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Servetus posted:I just finished another replay of ME1, and I'm really feeling the dissonance in how the Reapers are dealt with. I think there's a big shift between pre and post Arrival in how the Reaper invasion was conceptualized. Before Arrival I had the sense that the Reapers needed to use the same FTL method as everyone else and the relays to travel longer distances, that they would build up a charge in FTL if they used it too long, but could probably take a lot more of that same as they are more durable and more advanced than anyone else when it comes to their other capabilities. When you look at how the threat is handled throughout the series I think you can see a moment where the need to kick things in motion for the third part of the trilogy overrode precedent: A few pages back, but this post highlighted my biggest problem with the Arrival DLC - why wasn't the Alpha Relay in dark space where the reapers were chilling? You'd think that access to every relay in the galaxy would be something cool to have without having to take the slow pony home from the void.
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Superstring posted:Speaking of which, Thanix cannons shoot a superheated stream of liquid metal at a fraction of light speed. How did they put that into a missile? I was going to bring that up but figured it was better to just leave it alone. Maybe it's like how there's a pistol called the Sidewinder and also a missile called that.
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Burning Mustache posted:EDIT: /\/\/\ Yeah, that, too; I don't remember the various dialogues with Javik that well but I'd still say it's a pretty blatant retcon rather than covering their bases. I thought Javik pretty much says that the statues are the Insunnumon as Illos is a secret base they made from the ruins of a previous civilization.
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Obviously the Thanix missile flies up to the target, stops in midair (Mass Effect fields), unfurls a cannon, blasts a thanix projectile (Mass Effect fields) and then explodes (Mass Effect fields). I didn't think Earth was that bad (though some of the battles got tedious), but I thought it was the prelude to storming the Citadel and fighting up one of the arms like you did in ME1. When it suddenly ended I was like, "That's it?"
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Mr.Unique-Name posted:Eve x Padok makes more sense. If you don't romance anyone in ME2 or stick with Liara, Mordin's Love Line dialogue is him actually letting you down easily because he thinks you're into him (this was with my FemShep). If you ask him about it, he goes on and on about how and why each species finds him irresistible - even mentions that some Krogan have a Salarian fetish because of their 'flexibility'. EDIT: Wait, do you people really not understand how the principles of the Thanix cannon could be used in a missile? I mean, the Thanix cannon basically results in the same thing as a shaped charge. Cthulu Carl fucked around with this message at Apr 13, 2012 around 22:14 |
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JackMackerel posted:Huh, interesting. Thanks (I do mean it. The more you know, etc.). Out of curiosity, I looked up both sequences again. ME1: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ou0FId3FpoM ME2: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=diYkcPYbJyI In fact, ME2's scene isn't even all that much different except for a single scene that clearly shows a Collector, or a Collector-like Prothean. Oddly enough you can still see the Cthulhu-like Protheans as well. In my hazy memory I thought they had replaced those entirely with the Collector-like phenotypes. I guess this works with the "Protheans is a common name for different species living under that empire" angle Javik gives, but it still feels a bit ham-fisted because it's quite clear that they just gave the Collectors a significantly different and unique design and then wanted to force that design on the Protheans retroactively. EDIT: Nelson Mandingo posted:I thought Javik pretty much says that the statues are the Insunnumon as Illos is a secret base they made from the ruins of a previous civilization. Yeah I guess that works, but my point (see this post) still stands I think 
Burning Mustache fucked around with this message at Apr 13, 2012 around 22:15 |
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That Rough Beast posted:Obviously the Thanix missile flies up to the target, stops in midair (Mass Effect fields), unfurls a cannon, blasts a thanix projectile (Mass Effect fields) and then explodes (Mass Effect fields). I'm imagining the cannon unrolling like a butterfly proboscis and it makes me happy.
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Mr.Unique-Name posted:Eve x Padok makes more sense. In the interest of science, how do Krogan and Salarian cross-breed? edit: Thanks again, Mustache. It does replace one scene, at least. JackMackerel fucked around with this message at Apr 13, 2012 around 22:21 |
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Mayor Dave posted:A few pages back, but this post highlighted my biggest problem with the Arrival DLC - why wasn't the Alpha Relay in dark space where the reapers were chilling? You'd think that access to every relay in the galaxy would be something cool to have without having to take the slow pony home from the void. Wasnt Sovereign trying to warp them all there in ME1? If thats their normal transportation method, then perhaps they had no need for a relay.
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JackMackerel posted:In the interest of science, how do Krogan and Salarian cross-breed? 
