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Nitrousoxide posted:So why did the two crewmembers I had in my party in the last mission end up on the Normandy. And why the gently caress was it going through a mass relay Weren't they just fighting reapers in orbit? Whoever you interact with the most is shown in the end cutscene. Unfortunately for Bioware people tend TO PICK THE SAME PEOPLE BECAUSE THEY LIKE THEM OH MY GOD HOW COULD YOU FORGET THIS! Which means is 99% of everyone will see their party members on the Normandy at the end because Bioware hosed up the ending hardcore. No epic show down with Harbinger, no conclusion to the story, no resolution to the personal stories, loving jack poo poo. I could forgive all that if it didn't have Shepard going against the entire rest of the game and bending over backwards because little poo poo computer AI says so. gently caress that poo poo Shepard doesn't just take a knee because magic plot devices says so. Shepard goes gently caress THAT and punches swords in half! That's what pisses me off the most you spend the whole game listening to everyone go "MAN YOU CANT FIGHT THE REAPERS! YOU CANT GET THE KROGANS TO WORK WITH THE TURIANS! YOU CANT DANCE SHEPARD!" and you're response is always "gently caress that we do this MY WAY!" until the end where Shep is like "Oh ok I can't do anything you're clearly right so I will do what you say even though YOU ARE CLEARLY THE CAUSING FORCE BEHIND THE REAPERS AND LOGICALLY HAVE NO REASON TO TELL THE TRUTH AI ROBOT." All I'm saying is gently caress the ending it's balls. It's not even hard to fix it. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=PZDDC7vhdug Boom infinitely better. randombattle fucked around with this message at Mar 11, 2012 around 07:31 |
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^^^^ Sol is destroyed by the Mass Relay explosion and Earth is destroyed by the loving CITADEL EXPLODING RIGHT IN ORBIT! Jesus how could they over look these things when modeling this ending. Ugh someone needs to interview the people that sat in this meeting and said YES THIS IS THE RIGHT WAY TO END OUR EPIC TRILOGY BY EVERYONE BEING MURDERED! ImpAtom posted:No it isn't. Seriously it is loving awful and ruins the action movie feeling of the whole series. How would people like it if in Return of the Jedi the last shot is of everyone dying as the pieces of the Death Star rain down ontop of everyone at the celebration? Yeah it's realistic and makes sense but it's loving awful. Every game doesn't need some stupid moral question in it's ending. It's perfectly ok for the good guys to beat the bad guys and everything to go well.
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gently caress it this is my ending http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=JAmVVAjZZeM MY SHEPARD IS THE SHEPARD THAT WILL PIERCE THE HEAVENS!
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Slim Killington posted:So you want an ending that holds your hand like a Hollywood movie being written down so a 10-year-old can understand, I get it now. gently caress yes we do! Thank you now you understand. Every game doesn't have to be grimdark and realistic and depressing because life is depressing. Sometimes we just want to pierce the heavens with guts and determination! In fact Gurren Lagann is the perfect example of ending that Mass Effect should have had. loving balls to the wall insane rear end poo poo with the good guys beating impossible odds by being loving awesome!
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Amateur Saboteur posted:From a weeaboo perspective this kind of owns. Man Gurren Lagann is absolutely 100% Mass Effect the anime. The whole point of the bad guy's story is "We are more advanced then you and if you advance too far you put the galaxy in danger so we will stomp you out before that happens." To which the heroes go "gently caress you we are strong enough to decide life for ourselves! As long as we work towards the future with each step we can protect the galaxy!" It is absolutely the ending Mass Effect should have had. Shepard should have punched Harbinger in the face to end the battle.
