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I get the feeling that Bioware isn't going to retcon the ending -- they'll probably shove the criticisms aside with "You just don't get it!" or "No, it's okay, we'll totally explain this (in our upcoming Mass Effect spin-off)." Between this and the entirety of Dragon Age 2, I really have no faith in the company. If, somehow, they change the ending into something good, I will gladly eat my words, but I don't see it happening.
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| # ¿ Mar 13, 2012 04:25 |
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| # ¿ May 25, 2013 11:06 |
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So has there been any word from Bioware as of late? Are they still going with that teasing "keep your saves" stuff, or have they clammed up?
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| # ¿ Mar 16, 2012 20:55 |
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If anything, I'm glad I could witness the mother of all trainwrecks the ending has caused.
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| # ¿ Mar 17, 2012 01:05 |
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afflictionwisp posted:well, this is slightly more hopeful I also like how Hudson classifies nearly 50K users as "some."
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| # ¿ Mar 17, 2012 04:44 |
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DiscipleoftheClaw posted:Does the precedent being set by this worry anyone else, a little? It will be really annoying if every RPG that comes out needs to release DLC to appease the ~true fans~ who complain enough.
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| # ¿ Mar 18, 2012 02:24 |
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Man, even if Bioware decided to redo the ending, who's to say they won't screw that up? I have no confidence in them right now.
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| # ¿ Mar 18, 2012 05:32 |
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So I guess the best ways to change the ending would be to: 1. Get rid of Starchild completely -- it's stupid and gives way too much info about the Reapers' motivations. 2. Put in an ending where Shepard survives and everyone's happy, put in a downer ending, etc. That is, actual multiple endings, not just changing the color of explosions. 3. Make Harbinger more of the central villain -- possible boss fight? It's built up as the oldest and most powerful Reaper, so it would make sense to have it be the final enemy. As it is, Harbinger may as well not exist. 4. Have the War Assets actually mean something. 5. In general, have the ending fit thematically with the rest of the franchise. 6. Epilogue telling the player what happened to the other characters. Anything I missed?
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| # ¿ Mar 21, 2012 01:38 |
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Ambiguatron posted:He holds your hand. He literally holds your hand. He tells you that you have more hope than you know.
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| # ¿ Mar 21, 2012 01:41 |
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Maybe I'm being extremely cynical, but I'm guessing any ending DLC will just put in some cut content (like the questioning the Starchild) and maybe some text saying that everything was okay because (insert stupid reason here). It will fundamentally remain unchanged. Which would be a very stupid move by Bioware, but hey, they seem to have missed the crux of the argument thus far, so it wouldn't be surprising.
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| # ¿ Mar 21, 2012 20:47 |
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UnknownMercenary posted:What if Bioware torpedoed their own franchise so it wouldn't become a yearly "churn out lots of games for the publisher" type of zombie?
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| # ¿ Mar 24, 2012 05:02 |
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All this speculation is giving me a headache. I can't wait for April, as it could mean we'll get some actual answers.
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| # ¿ Mar 25, 2012 00:38 |
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Milky Moor posted:That's pretty much exactly what people wanted and would have been happy with. Really, how did Bioware miss that?
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| # ¿ Mar 25, 2012 22:51 |
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My god, they're going to make this worse, aren't they. They're going to either ignore the complaints completely or rush out a half-assed conclusion that makes everything all happy and stupid, even though being downbeat is the least of the ending's problems. And they're going to be  about it the entire time.
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| # ¿ Mar 29, 2012 23:37 |
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Petey Golfsystem posted:God drat.
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| # ¿ Apr 3, 2012 20:31 |
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Welp, read the announcement, gently caress Bioware, not buying any DLC or further games unless they're spectacular. I'll probably watch the extended cut on Youtube or something, because I have no interest in replaying the game. I'm staggered by how badly they hosed this up. I hope they get torn apart at PAX.
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| # ¿ Apr 5, 2012 17:14 |
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Avocados posted:I'm excited to see how the DLC will turn out. The ending wasn't the best but it'll be interesting to see the aftermath of the galaxy. I'm curious to see how all my stranded races turned out. I'll still be buying Bioware games in the future, I just hope they learned from the whole debacle that resulted. They're not changing the ending, the galaxy is in shambles, the end. And they won't learn anything if you keep giving them money.