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Cthulu Carl posted:If you don't romance anyone in ME2 or stick with Liara, Mordin's Love Line dialogue is him actually letting you down easily because he thinks you're into him (this was with my FemShep). He says this for male Shepard as well. Bombadilillo posted:Wasnt Sovereign trying to warp them all there in ME1? If thats their normal transportation method, then perhaps they had no need for a relay. Sovereign was trying to undo the Prothean's tampering and manually open the Citadel's relay. dkj fucked around with this message at Apr 13, 2012 around 22:22 |
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Cthulu Carl posted:
God, I love his faces.
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Cthulu Carl posted:EDIT: Wait, do you people really not understand how the principles of the Thanix cannon could be used in a missile? What? The Thanix cannon is essentially a rail gun with a liquid ammo store (that is solidified when fired). Thank you, datapad app, for letting me look at the codex at work!
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Cthulu Carl posted:
What? They applied the priciples of the shaped charge to a missile by imitating a pseudo-beam weapon?
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dkj posted:He says this for male Shepard as well. I think that conversation is why I don't take his ME3 discussion with Joker on safe robo-sex as evidence that Joker and EDI are loving. Mordin and Padok are just perverts. Hilarious, awesome perverts.
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dkj posted:He says this for male Shepard as well. Ok, cool. Wait, how would that let the Reapers in without a relay on their end? Unless they have a Citadel on their Dark Space end, that became useless without the regular one. In which case, it makes sense that they wouldnt have a regular relay around.
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Mr.Unique-Name posted:What? The Thanix cannon is essentially a rail gun with a liquid ammo store (that is solidified when fired). You forgot the part that mentions that the Thanix is small enough to fit on fighters. So it's not out of the question that it could be used as a missile warhead. Superstring posted:What? They applied the priciples of the shaped charge to a missile by imitating a pseudo-beam weapon? Since a shaped charge basically does the same thing (albeit slower and with different materials)? Yes. wikipedia posted:Contrary to a widespread misconception, the shaped charge does not depend in any way on heating or melting for its effectiveness, that is, the jet from a shaped charge does not melt its way through armor, as its effect is purely kinetic in nature. Cthulu Carl fucked around with this message at Apr 13, 2012 around 22:33 |
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Superstring posted:What? They applied the priciples of the shaped charge to a missile by imitating a pseudo-beam weapon? LOL, hey well, if the big baddies can lose the keys to their hot rod relay network, forcing them to walk, anything seems possible.
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Bombadilillo posted:Ok, cool. Wait, how would that let the Reapers in without a relay on their end? Unless they have a Citadel on their Dark Space end, that became useless without the regular one. In which case, it makes sense that they wouldnt have a regular relay around. They do, but the one in dark space and the Citadel are way stronger than the normal ones. I don't know what the hell is going on with Arrival and the 'alpha' relay though.
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Cthulu Carl posted:You forgot the part that mentions that the Thanix is small enough to fit on fighters. So... They stuck a gun on the front of their missile? I feel like a Xibit macro should go here or something.
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Cthulu Carl posted:You forgot the part that mentions that the Thanix is small enough to fit on fighters. The size isnt the issue. Its like mounting a powerful laser on a missile and fly it in to shoot point blank then explode. You can do it. But its not a good use. It guess you end up using it in the game a lot closer then its intended to, so it makes sense to have a fast mobile delivery unit. Its just a bit odd.
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dkj posted:They do, but the one in dark space and the Citadel are way stronger than the normal ones. I thought that was just the first relay the reapers happened to pass by on their trek into the galaxy(and thus getting instant travel to anywhere in the galaxy). So you destroy it forcing them to spend X amount of time hitting the next closest relay. But I could be wrong.
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dkj posted:They do, but the one in dark space and the Citadel are way stronger than the normal ones. The whole "Alpha Relay" thing made very little sense to me. Edit: Eh, nevermind. If that were possible, they could've gone down that road with the Collectors. Lycus fucked around with this message at Apr 13, 2012 around 22:41 |
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So... Are Javelins and Hellfires and RPG and TOWs and LAWs dumb too because "LOL, you're just putting a gun on a missile!" (Because that's basically what a shaped charge is) Munitions  ITT
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Bombadilillo posted:I thought that was just the first relay the reapers happened to pass by on their trek into the galaxy(and thus getting instant travel to anywhere in the galaxy). So you destroy it forcing them to spend X amount of time hitting the next closest relay. The Citadel is supposed to be where they arrive. It would make sense to have back-up plans, but I don't think its ever said.
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For all we know Thanix could be some sort of turian defense contractor, and these missiles simply have small tactical sized nuclear warheads or something. EDIT: Regarding Reaper strength, the Codex states pretty clearly that a single cruiser or a bunch of fighters can take out a destroyer reaper (the ones you see on Tuchanka and Rannoch), and that four dreadnoughts can take down a big Reaper. Of course the Citadel races have no more than 50-70 dreadnoughts total, and the Reapers have at least hundreds of the capital ships.