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I'm calling it Gurren Lagann is Mass Effect the anime. It is shot for shot how ME3 should have ended. Man watching that ending just makes it clear how much better it would have been if Harbinger was loving yelling at Shep the whole time. Slim Killington posted:If it's easier for people to call me a troll, then call me a troll. I just know there's a difference between "THIS ENDING IS BAD THEY CANT WRITE LOL" and "I don't like it." The ending is fine, whether you can appreciate it for what it is or not. It's not a great ending, I said that. But no ending was going to be. You aren't a troll you just have horrible taste in stories and don't understand thematic consistency. It's not our fault.
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TheJoker138 posted:There is not enough fuel on earth to get everyone back to their homeworlds. There are not enough refueling stations close enough to get them back in spurts. None of it matters because when a Mass Relay is destroyed, it takes out the entire star system it's in, so earth exploded right after it cut away from everyone celebrating anyway, and all the other planets that were anywhere near a mass relay are also all gone. People are still forgetting the Citadel explodes in low orbit over Earth. That is an object the size of the moon crashing into Earth. If the Reapers didn't completely devastate Earth then the explosion does. Also Sol has no inhabitable planets beside the aforementioned destroyed Earth so everyone is double hosed. I should edit that to be thematically appropriate to ME3's ending.
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Lord Lambeth posted:Different guy actually. I think the hired some random guy outside of bioware to do the novel. I think I could accept an ending like that if it was presented in a way that made sense. For gently caress sakes Shepard is literally told minutes before that he has to do things TIM's way because there is no other way that will work and Shepard just goes gently caress YOU I'M DOING THIS MY WAY! Yet at the end Shepard has a complete turn around and bends over for some AI out of nowhere.
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Lord Lambeth posted:Never question the god child AI thing or you get the belt. My way! Don't care if it is unrealistic and not logical and isn't grimdark! I will play some Warhammer if I want grimdark sadness.
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Slim Killington posted:^^^ Yeah again, I didn't take that attitude with anyone. You're inferring a level of attitude that isn't there. That is totally what you said duder word for word. If you think the ending is defensible then make an argument for it with actual sentences and words beyond "WELL DID YOU WANT KIDDY MOVIE THE GAME?" And if your only argument is the ending solves the problem of the cycle of chaos then that isn't really a good one because it's flat out ignoring the choices you can make in the game proving that both artificial and organic life can grow to be at peace with each other with out the need for the Reapers. It just doesn't make sense to say that is the case when the Geth flat out say they attack people because they are met with hostile actions 100% of the time and EDI is practically banging Joker.
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Amateur Saboteur posted:Guys, guys remember when some of you were so upset that you fought a T-800 at the end of 2 and ranted about it? Hoo boy I bet you'd take that ending any day now. To be fair I think people were more upset that it was stupid looking not that the concept of Human-Reaper was stupid. Though it does sound kind of stupid... I would take stupid over bad any day.
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| # ¿ Mar 11, 2012 08:17 |
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SurreptitiousMuffin posted:Can we end this stupid loving insult derail? Mass Effect 3 will forever be a fantastic game full of fantastic moments that will never be talked about because of how bad the ending is.
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Amateur Saboteur posted:I don't think you realize a ton of guys play Mass Effect like Halo and couldn't give 2 fucks about the story as long as they get to shoot poo poo and motorboat alien titties so I don't think the legacy will be that diminished except by hardcore fans and goons; who mostly hate Bioware anyway. You are forgetting bros and duders love hardcore endings where the main man fucks up some bad dudes and gets all the babes. They do not like poor philosophical arguments on the merits of transhumanisim and the relationships between man and machines as spoken by a little holographic boy.
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| # ¿ Mar 11, 2012 08:29 |
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Amateur Saboteur posted:I felt strongly obligated to take him to Tuchunka to fight the fight Reaper. I'm glad he reacted to it appropriately as well something like "This will be my first taste of Reaper blood but not my last!" Yeah oddly enough he has way more to say on missions with out Reapers then ones with them. He is a loving chatterbox on some missions but shuts up if a Reaper shows up. I ended up rolling with him a lot especially if the mission had something to do with prothians.
