somewhere, get banned everywhere" philosophy. The Destroy ending really is canon.
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Given how the endings work, and they ban for modifying assets in SP. I'm starting to worry their plan / goal is to release a bunch of pre-end DLC to build up your assets stupidly high. And then the final DLC will be a new ending based on the collective efforts of previous DLC and/or importing a bunch of MP characters. "You want Shepard to live and have those blue babies? See the fallout of a galaxy in shambles? Then get 12k war score! Which you can now get via Retake Omega, Kal'Reegar's Roughnecks, Elcor Plains, and Ilos Deux dlc. Or you can promote 160 MP characters. All to see the new exciting endings we're giving to you free in this final DLC for ME3." edit- I think worry is the wrong word. I'd be fine with that, except I'll probly have moved on by the time they get it all out and done. I got into ME2 really late and bought all the dlc in one swoop. Waiting a year or two for everything to come out while I'm busy with D3/WoW would be painful. Cleatcleat fucked around with this message at Apr 1, 2012 around 00:41 |
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Best Friends posted:And a religious robot in most science fiction universes would be nonsensical. If there's no Silicon Heaven, then where do the calculators go? Huh?
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Haledjian posted:
(mind you, I'm not stupid enough to play multiplayer with a modded Coalesced, I always revert to the stock if I play multiplayer)
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http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4-JrFmJY2xI Please leave 
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Best Friends posted:EDI for her part makes jokes. A lot of jokes. In Mass Effect 2, in the few dialogues you get with her, jokes are a frequently employed means of characterization. She even recognizes bad humor. For instance, attempting to gather resources from Uranus.
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So I am about halfway through this, if anyone watches Invisible Walls on Gametrailers, it is most of the guys minus Shane and the British guy spending 50 minutes talking about and critiquing ME3. And it is really good. Basically what a review should be. http://www.gametrailers.com/video/e...e-depths/728682
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