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Cthulu Carl posted:So... Are Javelins and Hellfires and RPG and TOWs and LAWs dumb too because "LOL, you're just putting a gun on a missile!" I believe you may be thinking about this wrong. We're talking about rail guns. The shaped charges you're talking about are (kind of) close to essentially making the missile like a big rear end bullet casing. They're completely different animals. Also the missiles are recognizably smaller than fighters.
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JackMackerel posted:Still better than Kaidan awkwardly hitting on my Femshep (who romanced Liara). He does the same thing to manshep.
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Bombadilillo posted:Wasnt Sovereign trying to warp them all there in ME1? If thats their normal transportation method, then perhaps they had no need for a relay. In ME1 they make it clear that the reapers have a relay in dark space that links to the Citadel. My question is why that relay in dark space wasn't built to match the Alpha relay, which would let the Reapers invade through the relay in the Serpent Nebula and take the Citadel by surprise even without control of the Citadel. So, basically, why are functionally immortal beings incapable of planning for the future?
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Mayor Dave posted:In ME1 they make it clear that the reapers have a relay in dark space that links to the Citadel. My question is why that relay in dark space wasn't built to match the Alpha relay, which would let the Reapers invade through the relay in the Serpent Nebula and take the Citadel by surprise even without control of the Citadel. They are super arrogant.
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Met Kai Leng. So the big bad-rear end cerberus assassin got his rear end kicked by a terminally ill drell, and this person is supposed to my antagonist?
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ZuljinRaynor posted:I got both these packs for these reasons.
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Alteisen posted:Met Kai Leng. He's in the game for like 10 minutes and his demise is extremely satisfying. Just be sure to take the renegade interrupt when the time comes
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Alteisen posted:Met Kai Leng. I think that this is as good an excuse as any to repost these:    E:Kai Len peeing in vase: 
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Mr.Unique-Name posted:I believe you may be thinking about this wrong. We're talking about rail guns. The shaped charges you're talking about are (kind of) close to essentially making the missile like a big rear end bullet casing. They're completely different animals. I'm just saying the way the gun operates (Hunk of poo poo, accelerate it super-fast with magnets and ME fields) could be adapted into a warhead. It might not accelerate as fast as the gun, so it might not have the same range, but that doesn't matter, the missile should go off at point-blank range. I mean, it makes sense to want your missiles' warheads to be able to penetrate Reaper armor, might as well try to adapt the principles that were learned from making the gun to that! quote:Also the missiles are recognizably smaller than fighters. Fighters also have to accommodate the pilot, life support, maybe a mass effect core for FTL, other weapons systems, etc. etc. So yes, a missile that's just a chemical rocket, guidance, and Thanix warhead would be smaller. And it's still a pretty big missile compared to the Mako its on. dkj posted:They are super arrogant. They also might not have planned for contingencies simply because "why bother? This has always worked and if it doesn't, well, we're pretty much immortal - we got time to figure something else out." So, arrogance AND a little laziness.
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Adrastus posted:I think that this is as good an excuse as any to repost these: Oh god the English major in me wants to correct these pages so badly. And still waiting on Eve x Mordin fic. Has to be Mordin. I want him to serenade Eve with his glorious singing voice.
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"Had to be me. Someone else might have gotten it wrong." "Oh Mordin~" Also, quite aside from how stupid Kai Leng is, that book's writing really is atrocious.
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I know I'm repeating myself, but Bioware could save themselves a lot of grief with one word: expansion. The writing issues of ME3 are deep and nearly impossible to excise through any amount clarification. What they should do is present us one Broken Steel or DAO Awakening-esque (well, better than that, but still) block of gameplay that allows them to fit in some of the ideas that were cut for time and give they player the climax they've been wanting. If it's good, then we'd forget all about the abysmal endings and tout ME3 as an amazing experience. One project is all it'd take to repair their battered reputations and put this scandal behind them. I know they're probably not going to do it, but that would do far better than any piss-poor handwaving away of the ending's issues that they could pump out by this summer.
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I was looking to avoid some real work and thanks you you guys I did these instead. Internet, look what you made me do. >:[      
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OatmealRaisin posted:Garrus goes on to star in the spinoff game Crazy Mako. Ride around the Citadel ferrying survivors of the war and running down the last of the Reaper forces! Featuring the hit single "All I Want" by The Offspring. And then the spinoff series. Garrus's dad gets killed on the Citadel, and he returns to find out what happened, and ends up creating a new task force with Bailey as his partner. Citadel Five-0
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