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SurreptitiousMuffin posted:Ending aside, did anyone else find Kai Leng incredibly annoying? This is always a problem with super assassins in video games. You just can't have a super assassin be shown as super competent if he is going after the player. If he was that good then he would kill you while you are farting around a shop menu sometime. I don't see Kai Leng as that bad I think he's just your typical cocky bad guy lieutenant that thinks he's hot poo poo.
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Scionix posted:New ME3 ending So this basically? http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=JAmVVAjZZeM It's true though Gurren Lagann and Mass Effect have the exact same plot.
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Mr Fahrenheit posted:Never seen Gurren Lagann, but as much as people in the Games thread reference it to ME, I just might have to. That video is awesome. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5_WmeIwUooE This is the ending to Gurren Lagann by the way. ME fans can notice how the Anti-Spiral has the same exact point as the Reapers in that if people advance too much they put the galaxy at risk. It shows the point of ME perfectly that if you believe and fight as hard as you can you can accomplish the impossible. Only instead of rolling over like a dog the team Dai-Gurren says gently caress you and kicks reality to the curb. Also giant robots the size of galaxies.
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Coq au Nandos posted:My Shepard's LI was Miranda and she died on Sanctuary (oops - what did I do to kill her?). I like to think her death rather than Kai Leng's fuckery is what really motivated him to annihilate Cerberus. Yeah when you see her on the Citadel you warn her about Kai Leng so she doesn't get killed.
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JosefStalinator posted:How exactly could a magical beam selectively destroy organic and artificial life? On the most basic level, isn't there no real distinction between organic and artificial life other than its origin? Because That is the whole reason behind every ending in ME3. Just because.
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Slim Killington posted:^^^ She puts a tracker on him whether she bites it or not. I dunno I said I trusted her and Shepard warned her about Kai Leng. Turned out to be a good call too since the whole base was a husk factory.
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Pladdicus posted:You have to give resources to warn her? Huhn, weird. Also what if she dies, does her sister plant the bug? I don't think she actually wanted resources she wanted a team to secure base. Pretty sure it's impossible to lose resources for the war effort.
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Pladdicus posted:Well yeah, but if you don't trust her you can't somehow warn her an assassin is on the loose? I have no idea because I'm not an rear end in a top hat who doesn't trust someone who was 100% loyal to Shepard all the way through a guddamned suicide mission. 
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Codependent Poster posted:Aren't the quarians all like, half synthetic now too? They have implants to go along with their suits. So why wouldn't they die as well? If they didn't die from the red special effects then they died in the loving huge rear end Mass Relay explosion. The indoctrination thing is interesting and there is a lot of strange things that do point to it. But I don't think they had this all planned out.
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CaptainCarrot posted:For the seventh time, slamming a relay with a giant asteroid is not the same as shooting it with space magic. If they explode in exactly the same fashion then I have no reason to believe that they don't.  The deus ex machina even says it will destroy the mass relays. Not deactivate them or safely neutralize them. Destroy them. So if they are destroyed and they do the same bubblely explosion thing that the Arrival relay did then I will say that they also exploded.
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homeless snail posted:Not pictured: the post-credits scene where an old man and a small child stare up at the sky, talking about how big the universe is and all the life that lives in it. It worked in that because that old man was Simon/Shepard! He was passing the torch on to the new generation! Mass Effect 3 is bad Gurren Lagann fan fiction that didn't pay attention to the end!
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Defiance Industries posted:Legion dying hit me the hardest, I think. Holy poo poo. Yeah same here. He was my robro  Ironically out of everyone that dies Legion is the least dead since every program that made up Legion goes back to the geth collective. The geth could have redownloaded all those programs into another advanced scout and Legion would have come back.
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Corvettefisher posted:I like the fan made perfect ending I'm still gonna say this is better http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=JAmVVAjZZeM I don't even care that I've posted it a dozen times. Big Ben telling Shepard to stop the Reapers is the best.