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| # ¿ Apr 5, 2012 17:18 |
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Servicio en Espanol posted:What else is there to talk about? Dragon Age 3, I guess, but I don't think anyone cares.
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| # ¿ Apr 5, 2012 21:53 |
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Putin It In Mah rear end posted:You are a small but vocal minority that won't shut the gently caress up about how Bioware owes you a better ending due to some unspoken contract. Why do people keep saying this? Most of the opinions I've read ITT say Bioware should change the ending because it's good business sense, not because they "owe" the fans.
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| # ¿ Apr 6, 2012 01:25 |
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Putin It In Mah rear end posted:This is classic terrorist negotiation at this point. 
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| # ¿ Apr 6, 2012 01:37 |
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Ugh, can't the panel start early or something, this thread is getting awful.
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| # ¿ Apr 6, 2012 17:14 |
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And Bioware continues to cling to a sinking ship.
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| # ¿ Apr 6, 2012 23:03 |
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Aristobulus posted:All my hope and faith for the ending lies in the writers. I seriously do not believe that they don't see the flaws in the original ending, and they don't know what fans want and how to fix it and such. It's a vicious cycle. When this whole thing started people said, "Well, maybe Bioware will release the real ending in DLC!" Then when it was revealed this was the actual, planned ending, people said, "Well, there's a big outrage over this. Surely Bioware will listen to the fans!" Now that Bioware has released a statement saying they wouldn't change anything because of "artistic integrity" and would only "clarify" certain things, people are saying, "Well, maybe the writers will manage to salvage this!" I would doubt Bioware if it told me the sky was blue. I certainly don't think they'll salvage this thing and make a satisfying, coherent ending.
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| # ¿ Apr 7, 2012 02:30 |
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I want to echo the sentiment that this PR disaster has been far more entertaining than the actual game. This is really one of those infamous moments in gaming history, like when Steve Perry offered money to people who name their baby "Turok" or the development cycle of Duke Nukem Forever. I'm so glad I could witness it while it happens. 
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| # ¿ Apr 9, 2012 04:48 |
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Mass Effect 3 Spoiler Thread: Red text phantom strikes again
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| # ¿ Apr 11, 2012 00:26 |
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Grey Fox V2 posted:You mean like how they originally designed interrupts to be? If anyone is interested in what Mass Effect looked like in development and how far it's come this video is a great watch. Man, Shepard was one weird-looking dude.
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| # ¿ Apr 11, 2012 00:56 |
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commy gun posted:Lets start sharing how we'll get back at bioware in our own petty way. I will poo poo in a pair of boxes and send one each to Casey Hudson and Mac Walters.
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| # ¿ Apr 13, 2012 01:43 |
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Putin It In Mah rear end posted:Welp your cover is blown Lt. Danger. You almost got away with your little scheme to derail this thread's circle jerk but their resolve just proved too great to be taken in by your parlor tricks like "perspective" and "healthy [dis]investment from the fiction you consume". This is standard terrorist negotiation! I just love it when people waltz in and say, "Heh, look at these NEEEEERDS gettin' all upset in their circle jerk of rage. Unlike me, a Serious Person who should be taken seriously."
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| # ¿ Apr 16, 2012 17:07 |
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Phylodox posted:Oh, wow, I leave this thread for a little bit and there are three hundred posts! I'll bet something really interesting has happ- Never change, Phylodox. Never change.
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| # ¿ Apr 18, 2012 03:34 |
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If I had a dollar for every use of the word "sperg" and its variations ITT, I'd be a fuckin millionaire.
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| # ¿ Apr 20, 2012 01:33 |
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I just wanted to surf a gigantic missile into Harbinger's face. Was that so much to ask?
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| # ¿ May 1, 2012 22:58 |
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The more I think about it, the more it feels like Bioware just wanted to slap the game together and be done with it. With the exception of Tuchanka and perhaps Rannoch, everything feels a bit hollow. Maybe it's just me, but this game killed any interest I had in the franchise. And why is Mac Walters being allowed anywhere near the DLC?
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| # ¿ May 3, 2012 19:52 |
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Elotana posted:That's the Associate Producer So does Bioware employ only thin-skinned whiners?
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| # ¿ May 4, 2012 03:30 |
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The title of "video game reviewer" needs to be changed to "gaming prostitute."