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thepopstalinist posted:I'm tempted to invoke a Toxx bet against Bioware even acknowledging any validity in complaints about the ending but it's not even worth it. If they kept to the party line on Dragon Age 2 they'll keep to it now. So far the only comment made by anyone at Bioware has been from Michael Gamble posted:Hardest. Day. Ever. Seriously, if you people knew all the stuff we are planning...you'd, we'll - hold onto your copy of me3 forever. It's really hard to get a judge on the official response until like mid next week or more likely the week after. Don't forget the game doesn't even come out world wide till Friday.
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| # ¿ Mar 12, 2012 04:09 |
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Beanpants posted:Plus, it is literally the last ten minutes. It feels nothing like the previous 35 hours of content. I wouldn't want them to change a thing about the game up to that point, but after you go up to meet Space Ghost Jr, it goes off the rails. It's funny too because those fan endings posted are literally the same ending as in the game but recut and it is a hundred times better. It would really not be a lot of work to change the ending even to something like that. All that they need to do is admit the ending in the game isn't any good or say there are plans in the work or something. poo poo that strange as gently caress game EYE Divine Cybermancy had a secret hidden ending that no one could get for like months until a patch came out admitting it was impossible. Portal had an ending change in a patch too. It's not so far out there to say they cannot fix the ending. Besides the video game industry is about giving people what they want. Yeah Bioware could be huge assholes about it and be all stuck up about the ending but they don't gain anything from doing that. What reason do they have to NOT give the people what they want? Combine this with all the stuff about the ending being an indoctrination thing, the cryptic twitter messages about the future of ME3, the thrown together ending, I dunno it just adds up to some strange poo poo if you say that Bioware is just gonna leave it the way it is. randombattle fucked around with this message at Mar 12, 2012 around 04:15 |
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Slim Killington posted:I have a hard time personally accepting that fans can complain about something and expect it to be changed. poo poo, now I feel compelled to go internet-militia against every book, movie, and game I've ever had issues with and DEMAND that it be changed because I was personally unsatisfied with the ending. Things come to an end, and whether you like them or not, this whole "it should be changed because we say so" is the most spoiled behavior I've ever seen. People have been complaining this whole serious about the lack of same sex couples and Female Shepard being represented and they went ahead and addressed all that in ME3. Why is it incomprehensible for them to address the ending? It's not even disliked by some people it is flat out rejected by a vast majority of the community.
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See I say why SHOULDN'T someone try to improve their work if everyone hates it? Video games are not movies and books. Video games have the unique advantage of being able to be improved on and consistently refined. You have to give players what they want because the video game industry relies on people having positive experiences from your games. If you don't deliver people don't say good things about your games. People seem to underestimate that people have very different expectations in video games then they do in books and movies. People simply don't want lovely endings in video games because when you stare at the box and remember that lovely moment it makes you not want to play it. StealthArcher posted:I'm going to basically leave my thoughts as thus: So this? http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=JAmVVAjZZeM And I agree that should be the super ending. randombattle fucked around with this message at Mar 12, 2012 around 04:34 |
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TheJoker138 posted:That anime ending keeps getting posted because it's funny, not because people actually want it to be like that, so you're being obtuse here, intentionally or otherwise. Hey now.. I totally want the ending to be like that. Though I'm not picky I would take any one of the other better endings proposed by anyone. I just find it funny that the simple mention of anything anime drives this guy into a fury. I mean I don't like Sex in the City so clearly I hate every western tv show ever. And for the record I will keep bringing up Gurren Lagann because it is the same drat plot exactly as Mass Effect and whether you like it not doesn't matter. If you find it lovely then fine a lovely anime with galaxy sized robots throwing big bangs at each other had a better understanding of the plot. If you like then rock on it's loving bad rear end and you understand why Shepard should do the impossible. Right down to the old man scene at the end. Only in Gurren Lagann it made sense because it was the main character telling a young kid to never give up on reaching for the stars because that's what happy endings are about.
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Amateur Saboteur posted:Just remember you'll Why was this not in the credit roll!
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Your Rain posted:that's retard. because you believed the game fall into a category and it didn't have an ending with the tone and appeal of that type of game, it's a "thematic suicide" and "misguided". In nowhere I felt the game was "pulpy" What? No way Mass Effect is absolutely 100% pulpy space opera. Totally comparable to Star Wars and the like.
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Dan Didio posted:Forgive me. You'll have to remind me of the bit in Star Wars where Luke committed genocide, three seperate times. Well there is the death star explosion. That's one. Shepard is only forced to do it once too in Arrival any other genocide is on your own shoulders. Plus the whole point is the ending doesn't fit in with the rest of it.
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Amateur Saboteur posted:I thought killing 300,000 batarians was mass murder, not genocide. Also that too.. I think the only genocide is Shepard killing the Geth or Quarians but that's only if you aren't good enough to talk them both down by calling them out on being stupid. Krogan don't count because they would maintain population levels if left alone. I guess you could call the Reapers genocide but dude they are evil bad dudes with no faces and bad guys with out faces never count.
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Slim Killington posted:I skipped over you because I don't think it's fair to consolidate my entire response to you into a single sentence, which I've already said twice now: that kind of ending takes the struggle of this entire thing and makes it a complete joke. I've said this three times now, in so many words each time. You, and everyone else, are taking things entirely too personally. I do think it's immature to want that kind of ending in this case, a three-year-long tale in which a happy ending is entirely implausible for every conceivable reason. If nothing else, it's incredibly selfish. See I just don't think this is true. Happy endings are not made for children. Every adult story does not end with death and destruction and people committing suicide because of how depressed they are. It's perfectly fine to have a happy ending and not be a kiddy show. I mean by that logic Inception is written for little kids because the main characters are happy at the end. That's just ridiculous to say and I don't think you realize how silly it sounds. Besides why should be people not have the choice to ask for a different ending? People hated the Mako in ME1 but Bioware didn't go "WELL gently caress YOU IT'S AN ARTISTIC CHOICE TO BE LIKE THAT!" they thought about it and held it off for optional dlc because people said they didn't like it. Clearly Bioware isn't flat out opposed to the idea since the moderators on the Bioware forums aren't closing those topics and the people on twitter aren't saying anything yet. People have just as much right to say they want a different ending as you do to say that the ending is fine.
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QUEEN CAUCUS posted:Slim Killington you are coming across as a major rear end in a top hat who has a scarf collection, I would like you to know. Yeah but come on the galaxy is absolutely loving huge. Plus you know Krogans can also not have babies. I mean they don't automatically just have babies in the middle of the night. There is no reason to say Krogan can never self enforce a population cap with out resorting to chemical warfare.
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Oxxidation posted:Husks are shock troops with all the intelligence and integrity of windup toys, but they're the lowest tier of Reaper ground soldiers. Cannibals are soldiers with a modicum of intelligence who grow more powerful by eating their dead and Marauders are tactically-minded buffers, and they accompany any Husks in droves. Then you throw in Ravagers, Brutes, and Banshees, and things get a little hairy. Also I don't think the in game fights really show off how many Husks there are supposed to be. In that one prerendered trailer it shows Shepard on Earth fighting like a hundred Husks trying to swarm him.
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WarLocke posted:Actually, since the move away from cartridges games have typically been around $50 until recently. I think it was Call of Duty or something that was the first big tentpole game priced at $60 just loving because, and enough people paid it that prices have begun inching up. Now you pay $60 for a game and another $10 or whatever for "day-one DLC". Nice. Shaq-Fu was 80 dollars at launch. Shaq-fu. EIGHTY DOLLARS. People now a days have no understanding of costly games. Like every game was 70-90 dollars back in the snes-n64 era. Imagine paying 90 dollars for Quest64. I will gladly take 60 dollar games and optional dlc over that poo poo any day.
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