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| # ¿ May 6, 2012 17:42 |
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Megaman's Jockstrap posted:Also I don't know about all the people reading this thread but this whole thing has completely destroyed what little respect I had for the "Gaming Review Industry". I mean I knew that they weren't very good in a sort of general way, but the whole incident really spotlighted how loving ignorant a lot of them are. I was overwhelmed by the number of times a "game critic" was hoodwinked by discredited arguments or really lazy, poor, thoughtless analysis. I don't know, all this time I thought that these guys had some sort of Ur-Knowledge they were tapping into; some sort of liberal arts background/breadth of experience that I didn't have. Nope, it turns out they are all a bunch of dopes. Sobering and enlightening. Yeah, same for me. I knew before that gaming journalism was poor, but I didn't know that it applied to the entire industry -- I thought many game reviewers were more or less on the ball, but it turns out they weren't.
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| # ¿ May 8, 2012 19:30 |
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Mahuum Aqoha posted:My favorite part about Aria in ME2 was that every time either her or Shepard spoke, one of them would get up, walk a bit, sit back down, cross a leg, etc. It kind of looked like two people on crack talking to each other. This, but with Liara. She stood up and then sat down roughly five times in a single conversation. It looked unnatural as hell.
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| # ¿ May 15, 2012 05:37 |
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Man, I cannot believe I forced myself to play this again, just to see if the ending was as bad as I remembered. Yeah, it was. Funny thing, there's a lot of things wrong with the game before that, but I was willing to overlook almost all of them. EDI's sexbot body? Fine. Joker being awful and having bulging eyes? Fine. Kai Leng? Fine. TIM becoming Saren 2.0? Fine. Legion's personality suddenly changing between games? Fine. Your old squad being reduced to cameos? Fine. The weird bugs and glitches? Fine. Pointless fetch quests? Fine. Harbinger becoming a footnote? Eh, okay. No krogan shipmate? That's a deal breaker. But goddamn, that ending. The first time I saw it I was slackjawed at the sheer laziness and shittiness of it. The second time? Same reaction. gently caress, it's terrible. I don't know how I would begin to fix it. Sure, getting rid of the kid with his stupid face and bad voice acting is a good start, but where do you go from there? Honestly, there's a fair amount of the game that needs to be rewritten. A good move, as some have mentioned, would've been to add another installment entirely, maybe have one game focus on Cerberus and the other on the Reaper invasion. As it is, Cerberus is shoved into the background and TIM is reduced to a mustache-twirling psychopath that doesn't really do anything except shake his fist and yell "SHEPARD!" Another idea is to hold off on the invasion for a while -- give the player a chance to feel the tension and false sense of security present in galactic society. Start with isolated colonies being wiped out, then, at some point -- BOOM! -- the big push on the homeworlds. As it is, there's no sense of urgency. Sure, millions of people are dying every day, but I have to retrieve the Sacred Dingus of Xqwystlp! There are a lot of other things that need fixing, but I'm too tired and frustrated to list them all.
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| # ¿ May 19, 2012 03:07 |
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I have no idea what they were going for with the Reapers -- in the first two games, they're these super-advanced AIs that see themselves as the pinnacle of evolution and all organic life as weak, stupid, and fodder for harvesting or destroying. You see this through the conversations with Sovereign and Harbinger: they don't care what you say, you're an insect to be crushed. They're powerful, incomprehensible, and evil. Then in ME3 they turn into generic monsters that go HOOOOONNNKK and secretly save organic life through galactic genocide. What the gently caress. ^^^Yeah, it's making me angry again too. e: It's obvious Synthesis was intended to be the "best" ending, because That loving Kid rambles about how it's the final evolution of life, the cycle will end, blah de blah. Doesn't matter that it makes no sense, it's the best! rudecyrus fucked around with this message at May 19, 2012 around 04:16 |
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4000 Dollar Suit posted:So I just finished Arrival, when the relays blow up at the end of ME3, wouldn't they wipe out their respective systems like it did that Batarian system? I think one of the writers said this is a totally different type of explosion that does not destroy star systems. Of course, that isn't remotely hinted at in the game, so it's natural to think you just destroyed half the galaxy.
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| # ¿ May 20, 2012 19:57 |
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God drat.  Christ, there's a lot of missed potential in this game.
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| # ¿ May 23, 2012 03:46 |
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| # ¿ May 25, 2013 11:06 |
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You shoot the Star Child and it turns out to be Harbinger trying to manipulate you. C'mon, Bioware, it's not hard.
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